So is Palladium going to make an Australia book 2?

[Calaran]

So is Australia Book 2 going to be produced or is the teasers just going to be on the back of other source books Year After year After year....
I Just started a campaign in Australia and really want a Bushman.. I set the time frame in the Chaos Earth Era.. and I need some info on the bushman..

[Wooly]

Last I heard it was canceled sometime ago: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28634

A bushman is a merely a vagabond, no?

[Killer Cyborg]

No.
The manuscript for Australia 2 was bad enough that Palladium decided to never publish it.

[Blastaar]

so it went the way of the dodo. like rifts Scotland and rifts Antarctica is what KC is saying..

[Killer Cyborg]

so it went the way of the dodo. like rifts Scotland and rifts Antarctica is what KC is saying..

And now we'll never experience the awe and wonder of reading about MDC Haggis, TW Bagpipes, or demonic penguins.

[Josh Hilden]

Well now hold on, the idea of Demonic Emperor Penguins and an army of enslaved mutant sea lions has me intrigued.

[Todd Yoho]

Last I heard it was canceled sometime ago: http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/foru ... =8&t=28634

The fact that the provided link leads to a thread over a decade old, (a decade...) and might as well have been written TODAY regarding business practices, says everything that ever needs to be said in the ever-decreasing forum traffic thread in All Things.

[Q99]

I *luvvved* Aussie 1, so I really hope it gets revisited.

[CyCo]

There was never a manuscript for Australia 2, or for that matter book 3. There was just one huge manuscript. It went way over the maximum page count for the submission, but in phone calls to Kev, Kev told Ben to keep writing, as he was totally enthused about what Ben was coming up with. And also they were bouncing ideas between them as well.

There were some rumours on the boards in the last couple of years that someone else was going to be working on Rifts:Oz book 2 (maybe 3 as well?), but nothing has come from that. Even if they did, they wouldn't be able to use the content submitted by Ben, as that was contractually his ideas. Sure, they're PBs 'ideas' now, but they were meant to pay Ben, not someone else.

[The Dark Elf]

so it went the way of the dodo. like rifts Scotland and rifts Antarctica is what KC is saying..

The Antartica SB sounds awesome! I didnt know it was cancelled - I think Matt is an awesome writer. What happened??

[Pepsi Jedi]

This has come up before.

The short answer is 'No.'

The longer answer is... well. I've heard repeatedly from different sources. "More complicated"

With out going into detail on the open boards, the "Reasoning" behind Aussie 2 not being published, is a good one. One that we'd all applaud Kevin for. If the reasoning I've heard is true. I believe it, but I'm not going to post it openly and court the wrath of Mod. As I don't "KNOW". I wasn't "THERE". It's just the same story I've heard from people, over and over, and even people that don't agree on anything, have repeated the same reason to me.

I'll tell people in PM's if they want to know, with the firm understanding that it's not a 'fact' but a persistent reason that's come up every time someone mentions it, and that they can believe it or not on their own.

[Prysus]

so it went the way of the dodo. like rifts Scotland and rifts Antarctica is what KC is saying..

The Antartica SB sounds awesome! I didnt know it was cancelled - I think Matt is an awesome writer. What happened??

Greetings and Salutations. Fairly sure that was discussing a different Rifts Antartica book, kind of like how there was a different Lemuria book that was cancelled (before the more recent version). I believe (but not positive) that the Matthew Clements version is one of the many manuscripts that Kevin hasn't gotten around to because he's so busy and not a top priority. Also , when it was first announced, I recall some rage over the idea (can't recall why). I actually think it was a wise move that it has been played down since. Hope that helps. Farewell and safe journeys.

[The Dark Elf]

so it went the way of the dodo. like rifts Scotland and rifts Antarctica is what KC is saying..

The Antartica SB sounds awesome! I didnt know it was cancelled - I think Matt is an awesome writer. What happened??

Greetings and Salutations. Fairly sure that was discussing a different Rifts Antartica book, kind of like how there was a different Lemuria book that was cancelled (before the more recent version). I believe (but not positive) that the Matthew Clements version is one of the many manuscripts that Kevin hasn't gotten around to because he's so busy and not a top priority. Also , when it was first announced, I recall some rage over the idea (can't recall why). I actually think it was a wise move that it has been played down since. Hope that helps. Farewell and safe journeys.

Phew!

I think the few angry vocalists about an Antartica book were more along the lines of why Antartica over something already announced or more relevant to the NA continent, not because they disliked it in itself. Not sure they understood that it wasnt a given assignment or that it is a submission that is good enough that it requires not so much editing time ergo a possibility for actually seeing the light of day...

