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Heya people, I got a question that my brother wanted to know the answer to. So here goes: How effective would the Eva's (from Neon Genesis Evangeleon) be in the Robotech universe in any of the sega's?? Also how would Protoculture/Robotechnology effect them?? Now, you'll have to understand that I'm asking on behalf of my brother (who's into both series practically relegiously and who doesn't have an account here).

Signed,
Rathorc Lemenger.

Well the Eva's are going to have a short life span when unplugged. But being at around the size of the original Veritechs (possibly larger - can't recall) they should be able to take quite on. Where the EVA's lack is long range weaponry, and quick movement. If a VF was working it, they could easily do well against the EVA.

Overall - I'd say even money - depending on if the Eva had formed a bond with its pilot.

Killing Ikari Gendo with Robotechnology is a hobby of mine...

Evangelion UNits are HUGE...in the 200-300 ft range; they tower over even MAC-2s.....It's pitting giants against midgets...Zentraedi mecha would be closer in size, and they're STILL frakkin' short compared to an EVA Unit!

The big problem is the Absolute Terror Field, but Robotech has its own reality-bending weaponry with Reflex and Protoculture weaponry...Typically EVAs use their own AT fields to open up an Angel to an attack, then ace them with some other weapon, so melee weapons are best and most effective, but in the series we see Angels blown down by particle beam cannons(powered by all of post-Impact Japan's electrical grid) and by super-sniper rifles...

Reflex cannons and Syncro-Cannons are at LEAST as powerful as that...
They SHOULD be able to punch through an AT Field and EVA armor without much trouble...Disruptors probably wouldn't work...they're calibrated for Invid forcefields, but they MIGHT work as well...

The big advantage the Robotech mecha have is not armor(a good smack by an EVA will tear apart the average VF) but their small (relative)size and agility....It will be like Puss in Boots tackling Schrek the Ogre....the VFs (or in one of my scenarios, Bioroids) can midget wrestler-swarm an EVA, cut its power cord, tear off its battery packs, and pry open its pilot plug...Against Invid, the JSDF 'disposables' would have a better chance of success than the three EVA Units...
And if the REF just decided to send in Cycloners...If they could avoid being trapped in Bakelite, Terminal Dogma is toast...

Verdict: Robotech wins!

The ONLY problem with taalismn's appraisal is that he didn't include what would happen in a scenario with EVA-01 having an S2 engine ingested or the Lance of Longinus. The fight suddenly becomes a bout of endurance where we hope Shinji doesn't go completely psycho (he does that from time to time) and make the EVA a truly unstoppable monster.

The Lance is a somewhat easier problem to contain, as it tends to be a one-shot weapon. Too bad if used, it's pretty much a guaranteed kill against whatever it hits. Although Psycho-Shinji has proven that he can summon the thing from orbit if he really wants it.

Contaminate Tokyo-3's water supply with Prozac then...

There are not enough sanity-inducing drugs in the entire Megaverse to cure what's all wrong Shinji, much less Tokyo-3.

"Veritechs are powered by Protoculture, an alien bio-energy source, of conditionally finite supply.
Evangelions are powered by Angst, of which Ikari Shinji has an indefinite supply of."

I forget where I encountered that....they also mention Gundams, NewTypes, and Hotbloodedness as power sources...

Okay...we skip to Reflex Warheads to cure that hellhole...


"And so it was, perhaps one of the most inane blunders in all tne annals of modern warfare, as well as of bureaucratic screwups, that Ikari Gendo neglected to check the existing geographical surveys when he 'discovered' the GeoFront beneath Tokyo-3, or perhaps it was SEELE's convoluted conspiracies that prevented one hand from knowing what the other was doing, or that the Japanese division of the UEG Robotech Defense Forces---the so-called UN SPACY---was so adept at secrecy in executing its own secret construction projects----that NERV was established in the mouth of the Japan Geo-ElectroThermalMagnetic Reflex Projection Assembly...The Kamikaze Cannon...Surely SOMEBODY in the UN SPACY must have looked out a window or down a tunnel and wondered who the HELL was laying down sod, a lake, and a city in the gun-muzzle...and somebody in NERV must have wondered about all the heavy power leads and military personnel wandering around in their basement...
Regardless of who deserved to be hung, it is perhaps just as well that Ikari Gendo's 'Third Impact' occured on the date of the Zentraedi Rain of Death..Though the Kamikaze Cannon might have taken out a substantially greater portion of Dolza's fleet were not its function impeded by the Terminal Dogma installation blocking it, arguably a worse global castastrophe was averted by the obliteration of NERV."

