My Rifts British Isle's Idea and possible Rifter submission.

[Fyrpower]

MAYBE just let's say I decided to do some writing on the British Isles, here's how I would do it (alot of thought and research has gone into this so please tell me what you think).

I would attempt to do it 4 sections.

Southern England and Wales.
Northern England and Scotland.
Ireland.
The Otherworld (The Fae dimension).

Things I would like to incorporate (This will all be around 109 P.A.)

Southern England and Wales

The Fall of Camelot and the rise of the Atlantean colony Avalon, all documented and narrated in detail by Prycvval.

Avalon described and mapped with key people and places plus an update on the surrounding regions.

Stone Henge revealed, described as one of the gateways to The Otherworld and now a permanent Rift.

Introduction of and return of the Fae - Beings from The Otherworld, cousins of the Faerie and an introduction to the Fae Court of Seasons.

The Fae's bid to rid Rifts England of the Splurgorth from London Splynn and to liberate their faerie brethren.

The Atlantean's campaign to rid Rifts England of the Splugorth from London Splynn as their first in a long line of steps to retake Atlantis.

The twist - The Fae and the Atlanteans have known each other for centuries but don't get on. The Fae are an ancient magical race with unusual and alien laws and are more related to the seasons and nature.

London Splynn - A description of key people and places, including the current overseer Balfodar, and The Dome, a prison and holding pen for 1000s of slaves and faerie folk alike.

New monsters and demons - Such as the Faerie Eater, Acre Wraith and Barghest Demon Hounds.

New unusual and alien flora and fauna - Such as the Firespore, Frost Weed and Weeping Willow. Plus there uses for druids.

New O.C.C.s specific and unique to the British Isles. Such the Enchanter and an update and revision on the Knight O.C.C.s

New R.C.C.s including different types of Fae and their specific powers from nature and the seasons.

Updated Druid creations, weapons, items and artifacts and new ones.

The origin of the Millenium Trees.

More info to come...

[sHaka]

I'd say from the info provided that this looks very interesting

Whether Palladium would go for a Camelot write-out is open for debate but it would erase an element that many feel is rather lame.

Promising stuff!

[Fyrpower]

No destruction of Camelot necessary, just a takeover

[Prince Artemis]

I'd say from the info provided that this looks very interesting

Whether Palladium would go for a Camelot write-out is open for debate but it would erase an element that many feel is rather lame.

Promising stuff!

You haven't been listening to the pod casts have you. I have to ask "What book, other than england, would you like to re-write?" now.

[MrMom]

I agree with shaka and say go for it.

[Fyrpower]

I'd say from the info provided that this looks very interesting

Whether Palladium would go for a Camelot write-out is open for debate but it would erase an element that many feel is rather lame.

Promising stuff!

You haven't been listening to the pod casts have you. I have to ask "What book, other than england, would you like to re-write?" now.

I've been downloading every single podcast (and I have to say they give me the inspiration to do it, great shows!) and that's given me the push to actually bring all these ideas out of head and onto paper, I can relate to Kev, as said on Monday's show, I have an overactive imagination! However I wont be re-writing it, it will be an update on circumstances, so the original England book will still be valid. (With the exception of a few key NPCs if you want to play it circa 109 P.A.).

[Aramanthus]

Sounds very interesting! I'd say go for it too!

[Exiled_one]

That sounds Scarily close to some of the ideas that I was formulating for my own Personal Rifts:England Redux project. (only for my own personal campaign rather than the world at large as it pretty much removes all of the current Arthurian tripe and rebuilds from the ground up)

Would love to see an article like this

[glitterboy2098]

i rather like england as it is. England needs expansion of whats is there, not retconning metaplot.

[glitterboy2098]

i rather like england as it is. England needs expansion of whats is there, not retconning metaplot.

What retcon? he's catching England up with North America.

by destroying everything that exists and setting up new things totally different from what existed. basically one step short of retcon. the result is the same.

if he wants to expand England, don't destroy Camelot. write things to take the emphasis offcamelot play wise.expand on scotland, wales, ireland. you want atlanteans in england? odds are it won't be a city, but a secret society working to blunt Zazshan's plots. you could even tie it into the classic Arthur mythos, since Atlanteans would have been around during the time arthur ruled, and would have known about zazshan.

[Aramanthus]

I'd like to see England catch up with NA too. Camelot destroyed? I'm not crazy about that. How about Merlin exposed as the evil he is.

[glitterboy2098]

and do we have canon proof that some didn't stick around or return?

in the atlantian mythos, survivors of atlantis spread out to influence cultures all over earth. some well after atlantis vanished.

in palladium, we have examples liek the Amazons, which stuck around, plus we know the atlanteans are dimensional travellers, and that earth still played host to dimensional phenomenon, albiet at a much lower level of frequency.

it would not be too hard to suppose a small group of atlaneans setting up shop in england, where all the megaliths provide sufficent magical power from ley lines that some magic can be done.

we also know atlanteans had settled parts of earth outside atlantis. i find it unlikely that all of those settlements would decide to pick up and leave the planet once the continent sinks.

