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kingdom then I did Bizantium. She is still a work in progress. But I have a timetable on when I
want to get it done by. Rest assured folks Palladium Fantasy is alive and well.
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Reagren Wright wrote:Wow I was hoping Kevin would keep the lid on this a little while longer.
Reagren Wright wrote:But I'm having more fun developing this
kingdom then I did Bizantium. She is still a work in progress. But I have a timetable on when I
want to get it done by. Rest assured folks Palladium Fantasy is alive and well.
Prysus wrote:Reagren Wright wrote:Wow I was hoping Kevin would keep the lid on this a little while longer.
Greetings and Salutations. I'll say I suspected this project a while ago (since about the POH2015). No one told me directly, but I heard enough that I put the pieces together.Reagren Wright wrote:But I'm having more fun developing this
kingdom then I did Bizantium. She is still a work in progress. But I have a timetable on when I
want to get it done by. Rest assured folks Palladium Fantasy is alive and well.
If you need any help tracking down references, let me know. I'll help the best that I can. Though the one who probably knows the Lopan references best is Dark Elf. Though since my initial suspicions were roused, I've been very curious to see/hear his reaction on this news (since he'd been working on a Phi-Lopan manuscript as well).
Have good fun and the best of luck. Farewell and safe journeys to all.
Veknironth wrote:Well, as exciting as a Lopan source book would be, I'd prefer a Jack Burton book first.
-Vek
"Good luck with that reference, folks. Don't Google it!"
yeah but you can bet my Lopan and Regrens won't be any where near similar to one another.Janus wrote:Palladium Fantasy is only alive and well if after you finish your work on the book Kevin gets his self in gear and gets it to the printer.
The last book was Bizantium and was a good read, but it was only one book after so many years of waiting and drooling for it to make an appearance.
I am hoping Lopan is soon as my friend has used Lopan as his world setting for years.
Hendrik wrote:Hmmm.
I am happy about every PFRPG book and it sure is time for the next one, hopefully several!
I thought Land of the Damned III would be your next book, Glenn - it really is missing and I think the book is an ideal fit for you. I really liked Byzantium and that kind of needs a complete north. Besides, I soooo want to know what is there in the west.
To be frank, though, I would have preferred Dark Elf to get a shot at Lopan and/or Phi. His Lopan adventure (and other writings) rocks and he is a gifted and passionate writer.
That said, I want to see all niches filled. There will be the glorious day when the sun will dawn on the Old Kingdom, too!
Reagren Wright wrote:Hendrik wrote:Hmmm.
I am happy about every PFRPG book and it sure is time for the next one, hopefully several!
I thought Land of the Damned III would be your next book, Glenn - it really is missing and I think the book is an ideal fit for you. I really liked Byzantium and that kind of needs a complete north. Besides, I soooo want to know what is there in the west.
To be frank, though, I would have preferred Dark Elf to get a shot at Lopan and/or Phi. His Lopan adventure (and other writings) rocks and he is a gifted and passionate writer.
That said, I want to see all niches filled. There will be the glorious day when the sun will dawn on the Old Kingdom, too!
Thanks for the love Hendrick. Unfortunately, I must say LoD3 is a Kevin project. I did submit
some ideas to Kevin about parts of the Bleakness, so we will see if he uses any of them.
However, those who played in my 2015 Open House game, you may notice that the map
Palladium sells of the LoD is an improved version of the map Will (Hot Rod) made for me for
that adventure. Kevin and I have some great ideas brewing for PF so we will see what
happens.
Reagren Wright wrote:Lopan manuscript has been completed and in the hands of Palladium for a while. Phi manuscript is
completed but not submitted as any changes that occurs in Gardens of the Gods or Lopan will
affect the completed work. So Phi cannot be submitted until those two books are completed and in
on the shelf. Rest assured. All good things happen to those who wait.