[Killer Cyborg]

MY objection to the Antartica book was that Rifts Earth is already over-populated, and adding populations to places that weren't really populated in the first place is even worse.

In an infinite megaverse, with literally endless possibilities, writers keep wanting to stick to the old "let's rehash modern cliches by sticking them in Rifts Earth" rut that they've been in since England.

[Pepsi Jedi]

It doesn't bother me that much. We have people on Antarctica now. Research stations and the like. During the 'Golden age of man' it would have been even more. It's got natural resources that were likely fought for when other sources started to deplete, which would cause more population there. So.. Rifts happen, Add on (Yes stereotypical) Magical element, future Frozen Tech Element and roll with it.

While I can agree. Rifts Earth started off as a 'sparsely populated post apoc' setting it hasn't been that for over a decade. Some would say two decades. They departed from that sterotype pretty quick. Trying to hold it there just doesn't fit with the 50+ books we have for the setting.

[The Galactus Kid]

It doesn't bother me that much. We have people on Antarctica now. Research stations and the like. During the 'Golden age of man' it would have been even more. It's got natural resources that were likely fought for when other sources started to deplete, which would cause more population there. So.. Rifts happen, Add on (Yes stereotypical) Magical element, future Frozen Tech Element and roll with it.

While I can agree. Rifts Earth started off as a 'sparsely populated post apoc' setting it hasn't been that for over a decade. Some would say two decades. They departed from that sterotype pretty quick. Trying to hold it there just doesn't fit with the 50+ books we have for the setting.

Agreed on all points.

[Killer Cyborg]

It doesn't bother me that much. We have people on Antarctica now. Research stations and the like. During the 'Golden age of man' it would have been even more. It's got natural resources that were likely fought for when other sources started to deplete, which would cause more population there. So.. Rifts happen, Add on (Yes stereotypical) Magical element, future Frozen Tech Element and roll with it.

While I can agree. Rifts Earth started off as a 'sparsely populated post apoc' setting it hasn't been that for over a decade. Some would say two decades. They departed from that sterotype pretty quick. Trying to hold it there just doesn't fit with the 50+ books we have for the setting.

Agreed on all points.

We have a handful off people there now, who would die off quickly in an apocalypse.

[Pepsi Jedi]

It doesn't bother me that much. We have people on Antarctica now. Research stations and the like. During the 'Golden age of man' it would have been even more. It's got natural resources that were likely fought for when other sources started to deplete, which would cause more population there. So.. Rifts happen, Add on (Yes stereotypical) Magical element, future Frozen Tech Element and roll with it.

While I can agree. Rifts Earth started off as a 'sparsely populated post apoc' setting it hasn't been that for over a decade. Some would say two decades. They departed from that sterotype pretty quick. Trying to hold it there just doesn't fit with the 50+ books we have for the setting.

Agreed on all points.

We have a handful off people there now, who would die off quickly in an apocalypse.

*Points to post* We're not as advanced as the world was when the rifts came. The golden age of science let humanity do pretty much what ever it wanted where ever it wanted. There's more than a hand full of people there now. You just don't often hear about them. There's bunches of stations down there from bunches of nations. With the ice melting and resources being what they are, the countries are going to want to stake claim for resource grab if nothing else. heck there could have been wars over it before it was all said and done. Once claims were made, there would need to be military presence to secure them and keep from claim jumping from other countries. Not just scientists but the crews there to gather the resources would increase the population even more. Scientists+resource gatherers (Drillers, miners, whatever) Military to protect them. Administration, then likely families of those (Golden age of man, they could build habitats or something), Poof you've got a population down there.


Rifts come. They're cut off, they'd likely react much like the space stations did. Turning to one another and depending on one another to survive in the harsh envrionment. You gotta think the people that were living here were pretty rough and tumble to start with.

[Killer Cyborg]

:shrug:

I'm not saying it's impossible for a colony to survive, just that it's stupid.

[eliakon]

:shrug:

I'm not saying it's impossible for a colony to survive, just that it's stupid.

I am going to have to agree with Killer Cyborg here....the plausibility of the survival of an Antarctic colony is so thin that it makes the space stations seem sure things....

[Library Ogre]

Australia 2 is due out a couple weeks after Old Kingdom Lowlands.

[The Beast]

:shrug:

I'm not saying it's impossible for a colony to survive, just that it's stupid.

I am going to have to agree with Killer Cyborg here....the plausibility of the survival of an Antarctic colony is so thin that it makes the space stations seem sure things....

