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Sorry if this sounds niave, but what the heck kind of vessle was the Ark Angel that Scott Bernard took after the destruction of the REF fleet? The novels arn't alot of help, and the RPG is useless in this case...

Anyone know, and/or have a link?
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Hystrix wrote:Sorry if this sounds niave, but what the heck kind of vessle was the Ark Angel that Scott Bernard took after the destruction of the REF fleet? The novels arn't alot of help, and the RPG is useless in this case...

Anyone know, and/or have a link?


From the comics it's call the SDF-7 and looks like a larger Horizont which has fold capabilties.

IMHO, it could be an Ikazushi.
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Ice Dragon wrote:
Hystrix wrote:Sorry if this sounds niave, but what the heck kind of vessle was the Ark Angel that Scott Bernard took after the destruction of the REF fleet? The novels arn't alot of help, and the RPG is useless in this case...

Anyone know, and/or have a link?


From the comics it's call the SDF-7 and looks like a larger Horizont which has fold capabilties.

IMHO, it could be an Ikazushi.


I thought as much, but there is never any indication from the novels...
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Zerebus wrote:I think there IS indication in the Sentinel novels, when the ship is first introduced, but you could easily miss it.


Any idea when the ship was introduced in the novels?
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Zerebus wrote:
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Zerebus wrote:I think there IS indication in the Sentinel novels, when the ship is first introduced, but you could easily miss it.


Any idea when the ship was introduced in the novels?


World Killers, I think.


OK, I'll check it out...
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Zerebus wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
Zerebus wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
Zerebus wrote:I think there IS indication in the Sentinel novels, when the ship is first introduced, but you could easily miss it.


Any idea when the ship was introduced in the novels?


World Killers, I think.


OK, I'll check it out...


The thing is, it was when Praxis was exploding that the Ark Angel swooped down with order to arrest Admiral Hunter, but instead rescued him and the Sentinels.


Correct. Wasn't the ship hijacked before?
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Wasn't the Ark Abgel originally hijacked by Col. Wolfe?
Before he got sent back to earth?
I could be wrong, it has been like 10 yrs since I read the novels
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Wildfire wrote:Wasn't the Ark Abgel originally hijacked by Col. Wolfe?
Before he got sent back to earth?
I could be wrong, it has been like 10 yrs since I read the novels

nope, I'm not in the Habbit of Hijacking ships that dont Exist. I was sent back to Earth from Mars colony in 2031 to Reinforce the United Earth forces as we Defeated the Masters forces in Orbit. I dont Recall a Ship by that name ever existing. but many people seam to want to recall a story told by the Lunitic Mckinney as historical fact.
Until a Vidoe Record of said Vessel Exists.. I'm pretty sure who ever made if up is disproven by the video records.
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My memories of the comics are stronger than the novels, but the SDF-7/Huge Horizont Ark Angel was stolen by Wolfe to save the surviving Sentinels on the exploding Amazon babe world, but later after they saved Haydon IV they got large Haydonite tech curiser called.... the Ark Angel, which was large enough for the SDF-7/Huge Horizont to fit into the shuttle bay...
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:nope, I'm not in the Habbit of Hijacking ships that dont Exist.


Are too! *Holds up a picture of Wolfe standing infront of the USS Montana, with his famous pistol trained on the Captin.*

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I never read the comics I hated the art.
But I was sure that Wolfe stole the SDF-7 to rescue the Hunters.
I was under the impression that it was an Ikazuchi (or how ever you spell the damn word).
The Idea of a giant Horizont seems kinda silly to me
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The Artist Formerly wrote:
Colonel Wolfe wrote:nope, I'm not in the Habbit of Hijacking ships that dont Exist.


Are too! *Holds up a picture of Wolfe standing infront of the USS Montana, with his famous pistol trained on the Captin.*

:D


That was taken at a Fair.... the one where they dress you up infront of a fake back drop...
I have one of me Hi-jacking the Nina-pinta & Santa Maria from Colombus.... I even stole Leif Erikson's Ship in another photo...
The Funny part is the Events protrayed in the novels and comics are diffrent then the Macek Scripts....
Wolfe was Loyal to Hunter, Joined the Sentinels for a Short time... (Even trained the 14 year old Karen peen to be a hover tank pilot)
then Joined Edwards' Side after Lynn Minmie convinced him that The Liberation of Earth was more important then some Aliens who wouldnt want to help free the Earth from the Masters or Invid... (Funny thing, Edwards was Right.. none of the Sentinels Came to the Earths aide... instead they Gave the REF the Neutron-S Missles to blow it up...)
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Is there a web site with Macek's story line for the Sentinels?
If so can you provide it Col.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:(Even trained the 14 year old Karen peen to be a hover tank pilot)


*snicker* Wolfe said "pee"
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:That was taken at a Fair....


