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Unread postPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:21 pm
  

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:? i'm sure it's been asked before but have seen no lifting rules for mecha in robotech books plus alot of the mecha have no listing under there stats for strength. example: none of the bio-roids have strength listings.

if anyone can help me once again it would be great!!! :D


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Unread postPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 10:27 pm
  

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The bioroid worker is listed as being able to carry 60 tons. Beyond that, you really need to just wing it.

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So that's what, about P.S. 2400? :eek:

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So that's what, about P.S. 2400? :eek:


That's a HUMAN PS of 2400. It's a Robotic PS of nothing.... because it was designed before Rifts even had that Robotic PS chart.

That said, I recall that one of the major Robotech online fansites had a PS listing for all available mecha...

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Tinker Dragoon wrote:
So that's what, about P.S. 2400? :eek:


That's a HUMAN PS of 2400. It's a Robotic PS of nothing.... because it was designed before Rifts even had that Robotic PS chart.

That said, I recall that one of the major Robotech online fansites had a PS listing for all available mecha...


More like a Zentraedi PS of 2400 but I won't belabor the point :D

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Unread postPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 8:38 pm
  

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The Mechanical lifting Strength of the VT's is estimated to be something like 10.5 Tons, and a Press weight of Twice that.
Its mechanical crushing strength is rated at 650 PSI. (Thats like a Auto-Wreaker)
It's estimated mechanical "kickout strength" is rated at 14.3 Tons

Thats qouted from 3 diffrent sources - an older Macross VT Model, The Robotech Technical Archive, and the Macross Compendium

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Unread postPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 4:32 pm
  

For what its worth if you look in Macroos II it list Robotic Strengths for all the Mecha you could easily adapt Strength by comparisons.


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Unread postPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:03 am
  

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Ok....

in Half Moon, Zor Prime's Elite Commander Bioroid picks up Dana's VHT-1A Spartas....a 26.4 ton mecha. That is the only time I can think of in the Tv series where something like this occurs. Robotic Strength from Rifts should tell you what it is.


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Unread postPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:08 am
  

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Granted, those bioroids all had a myomer muscle fiber type internal structures (I'm sure Rabid could elaborate) that made them disproportionately strong for their size.

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Unread postPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 4:43 pm
  

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the info you all have given me is helpful, the lifting ability sounds good :D

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Unread postPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:51 pm
  

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MattBaby: Infidel wrote:
Depends what kind of mecha we're talking about... a blue 'Roid is just barely strong enough to kick your ass. A Green 'Roid is strong enough to REALLY kick your ass. And a Red is strong enough to kick your ass and the ass of everyone you know at the same time.


Yeah, but fortunately, 'Roids tend to burn out rather quickly...


....oh wait.... bioroids... heh heh...

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The Bioroids should all be very strong, IMHO, as compared with human and Zentraedi mecha, both of which seem to rely on classic hydraulics and gears.

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The Bioroids should all be very strong, IMHO, as compared with human and Zentraedi mecha, both of which seem to rely on classic hydraulics and gears.


Well...based on schematics seen in the artwork as well as in the animation, the Bioroids are built with a musculature made of some kind of an advanced polymer I guess (Louie calls them wires in the show). Its a good bet that all of it is superconductive to prevent heat waste buildup and stress on the internal structure.

Anyway, Zor Prime's Elite Commander model weighs in at 12 tons and picked up Dana's Spartas which weighs 26.4 tons. Thats 2 and 1/5th times the Bioroid's weight.


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Unread postPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:26 pm
  

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Ah. Yes. Wires. That explains it.
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I figure they're the same superconductive myomer fibers used in Battletech....

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I figure they're the same superconductive myomer fibers used in Battletech


The main exception to that would be that once you override the main control mechanism of the Bioroid...you can cause the muscle bundles to flex by simple body movement. We see Louie, and then Dana, wrap a cut cord around their arms and flex....causing the Bioroid to respond. A very ADVANCED form of power amplified body armor (at least that is what Dr. Sampson Beckett states).


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Unread postPosted: Sun May 23, 2004 11:51 pm
  

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There needs to be a Mecha Strength table, because Robotic strength just doesn't cut it, it would operate on Mecha Aesthetics, the cooler the mecha looks...the stronger it is.

Thus the Cyclone and the Old Veritechs are the strongest Mecha out there.


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Unread postPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:04 am
  

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I think that robotic strength works fine for human and slightly larger than human robots and power armor. Large mecha, however, need to be scaled up... but not just in robotic PS. To do that, however, you'd have to make a number of changes to the Pally system in general, and the balance might be thrown off (definately swung in favor of a giant robot that suddenly gets a times two modifier to its MD and MDC ratings).

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 1:57 am
  

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keep it simple the P.S. of the mech is not too relevant...the MD is already listed for there physical attacks...so just take the 60 tons at face value..assume that the mech's arm actuators are designed for lifting only...and that the tourqe generated by the mecha has no reall effect on its punch damage...


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