He, he, that was funny!

As fun as it would be to see a Hovertank blow up an EVA, I still prefer dropping Gunbuster, (Genesic) GaoGaiGar, or Getter Robo on them.

Gunbuster: Pretty much the prototype series for EVA, but with the underlying theme of "Anything is possible through hard work and guts!" That and the number of things that can go toe-to-toe with Gunbuster and maybe win (I am counting militaries and even then Palldium only has the Cosmic Forge in the "Errrrrr, possibly" category), I can count on one hand with fingers severed off.

GaoGaiGar: The deliberately designed as an anti-EVA series. The Power of Corage vs. the power of angst. See my signature.

Getter Robo: One of the problems in the EVA universe is that humans have stopped evolving. Getter Rays induce evolution, methinks that should solve the problem of third impact by avoiding it all together.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

I always thought 'Gunbuster' had to be the most bizarre homage to both 'Johnny Sako' and "The Forever War' .....Yah...I think a robot that wipes out entire FLEETS of alien space monsters(even without self-destructing Excelion battlefortresses) would make quick work of an Angel...Might have a tougher time of it against the Mass Production Evas dogpacking it...But Noriko has infinitely more strive to win than Shinji...

But I would so love to see the REF beating up on SEELE, or what the cloning chambers of a G95 Factory Satellite could do with Rei's DNA(what? Can't you see her as a Bioroid pilot or a Zentraedi? )

SEELE and the Robotech Masters...two groups of manipulative old men out to re-arrange reality to their personal will...

At this rate, I'll have to run a cross-over campaign. And not just EVA/RT either.

Still, I'd love to see any Robotech Force try to take the Space Monsters from Gunbuster. The REF would need to use Neutron-S missiles (the Shadow Chronicles kind) just to survive.

It would be epic...Three way battle between Space Monsters, Gunbuster, and EVA Units, while SEELE, JSSDF, NERV, and REF forces duke it out in the GeoFront...Toss in Rogue Zentraedi, Invid, maybe the Masters, and a demon invasion force just for kicks...

That would one heck of a fight! I'd pay to watch it!

Wow, that would be cool to see Rei, like that. And maybe she can be more of a force for good that time around.

I just have one thing to say about that, "LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!"

Noriko: Do you think you can hurt Coach's Gunbuster with such weak moves? *smacks Shinji away like he was an ant*

Kazumi: The enemy is firing from 3 o'clock high.

Noriko: Buster Shield! *blocks incoming reflex cannon blast and sends it through a few waves of Zentraedi and into Terminal Dogma.*


Yeah, maybe an REF, NERV and Gunbuster team up vs the combined might of the Space Monsters, Mechanoids, and Invid would work better than a free-for-all.

Consider the uncanny resembelance of the coach to Elvis! I always thought coach should shake his hips more often!

First step to working with NERV...
Gendo has an accident...preferably fatal...at least crippling(and removes his mobility and ability to communicate)
Secure Terminal Dogma(no point in somebody triggering another IMpact event)
Sedate Dr. Akagi(or at least weld her into a room...she IS the Weakest Adult Link...

Coordinate with JSDF...The REF will be good at this...Reflex ordnance and N2 weapons at extreme range...anything comes through it unscathed, sic the Gunbuster on it(Mass Production Gunbusters on the flanks) ...EVAs bat cleanup... REF forces stand local guard against infiltrators and conventional forces(like Invid scouts and raiders).

Of course, if your really want turnabout Epic..Ally the REF and the Invid(and maybe the Zentraedi) has the Haydonites make a surprise appearance!)

I wouldn't cry at Genod's funeral!

Given that each Anime universe tends to have their own physical laws, any cross over could potentially destroy both universes if they where not compatible in some way.

Yes that's it. It would destroy all participating universes with the cross over.

Unfortunately for that argument, the animes mentioned all run on extremely similar, if not the same, ruleset. The primary difference is tech level. EVA being the exception, but that's more metaphysics than actual physics.

I just have one thing to say about that, BA HUMBUG!

If you want to get technical Robotech runs off three different laws of physics. Scratch that, make it four with Shadow Chronicles. So, Robotech could probably survive a crossover with another universe.

here's a scary thought. that "orbital warp blast" thing done in SC was mentioned as taking the ship to another universe. of course, they got back OK.

what if they didn't return to RT, but ended up somewhere else?

Now that sounds like an excellent springboard for a game. I'm going to start doing one up now. Thank you.