Count me in as well.

Australia 2 is due out a couple weeks after Old Kingdom Lowlands.

Are you serious or are you trolling?

[Pepsi Jedi]

:shrug:

I'm not saying it's impossible for a colony to survive, just that it's stupid.

Well if you read the coming of Rifts, it's pretty stupid for anything to have survived. *Shrugs* Could be explained by 'Magic' or... as it's antartica "Lack of magic" or other things. The habitats that were built with golden age of science tech would need to be very strong, perhaps using that tech they have bio domes that weathered the coming of rifts better.

Could be a dozen things.

[Josh Hilden]

Australia 2 is due out a couple weeks after Old Kingdom Lowlands.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I nearly spit my tea on my Lappy

[The Dark Elf]

Antartica - "Arguing" (although more like a debate) over the contents of a book not yet published - wait til it comes out and IF there's humans there, start the post. Hehe

My fault for derailing I think so Australia 2 - liked the first book. Lots to do but the "missing" magical aspects kinda does make it lack a uniqueness as a setting. Its soooo stand alone being all the way on its own so it needs to be extra special to draw crowds (I mean RL gamers) away from the many ideas GMs have for NA or Europe.

PS LOVED the boldness of sinking half the continent!! More stuff like that!

[CyCo]

PS LOVED the boldness of sinking half the continent!! More stuff like that!

That's actually how Australia looked centuries ago. A large part of the center of Australia was a shallow inland sea. And there are portions of it that are still below sea level. There's a point on the coast line, think it's up in the north western part of Western Australia, that's not too far above the sea line as it stands now. If the sea level rises up high enough, then Australia would have an inland sea again.

[The Dark Elf]

PS LOVED the boldness of sinking half the continent!! More stuff like that!

That's actually how Australia looked centuries ago. A large part of the center of Australia was a shallow inland sea. And there are portions of it that are still below sea level. There's a point on the coast line, think it's up in the north western part of Western Australia, that's not too far above the sea line as it stands now. If the sea level rises up high enough, then Australia would have an inland sea again.

[RockJock]

Has anyone every thought out a list of OCC etc from other books to bring in as replacements for Australia 2/3? You can always start with the Kittani dino robots in SA being furrned with belly pounches.

[Tor]

No.
The manuscript for Australia 2 was bad enough that Palladium decided to never publish it.

Or maybe it was too good and would overshadow all previous things too much? IE Carella Psyscape.

now we'll never experience the awe and wonder of reading about MDC Haggis, TW Bagpipes, or demonic penguins.

Basically got the last one in Underseas page 39.

MY objection to the Antartica book was that Rifts Earth is already over-populated, and adding populations to places that weren't really populated in the first place is even worse.

Could be possible to do a WB without adding much population. Maybe talk about how existing populations are spreading there, like the Atlantis/Horune setting up slave colonies there, Archie setting up a base, Ticonderoga and Free Quebec sending up scout ships that get lost, some APS Ice guy who manages to survive but goes insane from loneliness, etc. Maybe expand on the cold problem rules Canada added.

[Killer Cyborg]

No.
The manuscript for Australia 2 was bad enough that Palladium decided to never publish it.

Or maybe it was too good and would overshadow all previous things too much? IE Carella Psyscape.

?

now we'll never experience the awe and wonder of reading about MDC Haggis, TW Bagpipes, or demonic penguins.

Basically got the last one in Underseas page 39.

More's the pity.

MY objection to the Antartica book was that Rifts Earth is already over-populated, and adding populations to places that weren't really populated in the first place is even worse.

Could be possible to do a WB without adding much population. Maybe talk about how existing populations are spreading there, like the Atlantis/Horune setting up slave colonies there, Archie setting up a base, Ticonderoga and Free Quebec sending up scout ships that get lost, some APS Ice guy who manages to survive but goes insane from loneliness, etc. Maybe expand on the cold problem rules Canada added.

Boring and seemingly pointless. You'd have to have one hell of a macguffin to get everybody there, because there's no realistic reason for it, and all for what?
To chalk off another part of the world as having the same stuff as the rest of it?

[Kiltduderackham]

Supposedly ther used to be a Nazi base built in Antaritca that was storing documents and artifacts in preperation for the Fourth Reich. http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=30249

Also H.P.Lovecraft's books The Mountains of Madness talks about an advanced ancient alien civilization that existed in Antartica. That could end up being some sort of alien intelligence that is plotting world domination, but is being held back by the new Fourth Reich which although evil is holding a power even more evil. Then maybe the CS has some contact with this other large human superemasist group.