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The Jungle MOS for the TC is missing. Or is it suppose to be the same as the forest MOS?

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Is it just me or are the descriptions of the ASC body armour lacking decent pictures for all the variations? The styleized armours is one of the hallmarks of the middle chapter of Robotech and definitly sets it apart from parts 1 and 3, and yet that was wholly glossed over in this book. Or am I just that blind?

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My Nit is the Main Cannon firing of the Hover tank ..... it says here in the RPG that it says that it can only fire twice per melee...melee is 15 seconds ...I was just watching The Episode called "Mind games" right now and saw Angelo fire more then just twice .... I think this needs to be changed in 15 seconds I saw him shoot his cannon 7 times in 15 seconds I make that to be like 1 shot every melee action.....God I love having all the DVDs ...would anyone agree with me?

is this a typo... or would you at Palladium agree with me that can fire more then just twice per melee?

I hate to Nit I really do ...but I belive that that gotta be perfect ....great job on the book

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Other than the Kraken I don't believe any of them are Power Armor for these reasons;
1) the heads, arms, and legs are clearly robotic. There's is no way to get a human limb through the joints.
2) the size to be a PA suit is way wrong. At most they should add a foor the the weigher's hight. There is no way a 6ft person can wear a 10ft suit of armor.

Well I think they are classified as PA because of the way PB classifies Power Armor, which is by Height (see Rifts Glitterboy fluff text). Who says that the operator's limbs have to be in the limb in part or full...

It might be better to think of the over sized PA more like human scale Battlepods (really the TBP is not even twice the height of its usual Zentraedi giant-size operators). By PB's definition of human scale PA, if we apply it to races of different heights, then any robot vehicle no more than x2 (or there about) the height of its intended user with a single operator qualifies as PA.


It seems to be a combination of size & control methods. The Glitter Boy in Rifts is 11ft tall, but because the pilot's arms & legs take up at least part of the legs & arms of the suit it's considered a PA (i.e. not joystick controlled). In contrast, Triax's X-535 Hunter/Jager is about the same height, & the pilot's legs actually fit down into the vehicle's legs (making pilot endurance a factor); however, the arms & weapons are controlled by twin control sticks... so it's classified as a "robot vehicle".


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Okay guys guess what i was reviewing my all the New RPG books agian, and it seems i made a mistake when i said the Southren Cross EU-12 should be re-named the EU-14 to keep it from being confused with the EU-12 of the Condor in Shadow Chronicles. Low and behold i forgot that in Shadow Chronicles they called the pulse beam cannons on the BETA fighter EU-14's, but then agian this is an obvious mistake as those cannons are the same type as those on the Alpha which are EU-13's. So this is really a Typo on the writers part so the rename to EU-14 could still stand, if not i guess it should be called the EU-9 instead.

I forgot to let you all know that the Sedution skill has a bonus of +1 for every one point above a MA:20 and +1 for for every two points above a PB:17.

The Triton is missing its head mounted Ion cannons and the HIR-44 Pulse ION Carbine.

The M-37 weasel pistol and the M-25 Wolverine assault rifle to clearify the damage NIT: for a single SDC round in Shadow is 4D6 vs. 5D6 in Southren for the weasel. The wolverine does 4D6 MD in Shadow vs. 5D6 MD for a single MD round in Southren.
weasel reliability/jamming issues in sandy dry conditions in Southren vs. None in Shadow (doesn't even list jamming penalities except for under the entry for the Euraya Pistol. Did i get the name right?)
Balance penalty for the weasel in Southren vs. none in Shadow.
This is weird the Ferret has heavy Recoil but yet is pefectly balanced and has pluses intstead of penalties.

For those who don't believe that the Centaur is only a semi/pseudo-veritech check out how a Veritech is Defined on pg. 141 of The Art of The Shadow Chronicles. Roughly it states that a Veritech has Two modes sometimes Three. A veritech has a vehicle mode and typically a Battloid mode (humanoid form), sometimes there is an intremitant mode know as guardian or gladiator mode. So the Centaur would be the Exception not the Rule if considered as a Full veritech mecha.

