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Alright, before I put out my thoughts, you have to understand that I just watched a video about Cthulhu (along with the various creatures in the mythos) and it got me to thinking: How do I integrate the mythos into the game? Any suggestions would be helpful.

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i can see two routes open here.

route one is that Robotech occurs on the same earth as the lovecraft Mythos stuff occurs. essentially just tossing a lot of BTS type elements (cults, strange critters, forgotten lore, etc) into the standard robotech setting. i doubt that this would effect too much over all, it would just make robotech games weirder.

route two is to tie the mythos into the setting directly.. perhaps the Robotech masters worship the some of the Great Old Ones or Outer Gods. perhaps the invid are related to the beings of the Mi-Go, the flying polyps, or the great race of Yith. (or hell.. maybe are the result of what happens when Shoggoths made by the Elder Things are left to evolve on their own for too long) this route would include the kinds of weirdness from route one as well, but would drag the aliens into the weirdness as well.

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I know that I was thinking of something along the lines of your Route 2, but fix it so that the Masters're trying to replicate some of the stuff that the Old Ones did. Maybe even setting up a Zentradi version of the Deep Ones in order to mine/scout/take over ocean-based worlds.


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Cthulutech borrowed the idea of the Zentraedi for their cosmology, with an artificial slave-warrior race created from human gene plasm by the MiGou, to spearhead their attack on Humanity. Just as with the Zentraedi, though, the Nazzadi get exposed to CULTURE and came over to Humanity's side.

There's also the Riftech-style option; the Rain of Death blasted open a number of seals keeping the Elder Gods contained, and the whole downward spiral Earth's been taking is just prelude to them coming back. The Regis didn't just leave Earth because she decided Humans were insane; she sensed something REALLY mad and evil that would have had her children for lunch.

The Terror From Beyond Space option has the Tirolians being an experiment of the alien powers, like the Mi-Go, in messing with the upright apes, and/or unknowingly skating on the eyeball of the Elder Things. Maybe some of the resistance to the Robotech Masters have, in desperation, turned to long-forgotten powers for assistance. The Disciples of Zor might inadvertently become Cultists of Hastur or some other monstrousity. Maybe the Praxians are another Mi-Go experiment, or any of the Sentinel worlds are the sites of Elder Thing experiments.

(There was also a one-shot issue of the old Robotech comics that had a Zentraedi fleet, under Breetai's command, encountering an Eldritch Abomination, ala Event Horizon, with Breetai facing down a Meltraedi sprouting tentacles, floating in space with a helmet, and telepathically spouting gibberish)


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One thing I know is that it'd be interesting to throw in the Cthulhu/Lovecraftian Mythos. Maybe fix it so that there're Alien species that are the Mythos species? You could do it up so that Lovecraft had either seen the future OR somehow made a Telepathic/Empathic connection to members of those societies??

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Robotech masters (and to an extent the Praxians) could easily be a group of humans from the Dreamlands that ended up stranded on a world in the regular universe. (perhaps related to the people who conquered and settled Sarnath in The Doom that came to Sarnath. or even the very people of Sarnath, given the city itself vanished in that story)

and you wouldn't have to have any of the greater beings waking up to spook the Regis, IMO.. existing threats like the Flying Polyps might be enough.

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Spherians could be self-repairing, reproducing crystal robots created by one of the Cthonian species of HPL. They just don't know it.

The Perytonian homeworld is an obvious possibility for eldritch terrors like NightGaunts and Gugs to be roaming the cursed lands of that benighted planet.

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i can see two routes open here.

route one is that Robotech occurs on the same earth as the lovecraft Mythos stuff occurs. essentially just tossing a lot of BTS type elements (cults, strange critters, forgotten lore, etc) into the standard robotech setting. i doubt that this would effect too much over all, it would just make robotech games weirder.

route two is to tie the mythos into the setting directly.. perhaps the Robotech masters worship the some of the Great Old Ones or Outer Gods. perhaps the invid are related to the beings of the Mi-Go, the flying polyps, or the great race of Yith. (or hell.. maybe are the result of what happens when Shoggoths made by the Elder Things are left to evolve on their own for too long) this route would include the kinds of weirdness from route one as well, but would drag the aliens into the weirdness as well.

This sounds like a really good idea and I tried something like route one in a single scenario in old 1st ed Robotech game back in 1990 or so. Rain of Death broke open a crypt in Northern Europe, demon gets out, wackiness ensues. The problem I had was the characters knew nothing about about the monsters, no lore skills, so I had to use the old cliche of the old woman outside of the village to give them information. How are you going to deal with this?

Are you going to let the players start with or learn lore skills? Give them a Giles like NPC (Buffy the Vampire Slayer reference)? How are going to handle knowledge of the occult?

