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A bit early to ask, but how does it compare to the RAW version?

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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I pre-ordered so I'm hoping to get it within the week. I'll try to remember to post a short review here.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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I hope there were tweaks. Although Im happy a new book is coming out, the RAW version didnt impress me as much as I had hoped. Especially with the magic spell list.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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I'd be intereested to know if we get new art in it. Otherwise, I'm that not likely to buy it, especially given the lack of spaceships.


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Got my copy today and it is very good. It more or less covers the liberation of the other worlds. It has a detailed timeline. A lot of new mecha and equipment that makes up the marine portion of the UEEF.


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Got my copy today and it is very good. It more or less covers the liberation of the other worlds. It has a detailed timeline. A lot of new mecha and equipment that makes up the marine portion of the UEEF.


Same mechs as per raw, or did they add a few more? Also did they use any of the file images?


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Got my copy today and it is very good. It more or less covers the liberation of the other worlds. It has a detailed timeline. A lot of new mecha and equipment that makes up the marine portion of the UEEF.


Could you post which mechs and occ's are there when you get a chance? Not detailed stats or anything but just the names.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Marine infantry occ
Mechanized infantry occ
Fleet corpsman occ
Storm commando occ
Marine technical officer occ

Karbarran combat laborer occ
Perytonian energy wizard occ
Praxian warrior occ
Trillion partisan occ

Garudan rcc
Karbarran bear man rcc
Perytonian rcc
Praxian rcc
Spherian rcc
Triolian rcc
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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Rcc in the book are more for the races special abilities and stat generation for the race and they still need to pick an occ for there skills. It also lists the races perfered occ's


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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smkeyes wrote:
Rcc in the book are more for the races special abilities and stat generation for the race and they still need to pick an occ for there skills. It also lists the races perfered occ's


Thanks for the update (and clarification). I'm glad to see that they put in a zentraedi RCC in as well; is there any tangible benefit to taking the "preferred" occ or are other ones just not allowed if they're not on the preferred list? Also, any chance you could name the mecha and ships in the book? I know it's a long shot but I've got my fingers crossed that the ZSB made it in.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Perytonian energy wizard occ


Are the spells just cut and paste basic invocations from PF2 and/or Rifts or are they tailored to Robotech?

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Kagashi wrote:
smkeyes wrote:
Perytonian energy wizard occ


Are the spells just cut and paste basic invocations from PF2 and/or Rifts or are they tailored to Robotech?


pg46 "The use of Rifts spells is left ENTIRELY to the Game Master's discretion, and he or she has the absolute final word on which spells can be used in the robotech setting."

There is a list of 34 spells for the Perytonian Energy Spells. So it is tailored to Robotech and the Perytonian race.


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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VR-021 Nova (Space Cyclone)
VR-024 Comet (Space Cyclone)

MBR-05-Mk.X Tomahawk (Destroid)
ADR-05-Mk.XIV Defender (Destroid)
SDR-05-Mk.XV Phalanx (Destroid)
MBR-08-Mk.VI Spartan (Destroid)
HWR-02-Mk.VII Monster (Destroid)
MBR12-Mk.II Valiant (Destroid)
ISB-02-Mk.I Golem (Battloid)

ZBR-01 Mk.II Infantry Battlepod
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FSB-03-Mk.I Daniel (Light Hover Artillery Platform)
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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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smkeyes wrote:
Got my copy today and it is very good. It more or less covers the liberation of the other worlds. It has a detailed timeline. A lot of new mecha and equipment that makes up the marine portion of the UEEF.



Still awaiting. I got a message earlier in the month to confirm the new date of my debit card, so I'm assuming my pre-order from WAAAYYY back is still on record.
So...eagerly waiting(and envious). Will truly believe when book is in my paws.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
Unread postPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:24 pm
  

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taalismn wrote:
smkeyes wrote:
Got my copy today and it is very good. It more or less covers the liberation of the other worlds. It has a detailed timeline. A lot of new mecha and equipment that makes up the marine portion of the UEEF.



Still awaiting. I got a message earlier in the month to confirm the new date of my debit card, so I'm assuming my pre-order from WAAAYYY back is still on record.
So...eagerly waiting(and envious). Will truly believe when book is in my paws.


