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"'W.P. String Cheese'? Seriously?"
"Well, at least in this game we're more likely to encounter cheese than Davy Crockett nuclear mortars."
"..I LIKED that skill. It had attitude."


(Actually, if you ever read any of the Samurai Cat series, one of his first crossover adventures involves a strangler who uses goat string cheese)
That is a skill which could actually be applied to a game though.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:


(Actually, if you ever read any of the Samurai Cat series, one of his first crossover adventures involves a strangler who uses goat string cheese)
That is a skill which could actually be applied to a game though.[/quote]


W.P. String Cheese* or W.P. Tactical Nuclear Mortar(which would probably fall under Heavy Megadamage Weapons or Weapons Systems anyway)?

(*Bonus damage points if the victim is lactose-intolerant?)

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This is why you don't see me writing up silly WP skills right and left. Much of what would be written is redundant.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
This is why you don't see me writing up silly WP skills right and left. Much of what would be written is redundant.


SG the GM: "Okay...*sigh*....that's the fifth time you've killed somebody with a pretzel, Brad, and the other players are getting sick and tired of it. New house rule: use of 'W.P. Pretzel' does NOT gain you any exp. ANNNDDD before you ask, that also applies to 'W.P. Bubble Gum' and 'W.P. Cheetos'."

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SG the GM: "Okay...*sigh*....that's the fifth time you've killed somebody with a pretzel, Brad, and the other players are getting sick and tired of it. New house rule: use of 'W.P. Pretzel' does NOT gain you any exp. ANNNDDD before you ask, that also applies to 'W.P. Bubble Gum' and 'W.P. Cheetos'."
You've been spying on my games again, haven't you?

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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If you are going there...there is a whole MAF based on fighting with raman noodles in the Ramna 1/2 anime series.... :|

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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WP Pretzel got me to wondering whether there is a skill for using curved two-ended blades such as a bat'leth. It combines elements of a sword and a staff, so I was wondering how you would handle such a weapon in a game.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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My favorate custum WP to add onto a char is WP Frying pan.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
If you are going there...there is a whole MAF based on fighting with raman noodles in the Ramna 1/2 anime series.... :|


The fan fiction/fanon for R1/2 has yielded an INSANE variety of martial arts and W.P.s.*..When creating new martial arts forms, I bear that in mind.

*Including Martial Arts Junk Food(which actually does use Cheetos as a weapon), Netsurfing, Apathy, Flatulence, Accounting, Construction, Hairdressing, Performance Art, etc....
But as I've stated earlier, the Hoka series of sci-fi stories actually has an alien culture that uses giant tiddlywinks as weapons...only they're manhole cover sized and made of heavy bronze.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
My favorate custum WP to add onto a char is WP Frying pan.
WP Blunt pretty much covers this though.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
My favorate custum WP to add onto a char is WP Frying pan.
WP Blunt pretty much covers this though.

As does w.p. Utensils

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
My favorate custum WP to add onto a char is WP Frying pan.
WP Blunt pretty much covers this though.

As does w.p. Utensils

Never heard of it.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
abe wrote:
Stone Gargoyle wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
My favorate custum WP to add onto a char is WP Frying pan.
WP Blunt pretty much covers this though.

As does w.p. Utensils

Never heard of it.

I believe it’s in rifter #22? I know it’s in the article on cooking mags-damage creatures.


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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I believe it’s in rifter #22? I know it’s in the article on cooking mags-damage creatures.
I'll have to try and locate a copy of Rifter #22.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
abe wrote:
I believe it’s in rifter #22? I know it’s in the article on cooking mags-damage creatures.
I'll have to try and locate a copy of Rifter #22.

You can get a copy via amazon.com if it helps.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
abe wrote:
I believe it’s in rifter #22? I know it’s in the article on cooking mags-damage creatures.
I'll have to try and locate a copy of Rifter #22.

You can get a copy via amazon.com if it helps.
Oh, it helps.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Actually, it's Rifter #32, not 22.

You should also be able to find it in PDF format through locations like DriveThruRPG.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Actually, it's Rifter #32, not 22.

You should also be able to find it in PDF format through locations like DriveThruRPG.
Thanks T. I might buy the PDF and the paper copy depending on my funds.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Hey I was checking out the Netbook of Skills and saw Nanotechnology and Nanomanufacturing under the Mechanical skills. Are those official skills in one of the books or are they just fan-creations?