Sir Dellis wrote:While Lopan itself does not really interest me, the thought of a new PF book definitely does. If it ever gets published, I expect it to be a good book considering the source/author
Vrykolas2k wrote:I look forward to a. Book without a ton of. Sentence fragments, which. Palladium has been putting out a lot of lately.
Hotrod wrote:Vrykolas2k wrote:I look forward to a. Book without a ton of. Sentence fragments, which. Palladium has been putting out a lot of lately.
To be fair, Palladium has done that a lot over the years, to the point where it's more of their "conversational style" writing than a grammar error, per se. As long as it's done consistently and intentionally, I can give it a pass. If anything, sentence fragments have become rather stylish lately.
Text messaging and IM have pushed this change. I recently learned, for example, that when I use punctuation, even proper punctuation, in a text message, many younger recipients interpret that as frustration, impatience, and even anger directed at them personally.
This can be dialed up for emphasis. Some authors use them after individual words in order to give. Words. More. Emphasis. Or. Imply. Anger.
Some go even further and give such fragments their. Own.
Paragraph.
In Palladium's case, most of the sentence fragments tend to be in the form of prepositional phrases. Like this one. As a reader, I interpret this punctuation as supplemental phrasing. The incomplete sentence generally continues a thought from what came before, but the thought is meant to be distinctive enough that it's given its own sentence, even though it lacks a subject and predicate structure.
The English teacher's son inside me cringes a little when I read this, but I'm assuaged by the reality that compelling writing does not require good grammar and the complementary fact that most people don't care about it.
Only the few people like us.
When I start seeing abominations like "he should of went" in published print, then I will be bothered.
A.
Lot.
Whiskeyjack wrote:I think they just need to hire a competent proof reader. I've been reading through Balgor Wastelands for my campaign. There are a few pages where most of the sentences start with lower case letters. Errors that blatant in a published book are unacceptable.
kiralon wrote:Whiskeyjack wrote:I think they just need to hire a competent proof reader. I've been reading through Balgor Wastelands for my campaign. There are a few pages where most of the sentences start with lower case letters. Errors that blatant in a published book are unacceptable.
and stop copy pasting errors too.
What is your favourite error.
Mine is from first ed where the phantom (or) footman had a strength of 221.
Vrykolas2k wrote:Hotrod wrote:Vrykolas2k wrote:I look forward to a. Book without a ton of. Sentence fragments, which. Palladium has been putting out a lot of lately.
To be fair, Palladium has done that a lot over the years, to the point where it's more of their "conversational style" writing than a grammar error, per se. As long as it's done consistently and intentionally, I can give it a pass. If anything, sentence fragments have become rather stylish lately.
Text messaging and IM have pushed this change. I recently learned, for example, that when I use punctuation, even proper punctuation, in a text message, many younger recipients interpret that as frustration, impatience, and even anger directed at them personally.
This can be dialed up for emphasis. Some authors use them after individual words in order to give. Words. More. Emphasis. Or. Imply. Anger.
Some go even further and give such fragments their. Own.
Paragraph.
In Palladium's case, most of the sentence fragments tend to be in the form of prepositional phrases. Like this one. As a reader, I interpret this punctuation as supplemental phrasing. The incomplete sentence generally continues a thought from what came before, but the thought is meant to be distinctive enough that it's given its own sentence, even though it lacks a subject and predicate structure.
The English teacher's son inside me cringes a little when I read this, but I'm assuaged by the reality that compelling writing does not require good grammar and the complementary fact that most people don't care about it.
Only the few people like us.
When I start seeing abominations like "he should of went" in published print, then I will be bothered.
A.
Lot.
I view it as just another sign of society becoming more degraded and slothful.
Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge.
God Bless America.
Braden wrote:Thundercloud Galaxy has a flock of ducks in it that can slag a Glitterboy in one melee.
If that doesn't prompt you to buy it, I don't know what else I can say.