Also to help settle the Is it Power Armor vs. Robot Mecha/Battloid issue, Palladium Books defines Power Armor in short as thus:
A robotic exo-skeleton that adds one to three feet in height to the user. Older models can be as tall as twelve feet and are more robotic looking (ie. Southren Cross Porwed Armor vs. New Generation/Sentinal/Shadow Chronicles Cyclones). Zentradi Powered Armor is an exception because it is Taylored to the massive scale of their giant size bodies. Check out the Rifts: Masters Guide pg. 203 on how Power Armor is defined if you have it. Also Harmony Gold approved it so it must be so, like it or not, and if not GMs should just house rule what you feel is right.

A note to the Writers,proof readers,and editors at Palladium: Not to say any of us fans can do much better,we probablly can't; but please be more careful in consistancy and continuity. Sometimes things tend to vary from page to page in a single book, let alone between books. It would save GM's and you as publishers a lot of Headaches. Also your company has been around for a while now,one would think such issues would no longer happen as much as they do. But then agian what would we have to dicuss in this forum if everything was perfect.


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I forgot to say on the issue of Powered Armor that Palladium Books also Defines anything over Twelve Feet tall to be considered a Robot Vehicle(ie.Read as meaning a Battloid/Destroid). Agian see pg.203 Rifts: Game Masters Guide.


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I'm back ....agian. forgot to clarfiy ththat SC batlle armor redues Laser damage by only one quater(25%) my previous most may have made it seem otherwise. Mecha/Vehcile laser damage is reduced by one half(50%).


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I'll have to chek Rift's GM guide however if the arms and legs are robotic it's a Robot. The same goes for the Zentraedi Mecha.

There are some that can be half robotic, half power armor however the fatique rate should be only 10%.

It also doesn't explain the size change. Everything else I've read and sceen say's they're roughly the same size and weight as the other SC Battloids.

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For those who don't believe that the Centaur is only a semi/pseudo-veritech check out how a Veritech is Defined on pg. 141 of The Art of The Shadow Chronicles. Roughly it states that a Veritech has Two modes sometimes Three. A veritech has a vehicle mode and typically a Battloid mode (humanoid form), sometimes there is an intremitant mode know as guardian or gladiator mode. So the Centaur would be the Exception not the Rule if considered as a Full veritech mecha.


Unfortunately I don't have that book. I've never even heard of it until now. However the Centaur clearly has two modes therefor making it a Veritech.


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Various OCC/MOS skill listing list "Pilot: ASC Power Armor", no skill is listed though in the book or TSC (for power armor). Is this style of piloting included in the Pilot Battloid skills (as in Rifts where PA and 'bots use the same skill) or is a seperate skill?


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I noticed that some of the mecha have bonuses to parry and descriptions of parrying from there arm shields but could not find any where that mentions if the mecha/body armour that have shields can parry projectile/energy blasts.

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Pg 184 The wolverine has damage listed for the optional grenade launcher but no rang listed.

Pg 30 the "fast as lighting" attribute bundle under the quick roll rules has Alpha Tactical Space Armoured listed as one of the best OOC's. It lists the TASC before that but it sounds like a combo of TASC and ATAC. It sounds like it was suppost o be ATAC

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Chris0013 wrote:
This is cross book errata for the damage of the .50 Caliber round....

Macross Pg 133. entry for M3A2M SLAP does 2D6 for a single round.

Masters Pg 126-127. M35 Kodiak SLAP does 1D8 for a single round.

Palladium should have set up SDC / MDC for the conventional / SLAP ammo and been consistent.


They also have different ranges listed. In maccross it's 5000 ft in Masters it's 4000 feet. Perhaps the difference in damage and range can be attributed to a difference in the size of shell casings and or composition of the powder between the two .50 cal rounds.

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The Weasel Pistol and the Wolvine Assult Rifle have different damage listings of 5D6 instead of 4D6 as in Shadow Chronicles (maybe the Southern cross uses a heavier Ammo Round?


Both of the books I have list the SDC damadge of the "Wolverine" as 4D6 for a single round. I'm not sure what book lists it as 5D6. However the "Wolverine" in the master is a M-25 and the "Wolverine" in SC is a M-55. The are both different calibers, different stats etc. The SC version is probably a newer model design and that would probably account for any difference in damage.

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That would make sense and seems plausable.

