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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 8:34 am
  

Hey all,

Just wanted to be sure, I thought I heard or read references to the late 2020's I could be wrong.

Does anyone know when the Cyclones came into production approx. year?

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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 8:53 am
  

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My best guess would be that the "Battler" entered service around 2022-2023 with the others comming online most likely around 2025-2026. Also the first "Battlers" were probably only used as "lifeboats" for the REF Veritechs until it was shown that they had other combat and support uses which lead to the other two models being developed. Again these are just estimates.

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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 11:53 am
  

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Of course you have conflicts between the Official data and the RPG about whether the 38-LT was made first (Official) or after as an improvement on the more lightweight technology (RPG).

I say we make it easy (on me) and convince et3 of the navy that all of them were around when the SDF-3 launched. ;)


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 12:05 pm
  

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Well...

we know the old Coots from Ghost Town had access to CVR-3 armor (they were wearing it when they took that aging Garfish into combat). Since they came back at the end of the 2nd Robotech War....the Cyclone had permeated to at least a certain level (whether or not the armor came from ship's armaments magazine or not is a matter of debate).

However...there is the shot of Wolfe in Eulogy that shows him wearing the pre-Cyclone battle armor and it implies that this was during the Pioneer Mission's operations. Then there is the fact Wolfe on Earth has access to a Cyclone and CVR-3.

A compromise between these two could be that only originally were they used for Special Forces (as Wolfe was) in the 2020s then made generally available to infantry and pilots as reserve mecha (as Scott says in The Invid Invasion) in the 2030s.


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 12:20 pm
  

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The MTA-Titan (GMU), a large mecha transport/assault vehicle in the Sentinels (pg 114, The Sentinels RPG), is designed with Cyclones in mind. Each wheel is piloted by 6 Cyclone Riders. Also of note is the Horizont DTTS-12 (pg 94) that carries 12 Cyclone Riders.


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:17 pm
  

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FROM http://www.steelfalcon.com/Garland/index.html


DEVELOPMENT NOTES
(Extracted from ROBOTECHNOLOGY JOURNAL, March 2030):
Cyclone Series 1

Developed 2017, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Emil Lang and Dr. R. Burke. Modified RDF Motorcycle frame mounting hybrid gasoline turbine/micronized Protoculture cell engine. XEP-40 energy pulse cannon also tested. Both engine and weapon found to be satisfactory.
Number manufactured: 1, dismantled 2018

Cyclone Series 2

Developed 2017, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Lazlo Zand. Larger "Harley Hog"-style frame mounting hybrid gasoline turbine/nuclear engine. Minor leaks found in casing of nuclear power cells; problem corrected and model declared satisfactory.
Number manufactured: 1, dismantled 2018

Cyclone Series 3

Developed 2018, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Lazlo Zand. Development of Series 2, mounting XE-17 energy pistol. First transformation device test. Failed. XE-17 energy pistol exploded, killing test pilot and mechanical technician.
Number manufactured: 1, destroyed in explosion 2019

Cyclone Series 4

Developed 2019, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Emil Lang and Dr. R. Burke. Standard motorcycle design incorporating hybrid gasoline/Protoculture engine. Also called XVR-052A. Incorporated CVR-3 armor as part of transformation sequence; converted into power armor. Mounted EP-40 energy pulse cannon (X designation removed after testing proved satisfactory). Designated XVR-052A. Underwent two years of thorough testing. Declared remarkable success. Was chosen over Series 5 (see below) to be developed into REF Cyclone.
Number manufactured: 40; 2 destroyed in testing 2020, 2021; 3 dismantled for inspection 2022; 6 vanished mysteriously 2022 (investigation declared closed 2026); 29 transferred to SDF-3 before commencement of Sentinels mission, 2022.

Cyclone Series 5

Developed 2019, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Lazlo Zand. Large two-wheeled motorcycle frame incorporating hybrid gasoline/nuclear engine. Converted into robot. Mounted XGU-18 gun pod. Designated SMS-18A. Underwent six months of testing before being declared unworkable because of glitches in transformation sequence.
Number manufactured: 6; 1 destroyed in testing 2020; 3 ordered dismantled 2020; 1 placed in storage 2020-2025; 1 taken aboard SDF-3 2022.


