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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:31 pm
  

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:36 pm
  

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So... for the vaguely curious who never bothered to look it up due to tremendous apathy on the subject, why exactly did the Macross mecha end up with incorrect names in 1e? Most of the art books Palladium would've had access to print the names in English...

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:59 pm
  

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I don't really care about that. I'd actually like this to get Stickied so people that aren't used to the change can use it for easy reference.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:10 pm
  

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Unread postPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:27 pm
  

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wow, a blast from the past...

the 1st ed names came from early robotech toy sales.. when matchbox started making toys, they were never given the macross names for the units, so they just made up their own. later those names found their way into most of the merchandising, mostly by dint of brand recognition.

other than the addition of the "-X" in the Raider-X, the names aren't bad. personally i'd use them with 1st ed's "REF destroids" if they were ever brought into 2nd ed. i'd just drop the "X" from the Raider, and change the missile mecha over to "Shark" due to the overlap.

i do like the Macross names for the canon destroids though.

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glitterboy2098 wrote:
wow, a blast from the past...

the 1st ed names came from early robotech toy sales.. when matchbox started making toys, they were never given the macross names for the units, so they just made up their own. later those names found their way into most of the merchandising, mostly by dint of brand recognition.

other than the addition of the "-X" in the Raider-X, the names aren't bad. personally i'd use them with 1st ed's "REF destroids" if they were ever brought into 2nd ed. i'd just drop the "X" from the Raider, and change the missile mecha over to "Shark" due to the overlap.

i do like the Macross names for the canon destroids though.


Still remember looking for those original Matchbox models when they first came out...first they were sold out in my area, then later I lost an entire order when the college mailroom got vandalized and, when ordering replacements, my original picks(the Excaliber/Tomahawk and the Gladiator/Spartan) were no longer available...had to settle for the Spartan/Phalanx and Invid Gurab(yes, the wimpiest of the entire line).

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Unread postPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:05 pm
  

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they crop up on ebay frequetly. i got a Tomahawk that way. been meaning to find some of the others at some point.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:38 pm
  

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Do you think Palladium books would do a better job with Battletech?


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Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:19 pm
  

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gaby wrote:
Do you think Palladium books would do a better job with Battletech?

hell no.. i don;t think Palladium's approach to doing things would mesh well with the battletech setting.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:23 am
  

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Jorel wrote:
Defender - Raidar X in old RPG, Rifleman in Battletech
Tomahawk - Excalibur in old RPG, Warhammer or Warhammer IIC in Battletech
Spartan - Gladiator in old RPG, Archer in Battletech
Phalanx - Spartan in old RPG, Longbow in Battletech
Monster - Mac II in old RPG, Behemoth in Batteldroids (precursor to Battletech)
VF-1A Valkyrie - Stinger in Battletech (Battloid Mode)
VF-1S Valkyrie - Wasp in Battletech (Battloid Mode)
VF-1A Valkyrie - Stinger LAM in Battletech (All three modes)
VF-1S Valkyrie - Wasp LAM in Battletech (All three modes)
Super VF-1S Valkyrie - Phoenix Hawk in Battletech (Battloid Mode)
Super VF-1S Valkyrie - Phoenix Hawk LAM in Battletech (All three modes)
Armoured Valkyrie - Crusader in Battletech (Battloid Mode)
Regult Tactical Battle Pod - Used as a pseudo basis for the Ostscout, Ostroc and Ostol
Glaug Officer Battlepod- Marauder and Maruader II in Battletech

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I like to think of the 1st ed names as the pilot and work crew nicknames for these machines.

You might want to know theve added more RT / Macross Mecha too BT. Operation rebirth gave us newer versions of the classics like the "Marauder IIC 2" its armed with two Heavy Large LASERs, two medium er pulse LASERs, and a Clan ER Large LASER." Theirs other loadouts as well. My Steel Viper pilot uses a Marauder IIC 2 armed with 7 Heavy Large LASERs and some LASER heatsinks. I call it "Purple Death."