I want to say they where shipped either Friday 7-24 or Saturday 7-25 due to when mine arrived.


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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smkeyes wrote:
Kagashi wrote:
smkeyes wrote:
Perytonian energy wizard occ


Are the spells just cut and paste basic invocations from PF2 and/or Rifts or are they tailored to Robotech?


pg46 "The use of Rifts spells is left ENTIRELY to the Game Master's discretion, and he or she has the absolute final word on which spells can be used in the robotech setting."

There is a list of 34 spells for the Perytonian Energy Spells. So it is tailored to Robotech and the Perytonian race.


So disappointing. looks like its the same cut and paste spells from the RAW edition. Should have been focused on technology and space, not negate magic which only works against other Perytonians. Unless you have a game where you are playing within the Perytonian endless battle, youll never use those spells again.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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smkeyes wrote:
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Perytonian energy wizard occ


Are the spells just cut and paste basic invocations from PF2 and/or Rifts or are they tailored to Robotech?


pg46 "The use of Rifts spells is left ENTIRELY to the Game Master's discretion, and he or she has the absolute final word on which spells can be used in the robotech setting."

There is a list of 34 spells for the Perytonian Energy Spells. So it is tailored to Robotech and the Perytonian race.


So disappointing. looks like its the same cut and paste spells from the RAW edition. Should have been focused on technology and space, not negate magic which only works against other Perytonians. Unless you have a game where you are playing within the Perytonian endless battle, youll never use those spells again.

Why should a culture that is thousands of years old.....be specialized to assist in doing the new modern thing the PCs are off doing and ignore their actual culture.
If they DIDNT have stuff like negate magic I would be horribly disappointed. Just because it doesn't help min-max out the PCs combat power in a game doesn't mean that culturally relevant stuff should be ignored......especially since there IS that whole 'endless battle' thing.....

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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VR-015 Spider (cyclone)
VR-017 Crusader (cyclone)

CAB-07 Walker (Battloid)

CVR-2 Personal Space Combat Armor

VR-021 Nova (Space Cyclone)
VR-024 Comet (Space Cyclone)

MBR-05-Mk.X Tomahawk (Destroid)
ADR-05-Mk.XIV Defender (Destroid)
SDR-05-Mk.XV Phalanx (Destroid)
MBR-08-Mk.VI Spartan (Destroid)
HWR-02-Mk.VII Monster (Destroid)
MBR12-Mk.II Valiant (Destroid)
ISB-02-Mk.I Golem (Battloid)

ZBR-01 Mk.II Infantry Battlepod
ZBR-02 Mk.IV Officer's Battlepod

FSB-03-Mk.I Daniel (Light Hover Artillery Platform)
IFHV-03-Mk.II Archon (infantry Transport & Fighting Hover Vehicle)
Titan (G.M.U.)


Thanks for the list. I'm a bit disappointed that my ZSB favorite didn't make it in but I'm not surprised. Is the reason the first few mecha you listed are in there again? Are they not in the manga size initial release? I know they're in the hardback version which has some new stuff but I'm not sure if those are part of the new stuff. I sold the manga sized books as they were horribly not functional as rpg rulebooks.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Yeah, why reprint stuff? The books are not that big as they are, and we could have gotten the still very missed spaceships. Or the Tiger Destroid (which is CANON in Wildstorm).

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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MBR-05-Mk.X Tomahawk (Destroid)
ADR-05-Mk.XIV Defender (Destroid)
SDR-05-Mk.XV Phalanx (Destroid)
MBR-08-Mk.VI Spartan (Destroid)
HWR-02-Mk.VII Monster (Destroid)


:sigh:

I swear to God, what is it with Palladium consistently screwing up the naming conventions of the Robotech mecha? The 1st Edition used the wrong names for The Macross Saga Destroids. Now, the 2nd Edition uses the wrong names for The Sentinels Destroids. For crying out loud, there was NO REASON to use the SDF Macross names for the REF models (especially when you consider the Macross II Destroids use those same designations).


