If u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage?

[Killer Cyborg]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

Probably not pure enough.

[Zer0 Kay]

That is like asking if a vampire is in a pool of stagnant water (not taking damage) and something falls into the pool suddenly moving all of it... I don't know like a robot or a large bolder, would it then take damage from the stagnant water that is now moving? Or if a Vampire is in a container that is filled with water but because the water isn't moving, it isn't receiving damage, does it then receive damage if that container is placed on the back of a truck and driven around . OK well less like the second and more like the first.

[Aaryq]

I searched keywords and couldn't find it. But I could have sworn someone posted this before. That being said, I believe that the key responses were:

1. Since it's not pure water, in the elemental sense, it wouldn't hurt them
2. It would hurt them but at half damage because it's not pure (disregarding the elemental aspect)
3. It may or may not hurt him, but before you could even pinch it off and grab you're stake, you'd probably have a massive bite wound on your...privates.
4. SAID IN JEST Why would you ask a question like that!? World Book X on Page Y on Paragraph Z in Sentence Q says "Bull crap, bla bla, vampires, yadda yadda." If you know every sentence in every book that I own you would know the answer to that question. flame flame flame (remember friends, this last one was a joke, not making fun of anyone or trying to start a flame war...just a bunch of funniness)
5. I've never tried that...you've inspired me to try that in my next vamp campaign

[Starmage21]

lol given the literalism of "running water" and "my supersoaker kills vamps good", yes, if you pee on a vampire it will hurt

[Exiled_one]

It came up in the 'Siege of Tolkeen' story that ran in the first six rifters or so (although I'm fully aware that probably wouldn't count as a canon reference).

CS sympathetic Juicer is running a message through the sewers of Tolkeen to a CS contact, happens to be running into an area inhabited by a vampire who leaps out to grab her. Juicer reflexes kick in and she flips him into the stream of running water and other human waste. Vampire hits the surface and sinks, then mists out to coaless in front of her.

"Sorry hun" he says (or words to that effect) "Water might hurt us, but **** just makes us REALLY mad."



Although the story itself isn't canon, it may be a safe enough reference for gaming purposes.

[AzathothXy]

That was actually answered in the Rifter #9 1/2.

[Killer Cyborg]

I love Palladium vampires. They're probably the only monster where a pack of ten year olds with waterguns poses a significant threat.

Not that significant of a threat.

[Zer0 Kay]

I searched keywords and couldn't find it. But I could have sworn someone posted this before. That being said, I believe that the key responses were:

1. Since it's not pure water, in the elemental sense, it wouldn't hurt them
2. It would hurt them but at half damage because it's not pure (disregarding the elemental aspect)
3. It may or may not hurt him, but before you could even pinch it off and grab you're stake, you'd probably have a massive bite wound on your...privates.
4. SAID IN JEST Why would you ask a question like that!? World Book X on Page Y on Paragraph Z in Sentence Q says "Bull crap, bla bla, vampires, yadda yadda." If you know every sentence in every book that I own you would know the answer to that question. flame flame flame (remember friends, this last one was a joke, not making fun of anyone or trying to start a flame war...just a bunch of funniness)
5. I've never tried that...you've inspired me to try that in my next vamp campaign

OH MY GOD could you imagine if the urine was considered "good" enough for elemental purposes? Just think of all the water warlock possibilities and barring them the water elementals. Maybe a new mini-water elemental the urine elemental. Worse what happens when someone decides to use some elemental spell to boil water... in your bladder

[Zer0 Kay]

If you are properly hydrated to the point where your urine is clear when you're letting loose, then YES...you have both the pressure and purity needed to hurt a vampire. If a child's squirtgun with tapwater poses a lethal threat to a vampire, then you're purple-headed yogurt slinger with a full tank poses an equal threat.

Dude if when you drain your lizard it fires as far as a super soaker... well you may want to find out if your eroding your urethra

[Kryzbyn]

<crickets>

[Josh Sinsapaugh]

The Q&A in Rifter 9.5 says no.