I've already done the too a group of Robotech ships! Where they went too, I'm willing to admit it was another PB game.

I'm making up the other universe, not relying any PB-made material. That said, it is a common enough idea, I've just never seen it done using Emerson's Warp Blast Maneuver.

Used the Warp Blast to get a cast of SC and RM characters into a pocket universe....several centuries later, their descendants are dimensional raiders and merchants from the Dark Sun....

I say...Evangelion's 'Red Earth/Black Moon' ceremony...
"Holy crud! That's a DOMINATOR WARMOON!"

Oh no! Run away!!!! :The bards start singing about Brave, brave sir Robin!:

I've often wondered why the Zentraedi thought space folding within a gravity well was said to be impossible. What is shown seems to imply navigational difficulties.

Leading off that what if the SDF-1 did not Fold out near Pluto but well outside the Solar System? Or if other equally "impossible" events also happened because of the Fold like maybe multiple SDF-1s w/Macross Islands all defold at various points (like a few ST episodes with transporter duplicates).


True, but they are all regarded as taking place in the same universe in their RT version. So the laws would all be the same regardless of which RT chapter we are looking at.

Now THAT sounds interesting.

NERV Bridge Bunny: "What's that sound?"
SEcond NERV Bridge Bunny: "What sound?"
1st Bridge Bunny: "Like a rapidly approaching freight train.."
Gendo(High above): "Bah, freight train sounds are not part of the scenario..."WUNCH!

(SDF-1's missing Fold Drives crash into Gendo's command pulpit, killing him instantly..)

1st NERV Bridge Bunny: "Ah, I see...the sound of the other boot coming down..."

HA! HA! That was funny!

G-95 cloning tanks finish their cloning cycle and hiss open...
As if in synch, several hundred forty-foot tall Ayanami Rei/Zentraedi hybrid clones step out of their tanks to begin their new lives as terrors of the Megaverse...

Micronian-sized Asuka(standing at the end of the room): "...mustn't run away...mustn't run away...mustn't run away..."

One of the giantesses notices her and looks down...then leans closer...

Zayanami#342: "DOLLY!"

Asuka: "Oh schistz....RUN AWAY!!!"

NOW that is very funny!

I've already rifted meltrans and Vt pilots in rifts.Talk about munchkin.The Macross VT's speed,agility and ability to increase m.d.c makes them nasty.I also found out that most Gm's won't let you use Metal Siren's because of their munchie ways or mine.

Zentraedi Bioborgs(or worse yet, Biotics)...Now THAT'S Entertainment!

A lot of things from Macross II would seriously unbalance things in just about anyother PB game. Line up a couple of Phalanxes about 100 miles from Chi-town, and just let them rain their 168 long-range missiles at volleys of 14 (an AVERAGE of 1,470 MD per volley, and average of 17,640 per Phalanx). Most Rifts type stuff just do not have the speed to respond to such an attack, and if you guard the Phalanx with just a couple Tomahawks, The interceptors as good as fried. Can we say smoking craters anyone?

Scott Bernard with a Metal Siren...all those missiles...not a happy thought...

Evangelion Related Thought: Emil Lang vs Ritsuko Akagi...who wins?
You can choose the contest: chess, pipe wrenches, insults...

Actually, the Metal Siren has a similar number of missiles to the Alpha, the Siren just has the advantage of being faster, more agile, and still has some amazing firepower even after the missiles run out.

As for Lang vs. Akagi:
Chess: I can't see Lang as much of a strategist, and Akagi was part of the most labyrinthine conspiracy in anime. Gendo storms in and kicks both their butts, at the same time.

Pipe wrenches: I can actually see Lang beating her at being a bit of a grease monkey. He's designed mecha from the ground up, Akagi has only worked with her mother's designs.

Insults: The judges shoot themselves after insults along the lines of "son of a motherboard" get hurled. Draw.

I'll go with you on the chess...
Physically, I'd say for his greater age, Lang's in better physical shape...as far as we know, he has no vices...Rits smokes...She might be able to initially outrace him in a marathon, but he'll pass her when she stops to suck air...

Insults: Lang could ace her if it got personal....He's got ethics on his side; he's never really sold out or shaded the truth...Rits knowingly got herself stuck selling her ethics for a few empty nights of sex....If Lang wasn't above striking a few low blows...he could devastate her by attacking her professional ethics and pathetic choice in lovers...

I just had a scary thought: Shinji, as raised by the Sterlings.