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Kagashi wrote:
Yeah, why reprint stuff? The books are not that big as they are, and we could have gotten the still very missed spaceships. Or the Tiger Destroid (which is CANON in Wildstorm).


While I'm not happy to see a couple of reprinted mecha but I do understand IF they're not in the manga sized version. I'm not sure that is the case which is why I asked since I haven't had mine for a long time.

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I swear to God, what is it with Palladium consistently screwing up the naming conventions of the Robotech mecha? The 1st Edition used the wrong names for The Macross Saga Destroids. Now, the 2nd Edition uses the wrong names for The Sentinels Destroids. For crying out loud, there was NO REASON to use the SDF Macross names for the REF models (especially when you consider the Macross II Destroids use those same designations).


I disagree. They made the decision to stick with the Japanese names and they're just being consistent with their successors. The sentinels destroids had the same names as their direct macross predecessors as well. Macross II doesn't exist in the Harmony Gold universe and therefore doesn't exist in Palladium's license.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
I swear to God, what is it with Palladium consistently screwing up the naming conventions of the Robotech mecha? The 1st Edition used the wrong names for The Macross Saga Destroids. Now, the 2nd Edition uses the wrong names for The Sentinels Destroids. For crying out loud, there was NO REASON to use the SDF Macross names for the REF models (especially when you consider the Macross II Destroids use those same designations).


I disagree. They made the decision to stick with the Japanese names and they're just being consistent with their successors. The sentinels destroids had the same names as their direct macross predecessors as well. Macross II doesn't exist in the Harmony Gold universe and therefore doesn't exist in Palladium's license.

Not sure what the problem is, myself... the Macross II RPG used completely made-up designations for the destroids due to them not having any in the source material (AAV-something) and their names are different too. They were the Tomahawk II, Defender EX, Phalanx Custom, and Giant Monster... which is certainly sufficiently different from the "increment the series number" approach in the Marines book.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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The sentinels destroids had the same names as their direct macross predecessors as well.


Oh really? That's funny because in no officially published literature (Robotech Art 3, Robotech Script Book 1&2, Robotech DVD Extras) do they EVER show The Sentinels Destroids using the same names as those of SDF Macross (excepting for the Spartan, which is also called the Shark, being the REF variant of the Phalanx). If you happen to have proof otherwise.....

And just so anyone actually thinks I'm being an idiot, from The Sentinels Script Book 2


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The sentinels destroids had the same names as their direct macross predecessors as well.


Oh really? That's funny because in no officially published literature (Robotech Art 3, Robotech Script Book 1&2, Robotech DVD Extras) do they EVER show The Sentinels Destroids using the same names as those of SDF Macross (excepting for the Spartan, which is also called the Shark, being the REF variant of the Phalanx). If you happen to have proof otherwise.....


Take a look in your Sentinels RPG book. Perhaps I wasn't exactly clear but that is what I was referring to. In the 1st ed RPG, the Sentinels mecha had the same names as the Macross RPG ones. They've now changed the Macross RPG destroid names to match the Japanese ones and the "Marines" defacto sentinels versions yet again have the same names as their predecessors. It really is the simplest solution to naming them.

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Take a look in your Sentinels RPG book. Perhaps I wasn't exactly clear but that is what I was referring to. In the 1st ed RPG, the Sentinels mecha had the same names as the Macross RPG ones. They've now changed the Macross RPG destroid names to match the Japanese ones and the "Marines" defacto sentinels versions yet again have the same names as their predecessors. Got it?


Uh, no they didn't. They had what are generally referred to as the "Matchbox" names. The 1st Edition RPG had the Class of Vehicle as SDF Macross name, not the actual vehicle itself. Besides, its irrelevant. The Sentinels names for the various Destroids were different than those used in The Macross Saga (which followed those of SDF Macross and did NOT use the Matchbox names). Again, there was simply no reason for these mecha to use the SDF Macross designations. All it does is muddle things and confuse the issue.