IIRC, that particular Q&A dealt with weird and whacky questions, and thus I that it is considered to be as official as the other Q&As.

Of course, I may be mistaken. I haven't read Rifter 9.5 in a long time.

~ Josh

[Greyaxe]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

No and you deserve to have your (self edit for content). Thats like squirting orange juice on a vampire its not water its orange juice just as urine is not water.

[Daniel Stoker]

That is like asking if a vampire is in a pool of stagnant water (not taking damage) and something falls into the pool suddenly moving all of it... I don't know like a robot or a large bolder, would it then take damage from the stagnant water that is now moving? Or if a Vampire is in a container that is filled with water but because the water isn't moving, it isn't receiving damage, does it then receive damage if that container is placed on the back of a truck and driven around . OK well less like the second and more like the first.

I actually asked something close to that a while back.


Daniel Stoker

[Spark]

That is like asking if a vampire is in a pool of stagnant water (not taking damage) and something falls into the pool suddenly moving all of it... I don't know like a robot or a large bolder, would it then take damage from the stagnant water that is now moving? Or if a Vampire is in a container that is filled with water but because the water isn't moving, it isn't receiving damage, does it then receive damage if that container is placed on the back of a truck and driven around . OK well less like the second and more like the first.

I actually asked something close to that a while back.


Daniel Stoker

Yeah but in Vampire Kingdoms they do say that a vampire is hurt by water, just that moving does more damage. You can try to hold a vampire in say a pool, and it will hurt the vampire but will not do enough damage to kill the vampire, soo little damage that it's would be a wait of time. Well that and after the vampire gets lose it will be seriously angry, likely in the mood they are when you remove the stake from their chest and they come out of suspended animation.

Taking a leak on the vampire, like everyone has said is not only stupid, but if any of your character think it's a good idea, your GM as a means of example should have the vampire roll to either remove the fools tool or just bite them down there. Really how can you think it's a good idea in the first place?

[Mouser13]

well this is a GM call. I would say no because of the purity question.

[highpriestrsw2]

double damage if you're a priest! LOL!


seriously! I've run into this situation before!

[Hotrod]

Topics like this are why I come to the forums. Thank you for giving me some quality entertainment.

[Killer Cyborg]

Purity of water has never really been discussed: how many ppm can you have in a volume of water before it decreases its lethality?

I would say to the original question: yes.

In this case, I'd say it's more of a metaphysical impurity that would be the probem than just a chemical one.

[TechnoGothic]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

IF you Bless it maybe

[Spark]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

IF you Bless it maybe

This begs the question, when are priests going to be so desperate for water they start blessing urine?

Also following the logic some of you are applying, it would be possible to hurt a vampire with a beer. They say water for a damn reason. If you want to go by purity, then apply the same rules for silver, that it has to be at minimum of 80%. However I'm not going with that, if characters in my campaign are going to hurt a vampire with water his has to be from a lake/river/well/TW SuperSoaker. Even if two of the character are godlings I wouldn't let any urine form them cause damage to a vampire.

[Hotrod]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

IF you Bless it maybe

What about angel urine?

[Killer Cyborg]

This begs the question, when are priests going to be so desperate for water they start blessing urine?

Urine has been considered to be mystical or sacred in some cultures, and under certain circumstances I could see it being used as holy water, with the same effect.

[Killer Cyborg]

If urine can't hurt a vampire because it can't be pure enough then water weapons will be useless against them in a thick dustcloud.

It's a mystic thing, not a chemistry thing.

[Sureshot]

In one of the Chapters of the Hammer and the Forge in the rifter one of characters tried that. It did nothing at all short of making the vampire angry. So I would say no.

[Natasha]

The whole "squirt guns hurt vampires" thing is something I hated way back in the day when I first played this game. It's just so... stupid. I will not allow this in my new game (didn't allow it back in the day either). Squirt guns filled with holy water though? Rock on.

Koz

A vampire could probably dodge a squirt gun without trying, possibly without even thinking about it.

A high pressure sprayer at very close range, however, is a different story altogether.

