Cormal's offspring/essence fragments.

[MidnightNova]

Is it mentioned anywhere what would happen to Cormal's "offspring" (The 2 smaller demon planets) if something were to happen to Cormal?

For example:

If Cormal is (somehow) destroyed, do the juveniles die as well or become independent?

If Cormal is imprisoned-perhaps by someone decoding the book/artifact "Cormal, Destroyer of Worlds" and banishing him back to the prison dimension that the demons helped him escape from, what happens to the juveniles in this case? Do they get pulled back to the prison dimension with Cormal himself?

[Warshield73]

Is it mentioned anywhere what would happen to Cormal's "offspring" (The 2 smaller demon planets) if something were to happen to Cormal?

Yes. DB 12, pg. 95 bottom of the right column "The destruction of Cormal will cause the other two demon planets to disappear".

For example:
If Cormal is (somehow) destroyed, do the juveniles die as well or become independent?

I am under the belief that Cormal can't be really be destroyed and the resources necessary to do it would be horrific. Getting him to destroy the demon fleet by destroying the tome that allows the demons to control him and letting him rampage, killing his offspring in the process, then using the book of heroes to imprison him, which I think would turn into a new Kotus point sort of phenomenon.

If Cormal is imprisoned-perhaps by someone decoding the book/artifact "Cormal, Destroyer of Worlds" and banishing him back to the prison dimension that the demons helped him escape from, what happens to the juveniles in this case? Do they get pulled back to the prison dimension with Cormal himself?

This case is less clear. If he is imprisoned before killing his offspring it is up to the GM how to go. You can say they insta die like when you kill him. Personally my plan was always to have the connection severed and have the two babies become separate, and thus completely standard, demon planets with none of the Cormal benefits. You also have to decide if they become independent or stay under the control of the demons of Hades.

It could also be that they stay but are still of Cormal, providing a tether to this dimension that could allow him to escape, thus making there destruction a priority.

Another possibility is that they slowly fade, gradually loosing MDC, PPE, and power until the disappear. This could make them, or the demons who control them, desperate for a way to sever their link to Cornal so they can stay.

I think my question, and I have not found an answer for this, What happens to Cormal if one or both of his offspring are destroyed? Is that enough of a psychic shock to wake him from the Demons control or is it just one less planet he can create for a period of time.

[MidnightNova]

As far as what happens to Cormal if one of his offspring are destroyed, one way to handle it is treat it like a the effect on a Nightlord if one of his Avatars is destroyed. (Cormal would lose the offspring's MDC from his total, which would heal back at 1 pt per hour! Yes this would take a long time)
Another way to handle Cormal's recovery from this would be to have him need to consume a star system, but frankly the 1 pt per hour is interesting because it provides a window of vulnerability where other forces mnight think they can attack Cormal while he is weakened.

I like the idea of having the juvenile planets become independent being. As far as whether they stay loyal to the Hades demons? Well lots of campaign potential there no matter how it turns out

Interesting bit as far as Kotus Point. Would it go back to being a black hole if Cormal was imprisoned or destroyed?

[Warshield73]

As far as what happens to Cormal if one of his offspring are destroyed, one way to handle it is treat it like a the effect on a Nightlord if one of his Avatars is destroyed. (Cormal would lose the offspring's MDC from his total, which would heal back at 1 pt per hour! Yes this would take a long time)

I like this idea, I think I would extend it to PPE and ISP as well.

Another way to handle Cormal's recovery from this would be to have him need to consume a star system, but frankly the 1 pt per hour is interesting because it provides a window of vulnerability where other forces mnight think they can attack Cormal while he is weakened.

I think my problem with this is still we have no information on what the limits of a DP are. How much PPE, MDC, FTL Jumps, what are his limits if he doesn't eat a star system and what happens to him if he is stopped. Can you really starve him out?

Truthfully in my setting I ignore the DP eating stars as it makes no sense. This is a magical being that needs PPE and living organism so I limit this to just planets and moons, mainly terrestrial. What I have them do is more "star lifting" or using gravity glands to drain resources from stars. To me this matches more of the description and seems...more reasonable, if that word even applies.

The problem is it would be hard for most groups to know when Cormal is weakened. His offspring are in other galaxies and coordinating like that would be tough to coordinate an attack on both offspring to weaken Cormal or even find out that destroying one had weakened him.

I like the idea of having the juvenile planets become independent being. As far as whether they stay loyal to the Hades demons? Well lots of campaign potential there no matter how it turns out

So I found an answer, on pg.96 it says that if his offspring is left behind, they are at half their current power. It says that they too can be imprisoned and if they do Cormal will reabsorb them

Since they remain as splintered essences I like the idea that they provide a lifeline for Cormal to return with and that this could lead to a hunt for these DPs. Maybe they get destroyed to prevent his return? Maybe some evil mage severs the connection to free it and make it independent and ally of his. A controllable asset where Cormal is not.

Interesting bit as far as Kotus Point. Would it go back to being a black hole if Cormal was imprisoned or destroyed?

That I am just not sure of. We have two things that let DPs into the Anvil Galaxy:
The Harkon Rift: This is the one were people who went in never came out except a single cosmo knight who called it hell so the UWW built a defense station there. I assume this was a Rift to the dimension Cormal was locked in but for some reason he couldn't come through it. He did, however, send at least one baby DP through it so this how one got in. We have no idea how the rift was opened or why Cormal didn't come through.

Kotus point is the second and it says that the demons are the ones who changed it from a blackhole to a whitehole but no idea how or if this blackhole had to be converted or if any blackhole would do.

My working theory is that that blackhole was created as part of the process of imprisoning Cormal and so it had to be converted in order to release him. My thinking is a black hole, natural or manufactured, is required as a component of the ritual or is a biproduct of it.