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Never mind. I just got a look at the new "Defender" and its a fragging atrocity. It looks like some idiot cobbled together the Raider with an Alpha. It totally deserves to be called a Defender now. I take back everything I said..... :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust:


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Never mind. I just got a look at the new "Defender" and its a fragging atrocity. It looks like some idiot cobbled together the Raider with an Alpha. It totally deserves to be called a Defender now. I take back everything I said..... :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust: :frust:


So for the stuff that had art in the IMAI files (like the space cyclones), did they just use the existing art, make their own based on the IMAI stuff, or come up with completely different looks?

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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So for the stuff that had art in the IMAI files (like the space cyclones), did they just use the existing art, make their own based on the IMAI stuff, or come up with completely different looks?


They used the IMAI files, but rendered new versions. Its not a trace of the designs, but you can clearly see where they got the idea for the various new "Destroids". The new Monster is clearly based on the MOSPEADA preproduction TLEAD, for example.


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So for the stuff that had art in the IMAI files (like the space cyclones), did they just use the existing art, make their own based on the IMAI stuff, or come up with completely different looks?


They used the IMAI files, but rendered new versions. Its not a trace of the designs, but you can clearly see where they got the idea for the various new "Destroids". The new Monster is clearly based on the MOSPEADA preproduction TLEAD, for example.


Ah, thanks. I know what to expect (unfortunately) from Palladium ruleswise but the art is more commonly a wildcard that is sometimes really good (Robotech Tactics and Macross RPG) and sometimes really bad (Genesis Pits and New Gen). The Robotech Tactics kickstarter has taught me not to give palladium money sight unseen upfront for products so I'll have to wait to see if anyone does a review with pics sometime in the future since no stores by me stock palladium RPG books by their own volition.

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Storm commando occ
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I might be wrong... but doesn't Lucas/Disney own the name Storm Commando? You know the ones from the old WEG Star Wars RPG and subsequent RPG's?


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
Unread postPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:38 pm
  

OK, bear with me .. as I've no chance in hell getting the the Marines Book any time soon (I'm in Asia).

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ZBR-10 MK.I Bioroid Interceptor
MBR-12 MK.II Condor
SF/A-5 Conbat


Ok, these are reprints of the existing designs from the RT RPG 2nd ED.

Quote:
CVR-1 Personal Envieonmental combat Armor


Does this armor taken from the Imai files? Is it compatible with Cyclone series?

Quote:
VR-011 Rifleman (cyclone)
VR-015 Spider (cyclone)
VR-017 Crusader (cyclone)


VR-010 series Cyclone, right? Are they from the Imai Files?

Quote:
CAB-07 Walker (Battloid)


Could this be that space power armor from the Imai Files?

Quote:
CVR-2 Personal Space Combat Armor


Ok, this could be from the Imai Files. Should corresponds with various CVR armors from Imai Files.

Quote:
VR-021 Nova (Space Cyclone)
VR-024 Comet (Space Cyclone)


Again, are these from the Imai Files, or completely a redesign?

Quote:
MBR-05-Mk.X Tomahawk (Destroid)
ADR-05-Mk.XIV Defender (Destroid)
SDR-05-Mk.XV Phalanx (Destroid)
MBR-08-Mk.VI Spartan (Destroid)
HWR-02-Mk.VII Monster (Destroid)


Aahhhh, the return of the ole, Sentinels Destroids, right?

Quote:
MBR12-Mk.II Valiant (Destroid)
ISB-02-Mk.I Golem (Battloid)
FSB-03-Mk.I Daniel (Light Hover Artillery Platform)


Again, sounds like those from the Imai Files mecha designs.

Quote:
ZBR-01 Mk.II Infantry Battlepod
ZBR-02 Mk.IV Officer's Battlepod


The return of Z-series Sentinels Battlepods, right?

Quote:
IFHV-03-Mk.II Archon (infantry Transport & Fighting Hover Vehicle)


OOOkayyy, this could be a new design altogether from the feel of it.

Quote:
Titan (G.M.U.)


The ole GMU. Another comeback of the Sentinels classic design, yes?


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
Unread postPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:50 pm
  

While we are at it, how about giving us a general guideline on the UEEF Marines timeline as appeared in the sourcebook, important events like:

1) When did UEEF finally stumbled onto Tyrol?