[Killer Cyborg]

The whole "squirt guns hurt vampires" thing is something I hated way back in the day when I first played this game. It's just so... stupid. I will not allow this in my new game (didn't allow it back in the day either). Squirt guns filled with holy water though? Rock on.

Koz

I've never understood why one would be considered to be any more or less silly than the other.

[Killer Cyborg]

The whole "squirt guns hurt vampires" thing is something I hated way back in the day when I first played this game. It's just so... stupid. I will not allow this in my new game (didn't allow it back in the day either). Squirt guns filled with holy water though? Rock on.

Koz

I've never understood why one would be considered to be any more or less silly than the other.

Well, because holy water actually makes sense based on vampire myth. Vampires of myth could not cross running water without help, the myths don't say anything about vampires not being able to touch running water. There is nothing in vampire myth that would indicate that throwing a glass of water at a vampire, or shooting one with a squirt gun filled with tap water, would have any effect on them whatsoever. However, holy water is a common weakness of vampires in pretty much all vampire lore, hence why I don't have a problem with it.

Saying that since vampires can't cross running water, then squirt guns hurt them, is just stretching the myths beyond the breaking point IMO and seems very silly on its face.

Koz

Actually, the myths also said that a vampire submerged in running water would dissolve.
(not just myths, but D&D )
The notion that lesser amounts of running water would cause lesser amounts of damage doesn't seem like a big leap to me.

[Natasha]

Water destroys ethereal structures, which vampires originally were, and why they couldn't come into contact with water. It would simply wash them into nonexistance.

[Killer Cyborg]

Water destroys ethereal structures, which vampires originally were, and why they couldn't come into contact with water. It would simply wash them into nonexistance.

Can you elaborate on that or provide sources?
I'm doing research.

[DtMK]

I'm still waiting for the day a Priest in game runs out of water, does a number two, blesses it, and assaults a vampire with Holy Sh....you know.

[Hotrod]

In the Bible, it talks of Jesus spitting on dirt and rubbing it into someone's eyes to cure them of blindness. Blessed urine isn't all that big a step past that.

[DtMK]

I still like my idea. Holy Poo-Poo! Holy Poo-Poo! C'mon, I at least see one inebriated Preacher on Rifts Earth trying it in desperation...

[Danger]

Not anymore than pouring a can of coke on one.

[Lenwen]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

As is written in the books .. the water does not have to be pure .. as no purity has been given as a detail for us to know.

So as is written .. Yes .. Vampires getting "leaked" on would in fact take damage.

How much damage would be determined by how much "Leaked" upon the Vampire is taken ..

[Danger]

I know what my answer would be if one of my player's asked.

"Try it and find out?"

[Hotrod]

(Thread Necromancy: 2013 Halloween Edition)

If it's a god taking the leak, will it do damage as holy water?

[Greyaxe]

(Thread Necromancy: 2013 Halloween Edition)

If it's a god taking the leak, will it do damage as holy water?

Double damage.

[popscythe]

Any player character who gets themselves close enough to a vampire to test this deserves the pocket change of damage that the "attack" will do. They also deserve the vampire's reaction.

[Tor]

You'd need to be drinking a LOT of water for it to be diluted enough to harm a vampire. Normally I think the uric acid and other stuff would interfere.

Obviously water doesn't need to be perfectly pure (kind of impossible) otherwise river and tap water wouldn't harm them, but that (well, tap, at least) tends to be purer than urine.

It would not be that game shattering if urine did harm vampires. It's not as if it's exactly that great a weapon.

[Qev]

I still like my idea. Holy Poo-Poo! Holy Poo-Poo! C'mon, I at least see one inebriated Preacher on Rifts Earth trying it in desperation...

This reminds me of a novel I read not that long ago, where gods' um... excretions (of whatever type) had various divine properties. Their solid waste apparently acted as anti-magic when... well... coating something.

[Tor]

We know some vampires are not harmed by urine, and trying to combat them with pee would not be good.