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Hey I was checking out the Netbook of Skills and saw Nanotechnology and Nanomanufacturing under the Mechanical skills. Are those official skills in one of the books or are they just fan-creations?


I'd have said Splicers, but only the Technojackers would have this skill and for them it's instinctual....but a check of the book shows only 'Machine Technology', so it's fan-creation.

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Throwing your voice (I cannot spell the actual name if my life depends on it)
It’s pretty much what it said it is.
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Throwing your voice (I cannot spell the actual name if my life depends on it)
It’s pretty much what it said it is.
Chance of success:25+pp+4% per level.



Ventriloquism.
It's been done.
First appeared, to the best of my knowledge, in the Robotech adventure module 'Ghost Ship'.. then System Failure and the Rifts Game Master Guide.
Skill proficiency is 16%+4% per level of experience.
Physical Prowess has NOTHING to do with it(Ventriloquists are not known as Olympic-grade gymnasts or physical acrobats).

And if you do try to describe something that you know has a better name for it, do some online research to find the proper spelling(it helps with working in the rest of it). You never know; your life MAY depend on it.

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Recycling lore:you can recognize recyclable metals, glass & plastics so that you can get maximum profit from recycling centers as well as know which centers pay the most money for the respective materials.
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Recycling lore:you can recognize recyclable metals, glass & plastics so that you can get maximum profit from recycling centers as well as know which centers pay the most money for the respective materials.
Chance of success is 32 +iq% + 7% per level


Recycling appears as a Technical skill in Rifts Ultimate Edition, Rifts Game Master Guide, Beyond the Supernatural, Mutants in Orbit, and Chaos Earth. 30%+5% per level of experience.
I wouldn't consider it to have a 'lore 'aspect for finding centers that offer the most because a little bit of research(yellow pages, internet, local chamber of commerce) will let you find the going rates for metals, local recycling centers, or what scrapyards are offering for materials. Blackmarket/borderline legal/ knowingly Illegal(like stolen copper wiring or swiped silverware) reclamation, I'd consider to be 'Streetwise'.

Managing a successful recycling/salvage business would be a package deal of Recycle, Salvage, Research, Bartering, Business & Finance skills. The average street person could get by with Recycling and Streetwise.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Apologies if this has been mentioned. I tried search but couldn't find it.

Here's some Weapons Proficiencies. Other than a +1 to their use I'm not sure if they should have any other bonuses or penalties.

W.P. Lever Action Rifle
W.P. Revolver Rifle.
W.P. Volley Gun Pistol (Black Powder)
W.P. Volley Gun Rifle (Black Powder)
W.P. Volley Gun Heavy (Mitrailleuse)
(Black Poweder version Ribauldequin seperate skill)
W.P. Crank Guns (Gatling style guns/Agar gun) (Black Powder version separate skill/Puckle Gun)
W.P. Organ Gun (Nordenfelt gun)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt%27s_ ... ving_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever_action
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordenfelt_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribauldequin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volley_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agar_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardner_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrailleuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun


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Sambot wrote:
Apologies if this has been mentioned. I tried search but couldn't find it.

Here's some Weapons Proficiencies. Other than a +1 to their use I'm not sure if they should have any other bonuses or penalties.

W.P. Lever Action Rifle
W.P. Revolver Rifle.
W.P. Volley Gun Pistol (Black Powder)
W.P. Volley Gun Rifle (Black Powder)
W.P. Volley Gun Heavy (Mitrailleuse)
(Black Poweder version Ribauldequin seperate skill)
W.P. Crank Guns (Gatling style guns/Agar gun) (Black Powder version separate skill/Puckle Gun)
W.P. Organ Gun (Nordenfelt gun)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt%27s_ ... ving_rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever_action
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordenfelt_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribauldequin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volley_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agar_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardner_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrailleuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
A gun is a gun. I've always felt that the need to itemize them by type is unnecessary.

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A gun is a gun. I've always felt that the need to itemize them by type is unnecessary.[/quote]

I agree...and many of them fall under the existing Black Powder W.P.
Larger weapons like the crank guns, I'd rule fall under W.P. Heavy.
In fact the best way to go about this, if you were creating, say, a U.S. Civil War character trained to use Mister Gatling's creation, would be to allow it as W.P. Heavy Weapons with the stipulation that it applies only to period weapons(so the character, if somehow transported in time, couldn't service/operate a 1917 Browning .50 caliber machine gun with the same proficiency unless they retrained on the more modern weapon).