2) Who did UEEF fought during the years it spend while searching for Tyrol?

3) The exact date of the actual Sentinel campaign, from liberation of Tyrol to the final showdown on Optera against both TR Edwards / Regent (as per PTTSC)?


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Protoculture wrote:
While we are at it, how about giving us a general guideline on the UEEF Marines timeline as appeared in the sourcebook, important events like:

1) When did UEEF finally stumbled onto Tyrol?

2) Who did UEEF fought during the years it spend while searching for Tyrol?

3) The exact date of the actual Sentinel campaign, from liberation of Tyrol to the final showdown on Optera against both TR Edwards / Regent (as per PTTSC)?


yes. it would be nice to know if it matches the official HG timeline material. especially since the RAW version had some issues with that.

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Tiree wrote:
smkeyes wrote:
Marine infantry occ
Mechanized infantry occ
Fleet corpsman occ
Storm commando occ
Marine technical officer occ


I might be wrong... but doesn't Lucas/Disney own the name Storm Commando? You know the ones from the old WEG Star Wars RPG and subsequent RPG's?


Not really, without getting into too much, Storm Commando is a really generic name that would be hard to cover with copyright or trademark.


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It looks like some preview art pics have hit the internet overnight. Is that light pencil sketch style Chuck Walton's signature look? I like the designs but they frankly don't feel very robotech nor finished. The rushed light pencil sketch doesn't really jive with the previous polished and shaded robotech art in other books and feels rushed comparitively (which given the production history of this book wouldn't be surprising). Also, the destroids I've seen posted feel more gundam/armored core appropriate than Robotech. There are some (occasionally overused) Robotech features like the heads (all destroids have tiny heads now?) and shoulders from the alpha (along with some older veritech forearms and elbows occasionally) but the rest is more "other" anime to me personally. I'll have to reserve my final judgement for when/if I see the zentraedi pods and cyclones but so far I have mixed feelings about what I've seen.

Don't get me wrong, I like the overall base concept of the mechs in the art.. but it feels half done and if it were ever finished more in character with and appropriate for a Rifts title like a NG or NGR book than Robotech. The art in the first few robotech RPG books actually suprised and impressed me in its quality (especially the macross book) but Genesis Pits was a big let down and now the next follow up feels a bit off sadly compared to those as well. In the end, it's just an opinion (and one not yet cemented in stone since I haven't seen the other art).

Also, the new MAC Monster version looks like it was ironically straight up inspired by the new Tau Titan for Warhammer 40k which was in turn inspired by the original macross MAC Monster. It would make for one heck of a support unit to back up some crisis suits or NGR Jaegers!

http://www.kamui.co.uk/wp-content/uploa ... wr0tqg.jpg

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Yes Bielmic, I like aspects of this book too, but I also have issues with the new Destroid art. They seem more like Frankemecha to me. I'm sticking with the original REF designs (I like those...but I'm also nostalgia biased). The new battle pods also have Alpha Fighter design references. I think I like the Infantry Pod (it's growing on me) but the Officers pod is a bit much for my tastes. I do wish they had updated the look of the GMU to be more in line with its capabilities. Still, the book will be useful as sourcebook for me. No huge regrets.

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tobefrnk wrote:
Yes Bielmic, I like aspects of this book too, but I also have issues with the new Destroid art. They seem more like Frankemecha to me. I'm sticking with the original REF designs (I like those...but I'm also nostalgia biased). The new battle pods also have Alpha Fighter design references. I think I like the Infantry Pod (it's growing on me) but the Officers pod is a bit much for my tastes. I do wish they had updated the look of the GMU to be more in line with its capabilities. Still, the book will be useful as sourcebook for me. No huge regrets.


They changed the look of the zentraedi pods to be more alpha-ish? That does have me worried a bit more then. Ironically, the one mech that already had alpha inspired design features (the zentraedi striker battloid) didn't make it in. Are the space cyclones significantly changed from their IMAI roots with added alpha features?

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Has the Marines ended up 2nd ed version of 1st ed's Sentinels book?

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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Has the Marines ended up 2nd ed version of 1st ed's Sentinels book?


Not really....