[glitterboy2098]

normally i'd agree, but last i checked, the arthurian legends were not very conductive to the inclusion of cthuloid monsters either.

[Fyrpower]

To clear things up, Camelot is NOT going to be destroyed. I've thought this out. A civil war breaks out as Prcyvval learns of the Alien Intelligence's plans after evesdropping on a discussion between Mrlynn and Guinevere to assassinate Arthruu and for Guinevere to take over the kingdom(this was forecoming anyway it was only a matter of time). Prcyvval reveals the information to Galahad to call in reinforcements from the Bagh-Dach clan but unfortunately they arrive too late to the save the king and he is outnumbered and killed in cold blood. The civil war is between Guinevere, Mrylnn, and the nexus knights plus a few notable Mrylnn supporters (I will be naming and stating some) against Arthruu's loyal knights and supporters (I will be naming and stating some) and the Bagh-Dach clan. I dont want to give too much away but the fall of Camelot is in name only, not the kingdom itself. The kingdom will retain it's true name of Avalon.

I want to focus on England and The British Isles being a dangerous and wonderous magical place and for Zazshan NOT to be the no.1 power. There are going to be far more dangerous beings roaming the lands and they dont necessarily have to be evil, maybe alien and chaotic but not completely evil.

[Aramanthus]

That update sounds pretty cool1 Hopefully more people will enjoy the new changes. Thank you for the update.

[Fyrpower]

Thinking about it more, it would make more sense if I wrote an adventure sourcebook on The Civil War in Camelot as a prequel to the Rifts England 109 P.A. book. There's my starting point...

[Aramanthus]

Now that is probably the best thing to do. That way the people can take their campaign any way they chose too.

[glitterboy2098]

To clear things up, Camelot is NOT going to be destroyed. I've thought this out. A civil war breaks out as Prcyvval learns of the Alien Intelligence's plans after evesdropping on a discussion between Mrlynn and Guinevere to assassinate Arthruu and for Guinevere to take over the kingdom(this was forecoming anyway it was only a matter of time). Prcyvval reveals the information to Galahad to call in reinforcements from the Bagh-Dach clan but unfortunately they arrive too late to the save the king and he is outnumbered and killed in cold blood. The civil war is between Guinevere, Mrylnn, and the nexus knights plus a few notable Mrylnn supporters (I will be naming and stating some) against Arthruu's loyal knights and supporters (I will be naming and stating some) and the Bagh-Dach clan.

right. because starting a civil war, killing the king, and removing the YAAI as a major force isn't the same as destroying everything and starting over...

I dont want to give too much away but the fall of Camelot is in name only, not the kingdom itself. The kingdom will retain it's true name of Avalon.

uh, Avalon and Camelot are totally unrelated bits of the mythos. Avalon was the island where arthur was brought to heal after the final battle. Camelot was the castle/city arthur ruled. two totally different locations.

I want to focus on England and The British Isles being a dangerous and wonderous magical place and for Zazshan NOT to be the no.1 power. There are going to be far more dangerous beings roaming the lands and they dont necessarily have to be evil, maybe alien and chaotic but not completely evil.

Zazshan isn't the main power. right now Camelot is only a major power because noone has written competitors for it. toss in some rival kingdoms in england or scotland and you remove a lot of camelot's problems.


you've got some great ideas, but it smacks too much of the Seige of Tolkien" type metaplot. the outcome is predestined, which means the players can't influence it. plus, had Seimbeida had something liek this in his vision of rifts, "England 2" would already have been out with something like it.

[Fyrpower]

right. because starting a civil war, killing the king, and removing the YAAI as a major force isn't the same as destroying everything and starting over...

Thanks for your comments. No it's not, I'm not completely razing the city to the ground, it's completely different. I'm still keeping the NPCs from the main book, I have plans for them. I'm moving the story along and making things a bit more interesting. The king was doomed to fail, heck look at the arthurian mythology. I want a (playable) dark, opportunistic, progressive storyline that's not written like the Shrek movies (which is how I see England at the moment)

uh, Avalon and Camelot are totally unrelated bits of the mythos. Avalon was the island where arthur was brought to heal after the final battle. Camelot was the castle/city arthur ruled. two totally different locations.

Yes, I had researched that but I decided against keeping the name Camelot simply because:
A. The Atlanteans knew of Camelot and Avalon in the past, Camelot was a tainted name given by Mrlynn before you start and Avalon was recognised as a place of healing, something which never really dies.
B. is symoblic in the fact that Arthuruu never really died and that his leadership and thoughts live on with the people and the city.
C.It's a silly idea, that a 1000M.D.C. alien intelligence avatar named Guinevere is sleeping with a king with psionic powers. Plus not to mention all the nexus knights walking around (I have plans for them in my ideas cause they have potentional, as does Mrlynn).

