drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The published canon rules in PF:HS are only relevent in other settings if the game's GM imports them to the game's setting.
The same is true of PF world books, or even any rules within the main book itself. ALL rules are only relevant if GMs opt to use them.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Even then those rules only cover OCC's. They do not cover RCC's, nor PCC's.
PCCs are a form of OCC. This has been clarified before, from multiple locations from in the main book of PF2nd:
*page 8 describes page 336 as "experience tables by OCC" not "OCC or PCC" or "by class"
*page 16 says "all others" get d6 sdc, yet many races refer to SDC as 'plus those gained by OCC'. Psychics obviously still get the d6, because PCCs are OCCs.
*Page 62 lists 'Psychics' under the 'List of OCCs'
*page 155 left says "PCCS ... characters of other OCCs". The use of 'other' means that they are part of the same group, that PCC is part of OCC. Otherwise it would have said 'characters of OCCs' or 'characters of other classes'.
*page 155 right says "master psionic characters, including all psychics OCCs or PCCs, need to roll a 10". This is clearly presenting PCC as being short for "psychic OCC". The term "psychic character class" can't mean anything else, like merely being an OCC with psychic abilities, because we know full well that classes like these are not automatically master psionics. Or is the argument that witches whose gift of power includes sixth sense also save as masters on top of their +1 vs psi?
*p157 "Psychic Sensitive PCC ... OCC Skills ... OCC Related Skills"
*p158/9 "Psi-Healer PCC ... OCC Skills ... OCC Related Skills"
*p160 "Psi-Mystic PCC ... OCC Skills ... OCC Related Skills"
*p162 "Mind Mage PCC ... OCC Skills ... OCC Related Skills"
*p289 (humans) + p291 (elves) "Occupational Characters Classes (OCCs and PCCs)"
*p293 dwarves "OCC Skill notes" adds bonus "in addition to OCC bonuses". You seriously taking this to mean that Dwarves with a PCC don't get these? Do you think that PCCs are unavailable to dwarves in spite of their standard psionics just because the initials aren't used here like for Humans/Elves?
*p300 "OCCs available to Goblins: limited to assassin .. and the occasional psychic".
*p308 "OCCs available to Trolls: any except psychic PCCs"
Also an interesting tidbit to consider. If one were to accept your proposal that PCCs are not OCCs, then someone with one of the 4 PCCs from the main book may actually use the multiple OCC rules to select an OCC. This is because, if one accepts your proposal, this is not a new/multiple OCC, but rather their FIRST and only OCC.
Since we know the knew class can be in the 'psychic' category, we know they are OCCs and thus can be switched to, or from.
The 'no multiple OCCs possible' disclaimer in PF2 trumps this, of course, but only for the PF2 version of them. People who are classic PRPG-style Mind Mages and Healers can most definitely still multi-class.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:(rifts note: Psychi classes are PCC's even if they are labeled as OCC (as of RUE) for the newbs to Rifts.
That's fine, because they can be both simultaneously. There is no distinction. PCCs are a form of OCC focused on psionics, which is why it is okay to describe them as either.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:So are not covered by the changing class rules in PF:HS. [Psychic occupational Char Class...PCC]
PF2ndWB3pg10 does not explicitly forbid changing PCCs, and it applies to them because PCCs are OCCs, as I have established above in numerous places.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The ones posted at the PB site are only optional, because they have not yet been Published.
Incorrect. They are as optional as any of the rules in the core book. They are fully canonical and endorsed by KS in the same fashion that the Russian Gods in the Rifter as as official as anything in Mystic Russia. Or the missing HP/SDC/PPE of Demon Lords in Nightlands. Being accidentally left out due to mistake or space limitations doesn't make something non-canonical if the company explicitly presents it as canon, which has been done with the OCC rules.