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Unread postPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 4:13 pm
  

Okay, I have a dilemma with my Co-GM about maximum weight allowences for Veritechs and how much they can carry whether ordinance or extra armor plating and still fly in Robotch Macross setting.

Now I've noticed it says as much as 30% but I have even seen more armor plating then that above the normal MDC on some Mecha in the books!

Now I'm not talking about the the Battloid Veritech for extra armor plating I'm talking about adding on extra armor plating to a Veritech like more along the lines of the SAP Veritech, but either on a standard or the Super Veritech which already has some extra armor plating.

I was curious how other GM's handle such situations on the weight armor plating issue.

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Unread postPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 5:54 pm
  

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Depends where the Veritech is going to be used. In space it wouldn't matter as much as it would on an Earth like planet. In space I'd say there is no limit to a certain extent, but when in a planetary atmospere I'd say the engineers probably hit the safe limit when they designed the fast packs. For more fast packs other than those listed in the RPG checkout Macross Mecha Designs fast pack page. Not all of them will be usable with the VF-1 but there are a few with optional weapon systems that didn't appear in the RPG.

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Uhm, the SAP is basically the Super Veritech of another generation.

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Uh yea....and the VF-1s cannot use the FAST Pack/Super Armor in atmosphere anyway. They also can only mount medium or short range missiles on their hardpoints (weight restrictions plus simple physics).


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Unread postPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:22 am
  

Well thanks all far for all and any input so far!

My Co-GM has found some somewhat useful infromation on the real Tom Cat
and can carry some almost 10 tons of ordinance. So whether weapons or extra armor plating 10 tons would be about the max. without tweaking the current systems.

But if anyone still has input whether good or bad by all means let loose!

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I know Rifts conversion book (ducks) has some stats on adding armor. I THINK it said 1ØØ MDC is the limit, but I cant be totally sure.

Beyond that, you mention the F-14 Tomcat can carry up to 10 tons; You should be easily able to extrapolate if a Veritech CAN carry extra armor using the armor stats section of Mutants In Orbit (ducks again).

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Ok, I do not have my books in front of me, but does it say in the RPG that the fast packs cannot be used in atmosphere?

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Nowhere in the RPG, just apply some common sense and look at the more technically minded RT websites.

The pods are un-aerodynamic as micheal moore in a toga.

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They would not apply enough thrust to overcome this? Not that it matters it does seem as if they would not be able to operate in atmosphere. I was just wondering if it was covered in the RPG. Never used them in atmosphere, just felt dirty doing so.

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Drag is one of those fun thigns that increase exponentially with speed. While the thrusters might have producedenough force to lift the Super VT off the planet, I doubt they would produce enough thrust to overcome the drag penalties the Super VT would incurr. It could probably have still flown, but I doubt it would manouvre well or reliably break the sound barrier.

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I know Rifts conversion book (ducks) has some stats on adding armor. I THINK it said 1ØØ MDC is the limit, but I cant be totally sure.

Beyond that, you mention the F-14 Tomcat can carry up to 10 tons; You should be easily able to extrapolate if a Veritech CAN carry extra armor using the armor stats section of Mutants In Orbit (ducks again).


Actually it's 200 MDC for large robotic vehicles, list it in the GM Guide and New West Books. But that still leaves the dilema of how much weight 300 MDC is and whether the Veritech could fly with it.


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Jefffar wrote:
Drag is one of those fun thigns that increase exponentially with speed. While the thrusters might have producedenough force to lift the Super VT off the planet, I doubt they would produce enough thrust to overcome the drag penalties the Super VT would incurr. It could probably have still flown, but I doubt it would manouvre well or reliably break the sound barrier.


Yeah kind of what I thought. Apart from common sense I was just wondering if I had glossed over that in the RPG.

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If you want to use the Super VF in an atmosphere I'd use the rules from Macross 2 for using the SAP VF-2SS. Max. speed in jet mode would be reduced to MACH 1.5, in guardian around 400 mph, and in battloid about 168 mph. I'd also say that with the boosters engaged in an atmosphere the rate of acceleration and climb would be too great for the VF to engage in any sort of combat. It would be like trying to do a loop in a space shuttle with external fuel tank and boosters still atached at launch. Just isn't going to happen. Reentering an atmosphere with the fast packs attached brings up a totally different problem as to whether it could survive the intense heat generated and if it is heat shielded what does the heat emited by the fast packs do to the unshielded top surface of the VF. This is assuming of course that the VF has heat shielding covering the bottom and edges of the fighter in the same manner as the space shuttle.

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Unread postPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 5:34 pm
  

well, it also says under the S. Veritech that you must jettison them before reentry because of air drag.


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I thought so too, but I did a quick skim over the VF-1 section of book 1 and didn't see it so I thought I'd throw the part of reentry in just to see other people's thoughts on the matter.

Ok I found it, only the booster/missile launcher packs need be jettisoned the arm and leg units don't need to be. With that in mind how much more manueverable would the leg units make a VF-1 be in an atmosphere since they contain additional manuevering jets, if at all? The book gives an additional +1 to dodge, pary and attacks. Now I can see a bonus to dodge, but the extra bonus to parry and attacks seems a little overblown to me since a pilot isn't likely to parry with a leg and being slightly more manueverable isn't going to add to a pilots own reaction time enough to gain another attack. Any other thoughts on this?

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The additional manoeuvrability would allow the Super VT to get into better attack postions faster... hence the extra attack. Similar reasoning for the parry.


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Ah, so it does say that the boosters need to be dropped to re-enter atmosphere. That would be a good enough "you cannot use them" argument for me. Sorry, but I do not remeber reading them from way back and since I am in the middle of a huge project they (the books) are still packed up.

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