He would be completely unphazed by Misato's driving...
He'd spot Rei as a clone/test tube baby right off the bat...
He'd put Toji in traction for attacking him...
He'd laugh at Kensuke's idea of military life...
He'd teach Misato to cook...
He'd interpret Asuka's aggression towards him as an expression of desire...or at least the perfect set-up for him dating her....
He'd dye his hair blue or green...
Giant humanoids would hold no fear for him...
He'd have a pet Pollinator following around(and annoying the hell out of Pen-Pen)
He'd spot Flower of Life growing in the GeoFront...
He'd salute Gendo, but would sell him out to REF MilIntel in a second...
He'd insist on missiles and more missiles on his Evangelion...
He'd ask for a motorcycle in the Entry Plug...
And a helmet for the Plugsuit...
He'd insist on an Evangelion that could fly...
He'd scoff at Jet Alone and wonder why they didn't buy a few dozen Destroids instead...

I cannot help but chuckle at that. He would also run rings around the other pilots and the angles would have a very hard time him. He would also insist on a giant version of the disrutor cannon for his Eva.

Of course, once Asuka found out who'd fostered him, she'd be constantly challenging him..."Think you're so hot because Max Sterling raised you?!"

Shinji: "We may not know everything about Protoculture, but at least the mecha don't try to kill you when they start up, or dissolve you into primordial soup when you go all out..."

Shinji: "What do you mean, Misato? Isn't coffee SUPPOSED to explode? It's the way my foster-mother taught me to make it."

What if....Unable to have a child of their own, Rick and Lisa Hunter adopted a Rei(maybe two, three?"What? You raising a Triumvirate?") instead?

Fuyutsuki: "Yeah, I remember when Henri Gloval and I would sit around in a harborside bar getting drunk off our arses, arguing the academic and military sides of various issues...that after a few more drinks, we'd wake up in the local hosgow for tearing the bar apart..."

Gendo: "Oops...wrong bridge...this wasn't in the scenario..."

Regis: "Looking around the Geofront)"I'll take it! Put some Flowers over there and there...and a hedge over there...a forcefield up there....and clean out the cellar!"

"Oh, look! Seven Mass Production Evangelions...Too bad I have fifty Zentraedi ships with positron main guns! Fire at will!"

Misato: "mmmm....a beer vending machine that follows me around..."

Cyclone Soldier: "Level secured. What do you want us to do about the aquarium with the kids floating around in it?"

Misato *evil grin*: No, it is. You're just supposed to give it to your actual father and any mad scientists you find.

Shinji: Actually, I did. Dr. Akagi has taken a sample to her lab, and gene-donor, I mean father, is supposed to be in the hospital for a few days.



Admiral Hunter: Err, about those kids. Lisa's looking to adopt so bring a couple to us and find the rest some decent homes.

I'm now having visions of Angelic Days Rei now having the Hunters play match maker with the Sterlings' new foster child.

Janice Em---Emil Lang's 'neice'
Scott Bernard---Emil Lang's godson...
Emil Lang's got a surprisingly big family for Robotech characters...for all we know he's the most well-adjusted of the whole lot...so let's add some more...
Asuka Soryu Langley---his 'daughter'..
Hey, Asuka's supposedly the result of mild eugenic engineering(a sperm bank in some versions), so it's entirely possible that Emil was asked to contribute in his younger days...Heck, maybe he even KNEW Asuka's mom, but for professional reasons couldn't pursue a more serious relationship with her...
Well, now he knows...And he's going to take responsibility for her...
Now, how might she have turned out?

Hmmm...

Less arrogant maybe?
Strange eyes..
She has to PROVE she has college degrees..
She HAS college degrees already, in PRACTICAL courses...
She can tell Ritsuko what changes she wants made to her EVA, and how exactly to do it..
She doesn't gloat about her EVA being the first production model...she knows that sometimes the prototypes have more bells and whistles...
She's building a friend in her room....
She's already hacked the MAGI, and knows what happened to her mother...
She gets occasional Protoculture-inspired visions from time to time..
She tends to lapse into a thick Scandanavian or Germanic accent when under pressure...
She takes no notice of Misato's bad cooking....pulling MIT-style allnighters, she's eaten worse...
She's had her EVA's colors changed from Red and White to Red and Gray...Blood and Concrete...
She socializes with the computer-nerds at a school...
She's building an EVA-sized weapon to taste in the garage of Misato's apartment building...
Her last modification to Misato's fridge put a beer can through the walls of two adjacent buildings at a hefty percentage of light speed..Unfortunately Pen-Pen was holding onto it at the time...

ROFLMAO! I see the madness has continued! That is good to hear!