drewkitty ~..~ wrote:You are arguing to generate a win, even after you have been shown to not have been correct.
I definitely misremembered some stuff, so I'll reiterate my errors as I recognize them once again:
1) my memory of Nighties (Spawn/Bane whatev) being able to sense each other while in Facade made me think they had some kind of "scent" (metaphorical) to them, but obviously it's not a "supernatural" scent but some kind of... paranormal-adjacent one that only other NB can smell? I'll need to go re-check WB4 to see how that interacted with Athanatos
2) my memory of Nighties healing at an advanced rate (AFAIK only explicitly mentioned in Dark Conversions) made me think of the Facade as unusual and durable (which it seems to be for some reason in Rifts) which somehow wrongly crossed over into "becomes MDC"
I've dropped the idea of the Facade "standard operating procedure" being supernatural.
My only question is: when you are in Morphus, activate "Splitting Image" and divide into 2 bodies (Morphus and Facade) if it's technically "pure facade" anymore.
1) you can only use Splittin Image while in Morphus
2) the facade half is presumably "using" this Talent too
3) ergo, perhaps both halves are still technically the Morphus?
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The Facade was never SN, even when the core book was still the NightSpawn Core book.
*explains the comments that had Axe stumped.*
The short of it....
McFarlane, the creator of the 'Spawn' comic books, sued PB with a copyright infringement lawsuit, even thou PB had the copyright to the name 'nightspawn'.
Even thou, PB change the name of the game to not have to spend the time and money to fight off the lawsuit.
The 1st printing of the NS core book still had editing errors where nightspawn hadn't been changed to Nightbane.
If you want more details you can ask around or do a search for the details.
I know all about the name change, I didn't really need that explained.
My Q was what you meant by your comment "debunked back before the NB core book came out"
If you mean that the prior publication which debunked this was the "NS core book" then okay: that's easy to understand.
In this case it wasn't "before the core book" as I first interpreted, but rather "the first edition of the core book before the name change".
But I'm wondering what you mean by "debunk" though.
Usually the use of 'debunk' refers to actively highlighting a misunderstanding and then answering it.
Was there a page in the core book which emphasized "Facades are not supernatural! Only the Morphus!" ?
It sounds more like the Rifter FAQ was the "debunking" (and Rifters didn't come out until after the NS>NB shift) whereas core book was just "lack of evidence but didn't dwell on the issue".
That or it's in some of the fluff I've forgotten.
The NS/NB sensing ability sounds like Facade could be supernatural so I think our idea that it isn't is probably derived from Hounds' writeup since Hounds can sense supernatural stuff but there was something about them not being able to sense the Facade. Yeah that's it, pg 162:
Nightbane in Morphus form have a powerful supernatural "signature" which the Hounds can follow in a manner similar to the way Nightbane can sense the presence of others of their kind.
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Supernatural Tracking: Can smell supernatural creatures and track them
As Hounds are "Hounds are evil, supernatural predators" they could probably track each other too, makes me wonder if eventually high numbers might cause 'scent confusion' of some sort, which might explain why packs of hounds are kept to moderate numbers?
Like maybe when they travel in packs they might spread out to cover a larger area so as to interfere less with each other's abilities.
Or maybe there's some kind of implied ability to intentionally filter out scents of other Nightlord minions when you want to focus on other SNCs?
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probably another important thing is pg 128's level one spell "Sense Nightbane" seems like it would be able to sense Facades since "works like the natural Nightbane ability to
sense others of their kind" which CAN target facades... so in theory you might outfit a Hound Master with a Talisman of that spell (prob too valuable to give to normal hounds) for situations where they lose a NB in a crowd and want to figure if they're within 200ft, if so estimate rough location within 30ft, know if there's more than one.
That's one disadvantage for counter-intelligence, because if a NB in Facade had a "Talisman of Sense Evil" that has merely a 90ft range, so they probably won't sense the Hound Master before the Hound Master senses them. On the plus side, it does last twice the time.
Sense PPE could be better w/ 120ft range but then you're down to same duration as Sense Nightbane