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Unread postPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:31 pm
  

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You forgot the Ostscout, Ostroc and the Ostsol from Battletech; they were based of the of the Zentraedi Battle-Pods.

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actually the IIC's are totally new artwork, much like the reseen's introduced in Project Pheonix.

though later the original IIC's were given new reseen artwork as well, for an unrelated reaso. (the original artwork had been farmed out to an art studio, and when the rights went from FASAto catalyst games, there was some question as to whether the rights to those images came with the overall battletech rights, or not. the contracts involved were vague on the issue, so catalyst decided to err on the side of caution.)

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glitterboy2098 wrote:
actually the IIC's are totally new artwork, much like the reseen's introduced in Project Pheonix.

though later the original IIC's were given new reseen artwork as well, for an unrelated reaso. (the original artwork had been farmed out to an art studio, and when the rights went from FASAto catalyst games, there was some question as to whether the rights to those images came with the overall battletech rights, or not. the contracts involved were vague on the issue, so catalyst decided to err on the side of caution.)



Project Phoenix art...*shudder*. The art belongs to the minimalist school of 'Okay, it's got the right number of arms and guns and it's easy to cast, so why wait any longer?'.

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well, they had to make sure the macross related designs looked enough different.. while legally i think it's been said 80% the same is fine.. with art that % is even more subjective than normal so they went for as different as they could while still being visually related.

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I've still got my Officer's Battle Pod, the only thing in the model/ toy series I ever bought.
I have a few metal minis for the BattleTech game, though, and always played a Marauder pilot.

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Fenris2020 wrote:
I've still got my Officer's Battle Pod, the only thing in the model/ toy series I ever bought.
I have a few metal minis for the BattleTech game, though, and always played a Marauder pilot.


I have tons of painted metal miniatures for Battletech; a company of Robotech-style mechs, a platoon of Kurita soldiers and lots more (mostly AD&D). In high-school, I was good and painting and I am still good and seeing small details and objects.

And yes, I still have my officer's BP; I did have a Battle-pod, but I have no idea what happened to it.

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PB cant do mini combat well. We'd be better off switching to Mekton.

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It may not do actual mini combat well but minis are still viable for relative positioning and such...

As for using Mekton....problem there is the scaling. MDC effectively makes everything x1 scale, from lowly body armour to the Monster to the Cyclones, in Mekton unless whoever is doing it decides to do away with that fact and make it as they see fit.

Same goes for if you want to use the old West End Games d6 Star Wars miniature battles or Battletech Alpha Strike, both of which are easy enough to arbitrarily make stats for everything but again you run into how do you treat MDC which I guarantee will run afoul of SOMEONE in your game group.

Hell I could cobble together stats for doing Rifts or Robotech using Warhammer 40k easily enough.

That all said I have done bits and pieces in all but 40k for Rifts or Robotech and I know of someone who has done some Robotech using 40k. The issue would be if you agree with how the person making has done it.

All 4 rule sets can work for miniatures combat if that is what you are looking for.

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PB cant do mini combat well. We'd be better off switching to Mekton.


I recommend Mekton, but, I have Mekton II, and it's written as if Maximum-Mike was doing meth when he wrote it; I also have Votoms, which is easier to understand when reading the rules.

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Votoms is just a derivative version of Mekton zeta with a few hero system character elements thrown in.

PM as I might be able to direct yoibgwtying the mz stuff

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jaymz wrote:
Votoms is just a derivative version of Mekton zeta with a few hero system character elements thrown in.

PM as I might be able to direct yoibgwtying the mz stuff


Major diff, circ bottoms doesnt have mzp.

I wish they actually got the Gundam game produced. Not that they cant be made with map but still.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:53 pm
  

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jaymz wrote:
Votoms is just a derivative version of Mekton zeta with a few hero system character elements thrown in.


It was produced by R.Talsorian as well.

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