I'm sure that's what you'd *like* us to belive...
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Wildfire wrote:Is there a web site with Macek's story line for the Sentinels?
If so can you provide it Col.

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Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Wildfire wrote:Is there a web site with Macek's story line for the Sentinels?
If so can you provide it Col.

Robotech Art 3, you can pick it up for 3-10 bucks on ebay... i got mine for 5 bucks with S&H.... its actually a Good book... Even thou i dislike Macek... nearly as much as the Mckinney guys and Comics guys...


Didn't someone post a while back that Mckinney was Macek and some other dude who did the writing? I vaguely remember that.
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The Artist Formerly wrote:
Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Wildfire wrote:Is there a web site with Macek's story line for the Sentinels?
If so can you provide it Col.

Robotech Art 3, you can pick it up for 3-10 bucks on ebay... i got mine for 5 bucks with S&H.... its actually a Good book... Even thou i dislike Macek... nearly as much as the Mckinney guys and Comics guys...


Didn't someone post a while back that Mckinney was Macek and some other dude who did the writing? I vaguely remember that.

Nope.
Mckinney is James Luceno & Brian Daley... Daley Died in 1996... Its why i usually Refer to Mckinney as him... not Them...
but Macek had Very little to do with the Novels... he has Admited he was disapointed with what Harmony gold Let Mckinney turn the Show in to...
luckly the new focus of the Show is without both Mckinney & Maceks influence.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:
The Artist Formerly wrote:
Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Wildfire wrote:Is there a web site with Macek's story line for the Sentinels?
If so can you provide it Col.

Robotech Art 3, you can pick it up for 3-10 bucks on ebay... i got mine for 5 bucks with S&H.... its actually a Good book... Even thou i dislike Macek... nearly as much as the Mckinney guys and Comics guys...


Didn't someone post a while back that Mckinney was Macek and some other dude who did the writing? I vaguely remember that.

Nope.
Mckinney is James Luceno & Brian Daley... Daley Died in 1996... Its why i usually Refer to Mckinney as him... not Them...
but Macek had Very little to do with the Novels... he has Admited he was disapointed with what Harmony gold Let Mckinney turn the Show in to...
luckly the new focus of the Show is without both Mckinney & Maceks influence.


Uhhhh? Okay.
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AGGGGHHHH!

I just wanted to know about the Ark Angel, not get into a Mickinniest debate! :lol:
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Hystrix wrote:AGGGGHHHH!

I just wanted to know about the Ark Angel, not get into a Mickinniest debate! :lol:

but Robotech is a Mckinniest Debate...
Sionce the Canon Ark Angel was a Spherian Crystal Ship... Mckinney made it 15 other Ships....
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Zerebus wrote:
Hystrix wrote:AGGGGHHHH!

I just wanted to know about the Ark Angel, not get into a Mickinniest debate! :lol:


You should go seek out the Robotech II comics, then, or pictures thereof. You have to see it to believe it.


:eek: I see...
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Zerebus wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
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Hystrix wrote:AGGGGHHHH!

I just wanted to know about the Ark Angel, not get into a Mickinniest debate! :lol:


You should go seek out the Robotech II comics, then, or pictures thereof. You have to see it to believe it.


:eek: I see...


Of course, the scene with everyone flying into one of the colossal bunkers was the real eye opener. :p


So, it's disproportioned? Crazy...
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Zerebus wrote:This is what we've been trying to tell you all along, yes. :D

I've seen Images of the Comics GMU... aprently the Same Unit... Fiting a MAC2 in its bunker... then an later an Alpha taking up about the same room in the Door way as the MAC2 did...

for a better Illustration of Robotech Scale... the ABP-Z4 in the Rifter is over 70ft in height... and Uses the Same GU-XX as the alpha... the Illustration of it has the GU_XX about 3times bigger then the one the Alpha Carries.. even thou its the Exact same weapon.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Zerebus wrote:This is what we've been trying to tell you all along, yes. :D

I've seen Images of the Comics GMU... aprently the Same Unit... Fiting a MAC2 in its bunker... then an later an Alpha taking up about the same room in the Door way as the MAC2 did...

for a better Illustration of Robotech Scale... the ABP-Z4 in the Rifter is over 70ft in height... and Uses the Same GU-XX as the alpha... the Illustration of it has the GU_XX about 3times bigger then the one the Alpha Carries.. even thou its the Exact same weapon.


Yeah, but that was a Rifter submission. Far from cannon...
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Hystrix wrote:
Colonel Wolfe wrote:Talks about a gun problem.


Yeah, but that was a Rifter submission. Far from "cannon"...


:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh Hystrix, you slay me.
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Dairugger XV wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
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Zerebus wrote:This is what we've been trying to tell you all along, yes. :D

I've seen Images of the Comics GMU... aprently the Same Unit... Fiting a MAC2 in its bunker... then an later an Alpha taking up about the same room in the Door way as the MAC2 did...

for a better Illustration of Robotech Scale... the ABP-Z4 in the Rifter is over 70ft in height... and Uses the Same GU-XX as the alpha... the Illustration of it has the GU_XX about 3times bigger then the one the Alpha Carries.. even thou its the Exact same weapon.