Something normally impossible may become possible in Rifts Earth with all its supernatural properties. New possibilities come to mind for creative uses of water elementals.

Is this true in Palladium?

[Blue_Lion]

Ok Why the would you want to expose that part of your body to something that can do lots of damage. Heaven help you if you are in EBA. I can see some one getting pants because he undid his belt to wiz on a vampire. Not to mention you just uncovered a major artery for the vampire to bite to suck you blood.


How P. Off (well on really) will a vampire be with you after your golden shower of fail.

Acording to the official FAQ in 9 1/2 it the only thing spiting on or taking a leak on does to a vampire is get it really upset at you.

[The Oh So Amazing Nate]

i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.

Yes, it will hurt.. The vampire's feelings.

Then the vampire will hurt you... to death.

[Tor]

Ok Why the would you want to expose that part of your body to something that can do lots of damage.

Perhaps I'm a vagabond with the APS power of Stretching which makes me MDC so I won't get 1-shotted by a vampire.

Perhaps my power allows me an extreme amount of versatility from where I can project myself and aim my attack, such as extending it up and over the vampires, perhaps even curving behind them?

Perhaps I also have a super power which provides me and all my respective parts an auto-dodge?

Perhaps I have that Anatomical Independence minor power from PU1 which allows me to separate parts of myself and send them hundreds of feet away, able to operate independently, and which allows me to regrow them within days if they are destroyed?

Not to mention you just uncovered a major artery for the vampire to bite to suck you blood.

Solution: have a priest bless your beverages prior to drinking them for weeks prior to the encounter so that all the liquid you would be expelling would be holy.

There might be some other alternative priestly approaches to effect this solution post-drinking but it may not be popular to go into those means here.

Acording to the official FAQ in 9 1/2 it the only thing spiting on or taking a leak on does to a vampire is get it really upset at you.

According to viewtopic.php?f=4&t=77496 nothing in Rifter 9.5 was official.

Regarding the first question in the PF+Misc secton on page 19, answers by J.P. Ferkelberger are not canon. He is simply a character portrayed by Julius Rosenstein.

If we treat this answer as canon then we must be extension also treat Giga-Damage as canon since Percy Ferkelberger (portrayed by Bill Coffin) mentions being able to use it on page 20 in the same FAQ.

[Blue_Lion]

Ok Why the would you want to expose that part of your body to something that can do lots of damage.

Perhaps I'm a vagabond with the APS power of Stretching which makes me MDC so I won't get 1-shotted by a vampire.

Perhaps my power allows me an extreme amount of versatility from where I can project myself and aim my attack, such as extending it up and over the vampires, perhaps even curving behind them?

Perhaps I also have a super power which provides me and all my respective parts an auto-dodge?

Perhaps I have that Anatomical Independence minor power from PU1 which allows me to separate parts of myself and send them hundreds of feet away, able to operate independently, and which allows me to regrow them within days if they are destroyed?

Not to mention you just uncovered a major artery for the vampire to bite to suck you blood.

Solution: have a priest bless your beverages prior to drinking them for weeks prior to the encounter so that all the liquid you would be expelling would be holy.

There might be some other alternative priestly approaches to effect this solution post-drinking but it may not be popular to go into those means here.

Acording to the official FAQ in 9 1/2 it the only thing spiting on or taking a leak on does to a vampire is get it really upset at you.

According to viewtopic.php?f=4&t=77496 nothing in Rifter 9.5 was official.

Regarding the first question in the PF+Misc secton on page 19, answers by J.P. Ferkelberger are not canon. He is simply a character portrayed by Julius Rosenstein.

If we treat this answer as canon then we must be extension also treat Giga-Damage as canon since Percy Ferkelberger (portrayed by Bill Coffin) mentions being able to use it on page 20 in the same FAQ.

Sorry I see nothing in the thread you posted a link to that says it is not official FAQ in is even listed in the with the other FAQ. (Maybe if you where more specific in what part of the massive post thread you linked to it could be found.)