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bielmic wrote:
It looks like some preview art pics have hit the internet overnight. Is that light pencil sketch style Chuck Walton's signature look? I like the designs but they frankly don't feel very robotech nor finished. The rushed light pencil sketch doesn't really jive with the previous polished and shaded robotech art in other books and feels rushed comparitively (which given the production history of this book wouldn't be surprising). Also, the destroids I've seen posted feel more gundam/armored core appropriate than Robotech. There are some (occasionally overused) Robotech features like the heads (all destroids have tiny heads now?) and shoulders from the alpha (along with some older veritech forearms and elbows occasionally) but the rest is more "other" anime to me personally. I'll have to reserve my final judgement for when/if I see the zentraedi pods and cyclones but so far I have mixed feelings about what I've seen.

Don't get me wrong, I like the overall base concept of the mechs in the art.. but it feels half done and if it were ever finished more in character with and appropriate for a Rifts title like a NG or NGR book than Robotech. The art in the first few robotech RPG books actually suprised and impressed me in its quality (especially the macross book) but Genesis Pits was a big let down and now the next follow up feels a bit off sadly compared to those as well. In the end, it's just an opinion (and one not yet cemented in stone since I haven't seen the other art).

Also, the new MAC Monster version looks like it was ironically straight up inspired by the new Tau Titan for Warhammer 40k which was in turn inspired by the original macross MAC Monster. It would make for one heck of a support unit to back up some crisis suits or NGR Jaegers!

http://www.kamui.co.uk/wp-content/uploa ... wr0tqg.jpg


Meh, would have been better if they re-designated them as Battloids. I would understand them using the alpha as a template so that parts can be switched out or easily manufactured parts across the board (cause really they are far from home so to me that's what I would do).

As for Chucks work his has always been sort of a sketch look to his art.


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The new "Destroids" only make sense if they're chopped up Improvised Mecha Units that The Resistance cobbled together on Invid Occupied Earth. They're completely and totally wrong for mecha that actually rolled off an assembly line at Space Station Liberty or any other Factory Satellite. Yes, the original Battloids from The Sentinels needed some polishing, but this was literally peeing in the tub and then throwing the baby out with the bathwater....


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mech798 wrote:
Tiree wrote:
smkeyes wrote:
Marine infantry occ
Mechanized infantry occ
Fleet corpsman occ
Storm commando occ
Marine technical officer occ


I might be wrong... but doesn't Lucas/Disney own the name Storm Commando? You know the ones from the old WEG Star Wars RPG and subsequent RPG's?


Not really, without getting into too much, Storm Commando is a really generic name that would be hard to cover with copyright or trademark.

I disagree - apparently PB decided not to use a name of a Mech for Northern Gun that they had initially planned on from a Preview. They were too concerned of the name being too close to another Mech based game that had lost a law suit to Harmony Gold a few years back.


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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Protoculture wrote:
OK, bear with me .. as I've no chance in hell getting the the Marines Book any time soon (I'm in Asia).

smkeyes wrote:
Mecha & Vechiles
ZBR-10 MK.I Bioroid Interceptor
MBR-12 MK.II Condor
SF/A-5 Conbat


Ok, these are reprints of the existing designs from the RT RPG 2nd ED.

Quote:
CVR-1 Personal Envieonmental combat Armor


Does this armor taken from the Imai files? Is it compatible with Cyclone series?

Quote:
VR-011 Rifleman (cyclone)
VR-015 Spider (cyclone)
VR-017 Crusader (cyclone)


VR-010 series Cyclone, right? Are they from the Imai Files?

Quote:
CAB-07 Walker (Battloid)


Could this be that space power armor from the Imai Files?

Quote:
CVR-2 Personal Space Combat Armor


Ok, this could be from the Imai Files. Should corresponds with various CVR armors from Imai Files.

Quote:
VR-021 Nova (Space Cyclone)
VR-024 Comet (Space Cyclone)


Again, are these from the Imai Files, or completely a redesign?