Yeah, but that was a Rifter submission. Far from cannon...


True, but the version of the Z-4 that's in the Rifter isn't the one that was supposed to be sent (Basara will likely say as much once he sees this). Errata can be found on Stan's web site. Here's a direct link to the errata.


Cool. I had not seen that...
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Hystrix wrote:AGGGGHHHH!

I just wanted to know about the Ark Angel, not get into a Mickinniest debate! :lol:


Physically impossible considering that the Ark Angel only ever existed in the novels or comics that were based off the novels :)
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In the Novels It was Lang who stole the SDF-7/Ark Angel. He used Col. Wolfe to do the dirty work.
I had the comics showing it as a large Horrizont type vessel. However I like this version which has appeared here on the robotech post alot.

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Hystrix wrote:
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Zerebus wrote:This is what we've been trying to tell you all along, yes. :D

I've seen Images of the Comics GMU... aprently the Same Unit... Fiting a MAC2 in its bunker... then an later an Alpha taking up about the same room in the Door way as the MAC2 did...

for a better Illustration of Robotech Scale... the ABP-Z4 in the Rifter is over 70ft in height... and Uses the Same GU-XX as the alpha... the Illustration of it has the GU_XX about 3times bigger then the one the Alpha Carries.. even thou its the Exact same weapon.


Yeah, but that was a Rifter submission. Far from cannon...

Inncorect, Robotech is a Licensed Product just like the Comics, that means All the Information and Art work had Harmony golds Stamp of approval on it, Making it Offical RPG material. the Rifter may be a Source of non-canon info for the other Settings, but the Way the License worked the Robotech stuff was HG approved.
Plus the Rifter Atricles on Titan Robots is Offical material as well...
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Dairugger XV wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Zerebus wrote:Blah

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Yeah, but that was a Rifter submission. Far from cannon...


True, but the version of the Z-4 that's in the Rifter isn't the one that was supposed to be sent (Basara will likely say as much once he sees this). Errata can be found on Stan's web site. Here's a direct link to the errata.

The Issue isnt With his design, its with Breaux's Art Work... Stan's Errata (the only one i've ever seen for a palladium product, and its not offical) Makes the design match the Art... but the Canonical Version of the Vehical remains unchanged... HUGE gunpoD that's Suposed to tbe the Same one as the Alpha...
Methnks Breaux Drew the Mecha on Scale with an Alpha... forgeting to take into account the Size of the Mecha... The Art is good thou.
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Tetsuya wrote:The Mecha in question isn't canon.

It is "official" and "liscenced"... which are *not* the same thing as Canon.

When in the context of Stuff that appeared in the RPG, it is Canon. It had to go through the Exact same stuff all the other Robotech Books had to go though to be Printed as a Robotech mecha by Palladium books. (The Rubber stamp for HG's "Approval"... AKA thanks for the check)

Much like all of the Star Wars novels are "liscenced/official" they are *not* part of the Canon storyline.. LucasArts goes to great lenghts to keep the Canon Storyline and the "Expanded Universe" story lines quite separate.

Lucas arts is a bit Diffrent then HG's Rubber stamp Policy in the 90's... if it hd the name Robotech(r) on it... HG made it Offical & Canon as long as you published it (and paid HG) its the main reason Robotech Canon was a mess in the 90's, and why the Majority of Old Fandom hate the Corrections made to Canon by the new Series.
Paramount does the same thing with Trek.

Star trek is pretty bad about its Canon.... i dont have enough pages to List is own Continuity Errors in the Televised series & movies...

Same goes for the Ark Angel. Not Canon - but still "official" and from a "liscenced" source.

thats riht, its no longer Canon, Thanks to the Robotech.com Ret-Con going on since 2001.... Until 2001 it was Offical & Canon.... Just like the UN-Spacey Renaming the Planet Tirol Eden in a later Comic Series... & Zor Sending a Ship to Reinforce the Exo-Squad people....

please be aware of the difference.

I know the Diffrence... but the RPG is completly Removed form Robotech Canon... none of the Events/people/places invented in the RPG survived the Death of the Palladium's RT License.... but the Z4 is just as Canon in the RPG as the ROTM mecha and the Strike-Force Mecha invented by Breaux.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:I know the Diffrence... but the RPG is completly Removed form Robotech Canon... none of the Events/people/places invented in the RPG survived the Death of the Palladium's RT License.... but the Z4 is just as Canon in the RPG as the ROTM mecha and the Strike-Force Mecha invented by Breaux.


So, I was right, it's *not* canon. :P
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Not Canon Robotech, but its Canon Robotech RPG Material.
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