Hotrod wrote:Vrykolas2k wrote:Hotrod wrote:Vrykolas2k wrote:I look forward to a. Book without a ton of. Sentence fragments, which. Palladium has been putting out a lot of lately.
To be fair, Palladium has done that a lot over the years, to the point where it's more of their "conversational style" writing than a grammar error, per se. As long as it's done consistently and intentionally, I can give it a pass. If anything, sentence fragments have become rather stylish lately.
Text messaging and IM have pushed this change. I recently learned, for example, that when I use punctuation, even proper punctuation, in a text message, many younger recipients interpret that as frustration, impatience, and even anger directed at them personally.
This can be dialed up for emphasis. Some authors use them after individual words in order to give. Words. More. Emphasis. Or. Imply. Anger.
Some go even further and give such fragments their. Own.
Paragraph.
In Palladium's case, most of the sentence fragments tend to be in the form of prepositional phrases. Like this one. As a reader, I interpret this punctuation as supplemental phrasing. The incomplete sentence generally continues a thought from what came before, but the thought is meant to be distinctive enough that it's given its own sentence, even though it lacks a subject and predicate structure.
The English teacher's son inside me cringes a little when I read this, but I'm assuaged by the reality that compelling writing does not require good grammar and the complementary fact that most people don't care about it.
Only the few people like us.
When I start seeing abominations like "he should of went" in published print, then I will be bothered.
A.
Lot.
I view it as just another sign of society becoming more degraded and slothful.
I see it as a function of shorter attention spans and modern public communications centered around the broadest audience possible. During the Age of Reason, most public communications emphasized the use of precise language over brevity. For example, in his inaugural address, George Washington said:Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge.
Modern presidents simply say:God Bless America.
I'm ambivalent about this kind of development. The practical part of me prefers to keep things short and sweet and save time, and yet, we lose something with the contraction of language and the compromise of its structure. To Washington, invoking God 's blessing wasn't something thrown in with a catch phrase at the end of a speech; on the contrary, this was a central idea upon which he meditated regularly, such that Washington explored both why and how the Almighty's blessing was so critical. Washington's Inaugural Address communicates a depth of humility and reverence for both God and country that I've neither read nor heard in modern communications. It also invites the reader to share Washington's depth of thinking.
At the same time, Washington's broad vocabulary would be totally unsuitable for a speech to modern audiences who don't hold graduate degrees, and his phrasing is lengthy, needlessly complicated and, in places, awkward. If given today, many news outlets and political pundits would decry this kind of language as intellectually elitist (which the Founding Fathers were) and snobbish (which the Founding Fathers were not). I've encountered that kind of reaction in IM and text conversations, and when my "correct" use of language puts the reader off, it fails its primary purpose: to communicate ideas.
Ultimately, Palladium needs to publish books that its fans enjoy reading and using in their games. Better copyediting might help satisfy the grammar Nazi inside me, but as my favorite professor used to tell me, "Perfection is the enemy of good enough." Kevin has to make judgment calls on what constitutes good enough, balancing the importance of reducing mistakes with the business expenses of hiring a copyeditor and slowing production down. That's a hard line to walk, and I don't envy the calls he has to make.
Reagren Wright wrote:New Update.
Same update I gave Kevin. Finished the revision and the 1st round edited. Printed the manuscript out and now reading it over for a second
round edit. Moving at a good pace even with the holiday coming up. Should be completed and resubmitted back to Kevin before Christmas.
He's looking forward to reading it just in time for perhaps a Garden of the Gods raw edit. Afterward back to rediting and revising some
material in PDF project. Then returning to the PF project I put on hold while did revisions to Lopan. However, Monday have to see if I'm
buying myself a new computer for Christmas. Luckily smart enough to have everything I worked on saved on three locations. One goes down
always have a back up.
Glen Evans took my notes and turned in a rewritten Lopan manuscript that editor Alex Marciniszyn said might be Glen’s best writing to date!