Now then if you bless water and consume it the it is no longer blessed as it has been processed after the blessing. Water damages vampires because in the culture that vampires come from it is seen as a some that cleanses while bodily waste such as your leak is seen as unclean.

You seam to go out of your way to come up with reason to expose part of your body to vampires. Even if you are MDC Getting bit in the twigs and berries is going to hurt ( not that they are likely to have much MDC.)

Your logic that to use FAQ allows giga-damage as canon seam to be a stretch and not Shure how you logically connect the two. Heck I could even say Percy Ferkeiberger is not JP Ferkeiberger (as Percy would logically be P Ferkeiberger not JP Ferkeiberger.)

91/2 may be a joke issue but the questions it addressed where real questions in themselves so Ludicrous that normally they would not see. print.

[Tor]

I'm referring to the first post in that thread, by NMI. Things in the Rifters which are considered official have a big <OFFICIAL> next to them. Rifter 9.5 lacks this for all its entries.

Other FAQs and errata published in the Rifter which are canon (and are duplicated in the Rifts or HU GMGs in many cases) have this tag next to them.

Where does it say that blessing ends when water is drunk? A bit unclear on expiration policies on holy water, not a very fleshed out area. Like for example, if I make tea out of boiled holy water, is it now unholy? Some see teas as very cleansing.

While it's true that most modern cultures see urine as unclean, some cultures also see it as a tonic. I mean, just think of friends, when Chandler pees on Monica's foot to cure a jellyfish sting. Scientifically this is counterindicated, but this isn't about science, it's about BELIEF

To be fair here, a vampire would probably need to make a called shot to hit a small target like that. Also someone need not expose themselves at all to a vampire.

This concept can expand outside-the-box, this isn't about warm from-the-source evacuated liquidity, but also more controlled situations. Like say, for example, if one opted to pee in a bottle (as one does in road trips if one doesn't want to stop, probably common if you're being chased by vampires) one might instead opt to whiz in a squirtgun ammo tank. Then one could use the gun as normal without having to expose oneself to one's enemies at all.

I connect your 'pee-doesn't-hurt-vampires' FAQ to Giga-Damage because they are from the same book, and Giga-Damage is mentioned in the FAQ, in the same section (Misc Topics), merely a page apart.

We have two Ferkelbergers to consider. J.P. wrote the vampire part (he wrote the section overall so anything not otherwise attributed is from him) and Peter wrote the Gigadamage part. In the back, JP = Julius Rosenstein and Peter = Bill Coffin. The identities are pretty clear, not sure what you're talking about here. I never said Percy was JP, Percy (Kevin) is immaterial to our discussion since he did not write this FAQ.

The end is very clear "everything in this issue" .. "None of it is true". So if we're to say pee doesn't hurt vamps, we need some other source for canon. Perhaps it's in the online errata?

[Tor]

I'm referring to the first post in that thread, by NMI. Things in the Rifters which are considered official have a big <OFFICIAL> next to them. Rifter 9.5 lacks this for all its entries.

Other FAQs and errata published in the Rifter which are canon (and are duplicated in the Rifts or HU GMGs in many cases) have this tag next to them.

Where does it say that blessing ends when water is drunk? A bit unclear on expiration policies on holy water, not a very fleshed out area. Like for example, if I make tea out of boiled holy water, is it now unholy? Some see teas as very cleansing.

While it's true that most modern cultures see urine as unclean, some cultures also see it as a tonic. I mean, just think of friends, when Chandler pees on Monica's foot to cure a jellyfish sting. Scientifically this is counterindicated, but this isn't about science, it's about BELIEF

To be fair here, a vampire would probably need to make a called shot to hit a small target like that. Also someone need not expose themselves at all to a vampire.

This concept can expand outside-the-box, this isn't about warm from-the-source evacuated liquidity, but also more controlled situations. Like say, for example, if one opted to pee in a bottle (as one does in road trips if one doesn't want to stop, probably common if you're being chased by vampires) one might instead opt to whiz in a squirtgun ammo tank. Then one could use the gun as normal without having to expose oneself to one's enemies at all.