Quote:
MBR-05-Mk.X Tomahawk (Destroid)
ADR-05-Mk.XIV Defender (Destroid)
SDR-05-Mk.XV Phalanx (Destroid)
MBR-08-Mk.VI Spartan (Destroid)
HWR-02-Mk.VII Monster (Destroid)


Aahhhh, the return of the ole, Sentinels Destroids, right?

Quote:
MBR12-Mk.II Valiant (Destroid)
ISB-02-Mk.I Golem (Battloid)
FSB-03-Mk.I Daniel (Light Hover Artillery Platform)


Again, sounds like those from the Imai Files mecha designs.

Quote:
ZBR-01 Mk.II Infantry Battlepod
ZBR-02 Mk.IV Officer's Battlepod


The return of Z-series Sentinels Battlepods, right?

Quote:
IFHV-03-Mk.II Archon (infantry Transport & Fighting Hover Vehicle)


OOOkayyy, this could be a new design altogether from the feel of it.

Quote:
Titan (G.M.U.)


The ole GMU. Another comeback of the Sentinels classic design, yes?


the CVR-1 and the CVR-2 body armors is also the body armor that needs to be worn with either the VR-010 or the VR-020 series of cyclones.


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
Unread postPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:32 pm
  

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Protoculture wrote:
While we are at it, how about giving us a general guideline on the UEEF Marines timeline as appeared in the sourcebook, important events like:

1) When did UEEF finally stumbled onto Tyrol?

2) Who did UEEF fought during the years it spend while searching for Tyrol?

3) The exact date of the actual Sentinel campaign, from liberation of Tyrol to the final showdown on Optera against both TR Edwards / Regent (as per PTTSC)?


1) UEEF fleet arrived at Tyrol in 2025

2) Nobody


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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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per the fluff for the bioroid interceptor in the main book, they did fight. enough that the zentreadi were getting dreadfully short of battlepods by the time they reached tyrol.

presumably the enemies they fought were remnants of the zentreadi grand fleet, and surviving master's border forces.

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 Post subject: Re: New Marine Book
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smkeyes wrote:
Protoculture wrote:
While we are at it, how about giving us a general guideline on the UEEF Marines timeline as appeared in the sourcebook, important events like:

1) When did UEEF finally stumbled onto Tyrol?

2) Who did UEEF fought during the years it spend while searching for Tyrol?

3) The exact date of the actual Sentinel campaign, from liberation of Tyrol to the final showdown on Optera against both TR Edwards / Regent (as per PTTSC)?


1) UEEF fleet arrived at Tyrol in 2025

2) Nobody


Huh? Waitaminute? 2025AD? Am I going bonkers or what? McKinniyists gonna have a field day over this ... 2025 is actually the accepted date for both non-canonical timelines adopted in Jack McKinney's Robotech novelizations and the Waltrips' brothers Robotech Sentinels comic serializations in which SDF-3 discovered and stranded on Tyrol.

With this new development in RT continuity, the uRRG pet theory of the delayed Sentinels timeline of 2030 - 2044 being thrown outta windows.


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tobefrnk wrote:
Yes Bielmic, I like aspects of this book too, but I also have issues with the new Destroid art. They seem more like Frankemecha to me. I'm sticking with the original REF designs (I like those...but I'm also nostalgia biased). The new battle pods also have Alpha Fighter design references. I think I like the Infantry Pod (it's growing on me) but the Officers pod is a bit much for my tastes. I do wish they had updated the look of the GMU to be more in line with its capabilities. Still, the book will be useful as sourcebook for me. No huge regrets.



Agreed...Some nitpicks on the re-envisioned destroids; the Spartan's laser turret looks tacked on, the Defender's chest...is that a sensor or a rocket grappling hook sticking out of the right pectoral?...The MAC's chest doesn't look nearly big enough to hide the drum bombs supposedly tucked away in there, and those cannons on the back look like they'd blow free from recoil... The Karbarrean body armor page arrangement looks off(they could have padded out the blank space with extra fluff or squeezed in a Karbarrean sidearm.

But I like the design text, especially for the Zentraedi pods(better than the old 'they were underpowered because humans didn't trust the Zentraedi'), with their appearance rubbing allies and enemies in the wrong ways....

I'm liking most of what I'm seeing.

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