What about the PC's? This is Robotech so everyone wants use a mech, VT or Destroid, so are any PC's going to run a mage or psychic and not use a mech? Are you going to create an MOS for like a tech officer or military specialist that allows them to be occult experts? Are you going to allow people to be psychics, maybe allow them to have a few sensitive psionics in place of the special aptitude?

Just wondering how this would work from a character creation/development standpoint.

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Provide your Elder Things with the ability to corrupt Protoculture, so protoculture cells have the ability to spawn eldritch abominations.
Or maybe it's only a specific formulation of protoculture that will do so, or tainted hardware, Perhaps users of the equipment/powercell in question develop characteristics like the Flower of Life Addict, only more pronounced ('The Macross Island Look').

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Provide your Elder Things with the ability to corrupt Protoculture, so protoculture cells have the ability to spawn eldritch abominations.
Or maybe it's only a specific formulation of protoculture that will do so, or tainted hardware, Perhaps users of the equipment/powercell in question develop characteristics like the Flower of Life Addict, only more pronounced ('The Macross Island Look').

Maybe Protoculture from each planet spawns a different kind of abomination. Peryton & Garuda, especially if you bring the Hin in, could be very interesting.

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actually protoculture becoming corrupted was one of the elements that was supposed to be in the "Robotech 3000" series. it would basically take over the machine it was in, turn it into a monsterous thing covered in dark organic.. something with lots of tendrils and spikes. (basically look like the shadow hybrid ships from babylon 5..)

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Hell, the Macross Island enclave could have been constructed atop a Spawn of Dagon temple complex, or the South Polar Grand Cannon project could have REALLY been terminated by interference from a nearby mountain range(known in some unofficially annotated charts as 'the Mountains of Madness'). Shaggoths discovered in the basement?

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I did a few posters back in the day with a similar idea to CthuluTech. I called them Super Dimension CthuluTech: Southern Cross (the idea being the Zor Lords and ProtoZor from SDC: Southern Cross were Mythos-involved).

Location: Epsilon Eridani Star System
Planet: Glorie, Colony of Liberte (Proxima Centauri)
Year: 2533 (12 years after the events of SDC: Southern Cross)

In the more than decade since the unleashing of the ProtoZor during the war between the Zor Lords and the Glorians, the planet has become infested with the sentient parasitic plants. Many of the Glorians have succumbed to the sterilization caused by prolonged contact with the ProtoZor and have either joined the remaining Zor Lords as BioHumans and become bonded to the ProtoZor or created their own insular communities centered around the ProtoZor.

Most of those human Glorians who have not joined with the ProtoZor remain in many of the surviving arcologies and subsurface military bases. The Disaffected Zor mostly remain with the Glorians, though a few communities have managed to carve out lives for themselves in the harsh environment.

The Southern Cross forces are running low on parts for mecha as well as munitions, though the few occasional hyperspace supply drops from Liberte keep what remains barely functional. Occasionally, they will sally forth to do battle with the remaining Bioroids of the Zor Lords, knowing that each battle sees fewer and fewer returning as well as growing the BioHuman legions to pilot the Zor mecha. Forces stationed on the moons Arles and Alpha try to keep the communications lines open with their homeworld, having been rebuilt more than once after suffering damage from Zor and human space pirates. More and more they are having to adapt the technology of the Zor as their own fails.

Bands of disaffected Glorians roam the wastes of the planet and outerspace, looking for salvage and victims. Piracy and banditry are a daily fact of life for most inhabitants of Glorie: Human, BioHuman or Zor. Strange ruins, like that of the greenhouses near the ruins of Central City, are found in increasingly large numbers. Ancient cities, both Human and Zor, dot the landscape.

The environment, having long been terraformed by the Glorians to overcome the Ice Age conditions in the aftermath of the original war the Earth colony fought against the early Zor Lords, has begun to turn harsh again. The crashing of numerous City-ships during the last days of the Glorian/Zor War kicked up massive clouds of ash and dust, shrouding what little warmth Epsilon Eridani could give. The ProtoZor, at least for now, are not affected by the worsening conditions. Whispers abound that some of the alien plants have been able to take on vaguely human shape and attack those who molest them.

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The idea is to use Body Horror in a way that is seen (partially) in the original SDC: Southern Cross. There are actually all kinds of possibilities within the framework of the series itself where you can intermingle Cthulhu mythos.


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Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
I Whispers abound that some of the alien plants have been able to take on vaguely human shape and attack those who molest them. .



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Robo-thulu?

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Robo-thulu?

Forget altered mecha, I am most interested in what a genesis pit can do when it taps into this.