I connect your 'pee-doesn't-hurt-vampires' FAQ to Giga-Damage because they are from the same book, and Giga-Damage is mentioned in the FAQ, in the same section (Misc Topics), merely a page apart.

We have two Ferkelbergers to consider. J.P. wrote the vampire part (he wrote the section overall so anything not otherwise attributed is from him) and Peter wrote the Gigadamage part. In the back, JP = Julius Rosenstein and Peter = Bill Coffin. The identities are pretty clear, not sure what you're talking about here. I never said Percy was JP, Percy (Kevin) is immaterial to our discussion since he did not write this FAQ.

The end is very clear "everything in this issue" .. "None of it is true". So if we're to say pee doesn't hurt vamps, we need some other source for canon. Perhaps it's in the online errata?

[Blue_Lion]

I'm referring to the first post in that thread, by NMI. Things in the Rifters which are considered official have a big <OFFICIAL> next to them. Rifter 9.5 lacks this for all its entries.

Other FAQs and errata published in the Rifter which are canon (and are duplicated in the Rifts or HU GMGs in many cases) have this tag next to them.

Where does it say that blessing ends when water is drunk? A bit unclear on expiration policies on holy water, not a very fleshed out area. Like for example, if I make tea out of boiled holy water, is it now unholy? Some see teas as very cleansing.

While it's true that most modern cultures see urine as unclean, some cultures also see it as a tonic. I mean, just think of friends, when Chandler pees on Monica's foot to cure a jellyfish sting. Scientifically this is counterindicated, but this isn't about science, it's about BELIEF

To be fair here, a vampire would probably need to make a called shot to hit a small target like that. Also someone need not expose themselves at all to a vampire.

This concept can expand outside-the-box, this isn't about warm from-the-source evacuated liquidity, but also more controlled situations. Like say, for example, if one opted to pee in a bottle (as one does in road trips if one doesn't want to stop, probably common if you're being chased by vampires) one might instead opt to whiz in a squirtgun ammo tank. Then one could use the gun as normal without having to expose oneself to one's enemies at all.

I connect your 'pee-doesn't-hurt-vampires' FAQ to Giga-Damage because they are from the same book, and Giga-Damage is mentioned in the FAQ, in the same section (Misc Topics), merely a page apart.

We have two Ferkelbergers to consider. J.P. wrote the vampire part (he wrote the section overall so anything not otherwise attributed is from him) and Peter wrote the Gigadamage part. In the back, JP = Julius Rosenstein and Peter = Bill Coffin. The identities are pretty clear, not sure what you're talking about here. I never said Percy was JP, Percy (Kevin) is immaterial to our discussion since he did not write this FAQ.

The end is very clear "everything in this issue" .. "None of it is true". So if we're to say pee doesn't hurt vamps, we need some other source for canon. Perhaps it's in the online errata?

There may be cultures that see it as tonic, but vampires where not developed in such a environment. In fact sea vampires do not have that weakness, probably because they were originally based on a culture lore that lacked that, or the intelligence awakened on a plain that lacked that.

Simple holy water is water when it stops being water it stops being holy water. If you boil it into tea it is no longer water, holy water is suppose to represent a blessed substance that is connected by its culture with clean, so a blessed clean substance tea on the other hand seams to me would not be such. (Not to mention the act of consuming holy water is and turning it into pee seams like desecration removing holy power.) No granted my take on holy water is based on spiritual views, and as I understand it most faiths that make it have similar views. Now if you charter culture treated bodily waste fluids as tonic then you might have a basis for trying it but as a general rule such things are not the norm in rifts. So then it would be no.

To me this is like saying well the human body is mostly water if I punch a vampire does it take damage.
It is a metaphysical based weakness based on the culture that they are connected to.