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:52 pm
  

captain_Killern wrote:
FROM http://www.steelfalcon.com/Garland/index.html


DEVELOPMENT NOTES
(Extracted from ROBOTECHNOLOGY JOURNAL, March 2030):
Cyclone Series 1

Developed 2017, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Emil Lang and Dr. R. Burke. Modified RDF Motorcycle frame mounting hybrid gasoline turbine/micronized Protoculture cell engine. XEP-40 energy pulse cannon also tested. Both engine and weapon found to be satisfactory.
Number manufactured: 1, dismantled 2018

Cyclone Series 2

Developed 2017, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Lazlo Zand. Larger "Harley Hog"-style frame mounting hybrid gasoline turbine/nuclear engine. Minor leaks found in casing of nuclear power cells; problem corrected and model declared satisfactory.
Number manufactured: 1, dismantled 2018

Cyclone Series 3

Developed 2018, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Lazlo Zand. Development of Series 2, mounting XE-17 energy pistol. First transformation device test. Failed. XE-17 energy pistol exploded, killing test pilot and mechanical technician.
Number manufactured: 1, destroyed in explosion 2019

Cyclone Series 4

Developed 2019, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Emil Lang and Dr. R. Burke. Standard motorcycle design incorporating hybrid gasoline/Protoculture engine. Also called XVR-052A. Incorporated CVR-3 armor as part of transformation sequence; converted into power armor. Mounted EP-40 energy pulse cannon (X designation removed after testing proved satisfactory). Designated XVR-052A. Underwent two years of thorough testing. Declared remarkable success. Was chosen over Series 5 (see below) to be developed into REF Cyclone.
Number manufactured: 40; 2 destroyed in testing 2020, 2021; 3 dismantled for inspection 2022; 6 vanished mysteriously 2022 (investigation declared closed 2026); 29 transferred to SDF-3 before commencement of Sentinels mission, 2022.

Cyclone Series 5

Developed 2019, Robotech Research Center, Japan, Dr. Lazlo Zand. Large two-wheeled motorcycle frame incorporating hybrid gasoline/nuclear engine. Converted into robot. Mounted XGU-18 gun pod. Designated SMS-18A. Underwent six months of testing before being declared unworkable because of glitches in transformation sequence.
Number manufactured: 6; 1 destroyed in testing 2020; 3 ordered dismantled 2020; 1 placed in storage 2020-2025; 1 taken aboard SDF-3 2022.



All right now Bill I mean "Captain _ Killern" where did you get the mother load of info? I know you want one for this weekends game "obviously"

Also though your information mostly stipulates about prototypes info for the early 2020's our time line is 2020! In mentions nothing about main stream production.


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:09 pm
  

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I don't know if it was completely based on the imagination of the fans who made the site, or if they got it from some other source. Yeah It doesn't say anything about the mainstream production dates. I would assume it would be within a year of the prototype, if the protype was deemed succesful. I am of course basing this on nothing.

Anyway, if you haven't checked out the site, I recommend it fully.

www.steelfalcon.com

I am in no way affiliated with the site, and claim none of it as my own. But It is a really cool site.


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:27 pm
  

captain_Killern wrote:
I don't know if it was completely based on the imagination of the fans who made the site, or if they got it from some other source. Yeah It doesn't say anything about the mainstream production dates. I would assume it would be within a year of the prototype, if the protype was deemed succesful. I am of course basing this on nothing.

Anyway, if you haven't checked out the site, I recommend it fully.

www.steelfalcon.com

I am in no way affiliated with the site, and claim none of it as my own. But It is a really cool site.


I'm just razzing you don't sweat it! Drakhan Valane will half to figure it out, I just posted for him, for I always take the initiative!!!