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Robo-thulu?


Gloval's wife didn't die; she went back to the Deep Ones. Gloval's nursed a grudge against Dagon ever since.

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I say nay; Cthulhu and a game about giant robots isn't a good mix; for VtM, or WoD, yes. Unless you remove all the Robotech elements from the game and place it in an alternate future so to speak like Patlabor, using only the Palladium rule sets.


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Thing is, Robotechnology comes from OUTSIDE(bypassing the Fugi of Yuggoth bases on Pluto). the Earth-centered Cthulu-stry realm, so it doesn't matter if it's a 'good fit' or not. It's extrapolating what might have happened if the outside element was introduced to the Cthulu grim dark we already love and know. Maybe it vanishes like a cube of sugar dropped in a bucket of boiling tar, or maybe it's a catalyst of something unexpected, that upsets the plans of even undying star-gods.

Or, to push the alternative ideas, Robotechnology is just another guise of some eldritch plot.


But if you really really don't like Robotech, well, that direction lies Cthulutech, which has elements of both Macross and Neon Genesis Evangelion stirred in>>>>.

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Pffffth. Everyone knows that the flower of life is an Elder God and that the Regess and Haydon are Great Ones trying to use the Elder God to become Great Old Ones.

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Pffffth. Everyone knows that the flower of life is an Elder God and that the Regess and Haydon are Great Ones trying to use the Elder God to become Great Old Ones.




That....has inklings of Elder God parasitism right there, especially if the Regess and Haydon are UNAWARE that bonding with the Flower of Life is letting oneself get taken over by an Elder God.

And so Protoculture/FoL-based Robotechnology is really a trap all along.

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Pffffth. Everyone knows that the flower of life is an Elder God and that the Regess and Haydon are Great Ones trying to use the Elder God to become Great Old Ones.




That....has inklings of Elder God parasitism right there, especially if the Regess and Haydon are UNAWARE that bonding with the Flower of Life is letting oneself get taken over by an Elder God.

And so Protoculture/FoL-based Robotechnology is really a trap all along.


Except the Elder Gods are those that August Derleth and others (not H.P.) has pitted against the Old Ones and usually depicted as benign toward human life. But yeah maybe FOL is modifying humans like Vorlons modified humans. "It's for their own good, but really we're just turning them into weapons for our war."

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I was going to say the same things...but why bother. The first two ideas I heartily support.

+1 for taalismn

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Cthulutech borrowed the idea of the Zentraedi for their cosmology, with an artificial slave-warrior race created from human gene plasm by the MiGou, to spearhead their attack on Humanity. Just as with the Zentraedi, though, the Nazzadi get exposed to CULTURE and came over to Humanity's side.

There's also the Riftech-style option; the Rain of Death blasted open a number of seals keeping the Elder Gods contained, and the whole downward spiral Earth's been taking is just prelude to them coming back. The Regis didn't just leave Earth because she decided Humans were insane; she sensed something REALLY mad and evil that would have had her children for lunch.

The Terror From Beyond Space option has the Tirolians being an experiment of the alien powers, like the Mi-Go, in messing with the upright apes, and/or unknowingly skating on the eyeball of the Elder Things. Maybe some of the resistance to the Robotech Masters have, in desperation, turned to long-forgotten powers for assistance. The Disciples of Zor might inadvertently become Cultists of Hastur or some other monstrousity. Maybe the Praxians are another Mi-Go experiment, or any of the Sentinel worlds are the sites of Elder Thing experiments.

(There was also a one-shot issue of the old Robotech comics that had a Zentraedi fleet, under Breetai's command, encountering an Eldritch Abomination, ala Event Horizon, with Breetai facing down a Meltraedi sprouting tentacles, floating in space with a helmet, and telepathically spouting gibberish)


And maybe Flower of Life grows best when fertilized with Shuggoth $#!+.

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The Flower of Life might be a favored race of Shub-Niggurath, "The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young," apparently a horrific fertility deity that spreads "life" everywhere she goes (at least according to Delta Green and the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana).

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Unread postPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:12 pm
  

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slade the sniper wrote:
The Flower of Life might be a favored race of Shub-Niggurath, "The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young," apparently a horrific fertility deity that spreads "life" everywhere she goes (at least according to Delta Green and the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana).

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Flower of Life grows best when watered with death. Hence why the Regis mentions(at least in the McKInney novelizations) that the Flower grows on Earth even better than on Optera....Earth's been soaking in death-energy during Human history, then the Rain of the Death, and the 2nd Robotech War afterward....

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Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:14 am
  

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taalismn wrote:
The Flower of Life grows best when watered with death.

Perfect! Taken for the Head Canon!

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