Servicing all of them, I'd rule, could be covered by the Gunsmith or Armorer skill.

Still, I'll give Sambot credit for your historical research

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Unread postPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 9:08 am
  

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taalismn wrote:
Stone Gargoyle wrote:
A gun is a gun. I've always felt that the need to itemize them by type is unnecessary.


I agree...and many of them fall under the existing Black Powder W.P.
Larger weapons like the crank guns, I'd rule fall under W.P. Heavy.
In fact the best way to go about this, if you were creating, say, a U.S. Civil War character trained to use Mister Gatling's creation, would be to allow it as W.P. Heavy Weapons with the stipulation that it applies only to period weapons(so the character, if somehow transported in time, couldn't service/operate a 1917 Browning .50 caliber machine gun with the same proficiency unless they retrained on the more modern weapon).

Servicing all of them, I'd rule, could be covered by the Gunsmith or Armorer skill.

Still, I'll give Sambot credit for your historical research[/quote]

Thanks. :)

I know its kind of easy to pick up a gun and shoot it but how they operate and reload can vary wildly. And since we have different skills for different types of rifles and pistols I figured, "Why not?" for some. For others I had considered using W.P. Heavy Weapons but its kind of generic for me since it includes everything. Maybe W.P. Machine Gun and then treat it like you said by making it era specific. Kind of like other skills such as photography and computers.

I had forgotten this video so I guess the Mitrailleuse would work under Machine Gun along with Gatling style guns, Argar Gun and Nordenfelt gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wApeDr6-Bdo

I would think that the Puckle Gun and Ribauldequin would need a knowledge of Black Powder and machine guns though as the others aren't just black powder. Although do to their age one couldn't necessarily operate the other without some training.

I'm still wondering about a skill for Volley Guns as they're designed to fire multiple rounds at once, and usually so the rounds spread out. Pepper-boxes though rotate their barrels but still fire straight ahead. I kind of wonder if they should have a skill too since they're more complicated. That or it takes longer for them to become completely proficient with that type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volley_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper-box

I'd also submit W.P. Pistol-Sword. or Axe. Think Captain Harlock.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword


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taalismn wrote:
Stone Gargoyle wrote:
A gun is a gun. I've always felt that the need to itemize them by type is unnecessary.


I agree...and many of them fall under the existing Black Powder W.P.
Larger weapons like the crank guns, I'd rule fall under W.P. Heavy.
In fact the best way to go about this, if you were creating, say, a U.S. Civil War character trained to use Mister Gatling's creation, would be to allow it as W.P. Heavy Weapons with the stipulation that it applies only to period weapons(so the character, if somehow transported in time, couldn't service/operate a 1917 Browning .50 caliber machine gun with the same proficiency unless they retrained on the more modern weapon).

Servicing all of them, I'd rule, could be covered by the Gunsmith or Armorer skill.

Still, I'll give Sambot credit for your historical research
I did not mean to ignore the importance of research at all. Can we organize his list by the WP types you mention? That would be helpful.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I'd also submit W.P. Pistol-Sword. or Axe. Think Captain Harlock.
Gunblades use whichever WP is applicable to the use you are putting it to, either WP Sword or WP pistol, the same way you handle rifles with bayonets.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I'm still wondering about a skill for Volley Guns as they're designed to fire multiple rounds at once, and usually so the rounds spread out. Pepper-boxes though rotate their barrels but still fire straight ahead. I kind of wonder if they should have a skill too since they're more complicated. That or it takes longer for them to become completely proficient with that type.


I don't think there's any skill involved with the volley guns, except in the servicing.
The general idea is 'get as much lead flying towards the mass of enemy troops as possible and hope more rounds hit than miss'. If it were a skill, it would start out as the equivalent of shooting a burst, or even 'spray and pray' shooting wild, with the further penalty that you can't 'walk' the stream of fire up into or over your target.
Remember, these weapons were designed to counter the then-standard tactic of compensating for single-shot infantry weapons by massing as many troops as you could in a single group and volley-blasting away at your opponent.

If anything, effective use of volley-guns would come under Tactics.

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