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:51 pm
  

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Hate to say it...but Steelfalcon doesnt represent the Tv series at all. For one thing...Robotech: the Movie is totally outside the canon of Robotech. Ive seen it and find it hard to reconcile the 2027 date ending with the crashing of a Tirolian City-ship (movie) and the 2029 date of the arrival of the Tirolian recon force (Tv series).


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:03 pm
  

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Pro Munchy wrote:
I'm just razzing you don't sweat it! Drakhan Valane will half to figure it out, I just posted for him, for I always take the initiative!!!


Ah, you've spoiled it! I really am Pro Munchy! I merely post under different names to see if I can solicit different responses! (And so I can use more exclamation points!)

Eh, just kidding. :) Our group is going more by the Novels and RPG timelines and events than the official canon. The "official" info is used as a last resort when no other information is found. ;)


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:27 pm
  

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Yeah, I am not up on "official" robotech. I love the series and the game, but haven't done too much research on it.

I remembered that Steelfalcon had that little blurb, and it is the only one that I have seen, so I thought it might be helpful.

I am gonna read at least the southern cross novels though, as Ian recomended those.

If it helps me get a cyclone in tomorows game, I can "find" :lol: some more info that states Luitenant McGuire can have one. The ink might even be dry by tomorow.

Anyway, I hope a decision is made before the game. :thwak:

See you guys tomorow.


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Unread postPosted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:16 pm
  

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Has anyone seen anything that *doesn't* mention Cyclones when talking about Alphas? The REF Veritech Pilot wears the CVR-3 armour, has a Gallant H-90 sidearm, and is trained in Cyclone use. The Alphas have a cyclone storage compartment (which doesn't have much extra room).


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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:41 pm
  

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the wolf pack are a bunch of little girls compared to my players. during the first ground battle on tirol they wiped out the entire invid unit that had the wolf pack on the run, before the zentreadi even had a chance to to show up as backup. oh yeah, they did it without cyclones.

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Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
Well, we know the old Coots from Ghost Town had access to CVR-3 armor (they were wearing it when they took that aging Garfish into combat).


You mean the non-existant black marketeers? (Duweri, Rabid, I wasn't poking fun at you.)

Pro, more-er-lez in answer to yer ?, the Micronian P/A cam on-line early/mid teens, and the Tornado was on-line about the same time, so mid/late teens is more-er-lez your answer. Captain Killern (who?) gave us a date of 2019... TSAR...

Oh- I'm writing THIS bad, an' I ain evin drunk! :lol:

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the wolf pack are a bunch of little girls compared to my players. during the first ground battle on tirol they wiped out the entire invid unit that had the wolf pack on the run, before the zentreadi even had a chance to to show up as backup. oh yeah, they did it without cyclones.


no autograghs please :D


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Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
Well, we know the old Coots from Ghost Town had access to CVR-3 armor (they were wearing it when they took that aging Garfish into combat).


You mean the non-existant black marketeers? (Duweri, Rabid, I wasn't poking fun at you.)

Pro, more-er-lez in answer to yer ?, the Micronian P/A cam on-line early/mid teens, and the Tornado was on-line about the same time, so mid/late teens is more-er-lez your answer. Captain Killern (who?) gave us a date of 2019... TSAR...

Oh- I'm writing THIS bad, an' I ain evin drunk! :lol:


It's all good 'Andy" :P


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Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:35 am
  

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Munchy, you know you couldn't have done it without the Alphas backin' you up. :) And I still want a Cyclone.


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You mean the non-existant black marketeers?


Technically...the Old Coots were black marketeers.....but on Earth that had been dominated in large part by the Invid.


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Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:28 pm
  

In case I didn't mention it "thanks" everybody for your help and opinions.


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Follow Up: We got our Cyclones. :)


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Unread postPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:32 am
  

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Follow Up: We got our Cyclones. :)


I secretly slipped the GM a 50.00 "you owe me" not to mention I told him I'd take it easy on the Invid, NPC's & villains :lol: :P :lol: :D :lol:


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ha! the gm is incorruptable! (but it doesn't hurt to grease the wheels)

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