Sorry but the repeating the Camelot idea for someone who is British makes me cringe(alot), 9 out of 10 gamers could voudge for me.

There really is no need to be pedantic, it's just being childish simply because you can't really think of anything else better to come out with, I dont call that constructive criticism.

Zazshan isn't the main power. right now Camelot is only a major power because noone has written competitors for it. toss in some rival kingdoms in england or scotland and you remove a lot of camelot's problems.

Again thanks for your comments. I If I it will ruin my structure and plot not to mention the logic and consistancy, otherwise The Fae, will start with Camelot (it's closer than Splynn and could be wiped out easily by these guys). As one of the Fae's powers is too see through illusions and forms of disguise to what the beings truly are, Alien Intelligences dont hold well with the Fae (alot worse than the Atlanteans which is more of a clash of personalities) since one of them is enslaving Faerie Folk to use as weapons. For Scotland I have left Bres as a power plus I have ideas for remnants of the SAS, I have other plans for that. The Fae's main power hold is in Ireland, where most of the Rifts/Nexus gateways are to the Otherworld (they can transport themselves by stone henges created by spriggans, the spriggans were preparing rifts england for the fey ). Most of the places in England are already described which I want to update and expand a bit. I want to keep it as a wilderness but more dangerous this time.

you've got some great ideas, but it smacks too much of the Seige of Tolkien" type metaplot. the outcome is predestined, which means the players can't influence it. plus, had Seimbeida had something liek this in his vision of rifts, "England 2" would already have been out with something like it.

Thank you, but I still think I have a solid storyline and bunch of ideas I can build on here plus I am creating something a bit more playable, alot less cringeworthy with more of an edge for someone to say, 'wow I'd like to play a character there' not mention opening a heck of a lot more possibilities. I'm trying to make Rifts England (my country) a book people will want to play.

Besides I've haven't even started yet and might not even have time on my hands to do this project not to mention Kev might not even like it

[glitterboy2098]

There really is no need to be pedantic, it's just being childish simply because you can't really think of anything else better to come out with, I dont call that constructive criticism.

Au Contrair

my ideas to expand england involve other english kingdoms starting a war with Camelot, D-bee raiders moving south to exploit the weakness cased by the war, a popular uprising looking to replace Arthuu with another.

all over "who is the heir to arthur's legacy", with several people claiming to be arthur's decendant, arthur reborn, ect. total chaos reigns as town protectors have to pick sides and form up the fyrd, brother fighting brother..
in the end, a tenetive peace accord is worked out, borders change, Arthuu no longer has the level of influence he once had on the islands, and tensions remain.

you see, i assume england had bit of a revival of interest in the legends of king arthur just before the cataclysm, and the tales of knights and great deeds served as a "safety blanket" during the chaos. so england developed a culture of knight-like protectors developing from the civilian protectors of the cataclysm.
Zazshan exploited and encouraged this culture, becasue it made it easier to manipulate people.

this all combines to make england a darker setting with much more possibilities for player interaction. all without inplimenting a deus ex machia of atlantians and rendering half of WB3 no longer valid.

and as for cringing, i cringe, like every other american, over the new west. palladium is an equal oppertunity offender when it comes to stuff like that. but it doesn't mean that a total rewrite is in order.

[Jefram_denkar]

I have to admit I am impressed.

So how big do you think it is going to be???

[Lucas]

hello, i very much like the idea in fact i am also doing something for rifts england dealing more with an organization that survived the fall and the reamergence of avalon as a new island south of ireland, and the return of the real king arthur and some of his new allias

[taalismn]

Sea Raiders! We want D-Bee and Human New Vikings storming out of the North Sea and making a come-back!!!
ODINSFIRE!!!!HEAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Have the Formorians suddenly having to watch their backs as a mess of new barbarian raiders come pirating along the coast!

(Actually, I'm already thinking of TW longboats and TW enhanced escort carrier-style motherships playing host tp rebuilt Scandanavian motor-torpedo boats foraying from fortress-fjords in Norway and Sweden...maybe even Greenland enclaves...)

[Aramanthus]

Some more interesting ideas. Taalismn, I'd love to see stats on those TW Viking vehicles.

[taalismn]

TW Spitfires, Typhoons, Hurricanes, Mosquitos, and Lancasters out of Farnborough/Bath....

Come on, war promotes technological advancement even as it destroys infrastructure...what would the Brits come up with with the added pressure?

[sHaka]

TW Spitfires, Typhoons, Hurricanes, Mosquitos, and Lancasters out of Farnborough/Bath....

**shudders**

[Aramanthus]

I personally loved seeing and hearing the few spitfires I've ever seen in RL. They are a very cool looking and sounding plane.