[glitterboy2098]

vampire weaknesses are more alchemical than chemical..based more on magical/supernatural/spiritual traits, not atoms and such. otherwise it would not have to be moving water, or you could use reflected/artificial sunlight, etc. Urine is not the same as water in alchemy (Alchemists used it to extract Alkahest, a white powder also known as volatile alkali, a potent material with many alchemical uses, and one of the ingredients to a philosopher's stone according to some Alchemists.) Water was a totally different fluid by the quasi-magical standards of that discipline.

and frankly, by any rational standards you can't equate the two.

so no, taking a leak on a vamp is not going to hurt it.. it'll just be really mad, and way too close to a particularly fragile region of the body.

and IMO, being a Deity wouldn't change that.

[Tor]

There may be cultures that see it as tonic, but vampires where not developed in such a environment.

We don't know what environment vampires originated in or its practices. In terms of Palladium, that is.

In fact sea vampires do not have that weakness, probably because they were originally based on a culture lore that lacked that, or the intelligence awakened on a plain that lacked that.

Where can I read more about these sea vampires?

Simple holy water is water when it stops being water it stops being holy water. If you boil it into tea it is no longer water

I dunno, still seems like water to me, just with some stuff dissolved in it. Is a cup of seawater not water because there's salt dissolved in it? Is mineral water no longer water due to minerals? I think we need some kind of concentration % to judge when water lacks the required purity, otherwise no water could ever be perfectly pure.

holy water is suppose to represent a blessed substance that is connected by its culture with clean, so a blessed clean substance tea on the other hand seams to me would not be such.

What if I am a priest for a god who likes tea? What if, much like catholics drink wine for communion, my god demands I must drink tea?

the act of consuming holy water is and turning it into pee seams like desecration removing holy power.

Whether or not it would be viewed as descration I think depends on the religion and the deity in question. Based on some of the habits of Tolmet and other sadistic darkness gods, I doubt they'd have much of a problem with it.

Heck, doing a random search, http://www.theoi.com/Gigante/GiganteOrion.html says that Orion means "Urine of the Mountain" and that he was born as a result of Zeus/Poseidon/Hermes urinating on the hide of a dead bull. This is the demigod mention on page 79 of Pantheons of the Megaverse as being Artemis' lost lover.

No granted my take on holy water is based on spiritual views, and as I understand it most faiths that make it have similar views. Now if you charter culture treated bodily waste fluids as tonic then you might have a basis for trying it but as a general rule such things are not the norm in rifts. So then it would be no.

To me this is like saying well the human body is mostly water if I punch a vampire does it take damage.

That's different, because it's not the overall composition of an object that counts, but whether or not the surface that makes contact is. Vampires aren't hurt by water balloons unless they break, and humans are basically water balloons.

Probably a good guideline here, looking it up I'm reading "Plasma, which constitutes 55% of blood fluid, is mostly water (92% by volume)", so clearly the water content must be higher than that to harm a vampire, otherwise blood would harm them. Looking up urine though, I'm reading "Urine is an aqueous solution of greater than 95% water". So it does have a higher water content than plasma and is worth considering.

vampire weaknesses are more alchemical than chemical..based more on magical/supernatural/spiritual traits, not atoms and such. otherwise it would not have to be moving water, or you could use reflected/artificial sunlight, etc.

You CAN use artificial sunlight, it's just not as effective. Not UV, but stuff like Globe of Daylight or Guardians' light powers.

Urine is not the same as water in alchemy (Alchemists used it to extract Alkahest, a white powder also known as volatile alkali, a potent material with many alchemical uses, and one of the ingredients to a philosopher's stone according to some Alchemists.) Water was a totally different fluid by the quasi-magical standards of that discipline.

That's good to consider for mystic china, but alchemy hasn't been mentioned in association with vampires as far as I know.

and frankly, by any rational standards you can't equate the two.

I'm not equating them, what I'm saying is that no water is purely H20. They all have dissolved contaminants along for the ride, and urea and the like are just one of many possibilities here. Mineral water and sea water aren't water either, since minerals and salt are not H20.

so no, taking a leak on a vamp is not going to hurt it.. it'll just be really mad, and way too close to a particularly fragile region of the body.

We already established that you could just use it to refill your water guns (good way to recycle) which would be more effective than direct urination anyway.