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Okay guys guess what i was reviewing my all the New RPG books agian, and it seems i made a mistake when i said the Southren Cross EU-12 should be re-named the EU-14 to keep it from being confused with the EU-12 of the Condor in Shadow Chronicles. Low and behold i forgot that in Shadow Chronicles they called the pulse beam cannons on the BETA fighter EU-14's, but then agian this is an obvious mistake as those cannons are the same type as those on the Alpha which are EU-13's. So this is really a Typo on the writers part so the rename to EU-14 could still stand, if not i guess it should be called the EU-9 instead.


I don't see it as a typo or a mistake, just an example of the same nomenclature being used for different pieces of equipment used by different branches.

And frankly, given the following examples from the real world, I'm surprised it didn't happen more often:

-- WW2: M1 Garand rifle, M1 bayonet (for use on the M1 Garand), M1 helmet, M1 203mm howitzer (later renamed M115), M1 carbine, M1 120mm AA gun, M1 mortar, M1 Combat Car/LightTank, M1 chemical mine, & M1 Thompson SMG (derived from M1928); designation later used for the M1 Abrams, which shared service with the M1 helmet
-- WW2: M2 Browning HMG (ground & aircraft versions), M2 Browning GPMG (aircraft version of .30cal M1919), M2 carbine (M1 carbine with selective-fire control), M2 20mm aircraft cannon (based on Hispano-Suiza HS.404), M2 ball ammo (armor-piercing .30-06 cartridge), M2 Half-track, M2 105mm howitzer (later renamed the M101), M2 light tank (predecessor of the M3 Stuart), M2 medium tank (predecessor of the M3 Lee & M4 Sherman), M2 flamethrower, & M2 antipersonnel "bounding" landmine; note that the M2 HMG was still in service later when the M2 Bradley IFV & M2/M3/M4 SLAM mines were developed & introduced
-- WW2: M3 37mm anti-tank gun, M3 105mm light howitzer, M3 20mm aircraft cannon (derived from US M2 & UK Hispano Mk. V, both derived from HS.404), M3 Half-track, M3 Stuart light tank, M3 Lee medium tank, M3 carbine (M2 with infra-red sniper scope from M1), M3 "Grease Gun" SMG, M3 Scout Car, M3 Grant (derivative of M3 Lee), & M3 90mm AA gun; the designation was later used for the M3 Bradley CFV (derived from the M2)
-- WW2: M4 artillery tractor (derived from M2 light tank), M4 Sherman medium tank, M4 survival rifle; later used for the XM4 command vehicle (derived from M2 Bradley IFV) & M4 carbine (derived from M16).
-- Cold War: M14 rifle (derived from M1 Garand), M14 landmine

And that doesn't count the sub-variant designs whose designations overlap with both contemporary and later designs (i.e. M6 bayonet for the M14 rifle & the M6 Bradley Linebacker).

So, I see no problem with the ASC having an EU-12 gun pod, while the UEEF has a completely different gun pod with the same EU-12 designation.


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Technophobe -checkout my most recent post about the Wolverine damage issue. The 5D6 is for the MD armor piercing rounds in Southren Cross but in Shadow Chronicles its listed as 4D6. The Weasel Pistol is opposite The 5D6 is for the SDC rounds in Southren and 4D6 in Shadow. also notice that in Shadow the MD rounds for both the Weasel and Wolverine are listed as HEAP rounds but in Southren their listed as LEAP rounds.

The Tri-Star the mistake with the cannons is with the LRC-220 220mm Rail Guns not the Quad Laser Cannons for range.
The range in an Atmosphere is listed as being 10 miles (1.6km) it should read 10 miles (16km) an obveious typo.

The Reinforced Pilots Compartment for the VHT-1A2/A3 is listed as being 150 MDC total, but under the entry for OMS-2 Hover Tank Thruster Pack its split and listed as Canopy 50 MDC Reinforced Pilots Compartment 100 MDC.

Missing - Trylonic Memory Probe and how to deal with NPC/Player Characters subgetted to the probe. (the old Southren Cross Book did Touch upon this under the Entry for 2nd Stage clones) I have Some ideas however on how to handle this that i'm formulating. Episodes: Metal Fire & Stardust (the episode after Metal Fire/right?)

Missing - Southren Cross Proton Disposal Beam. Episode: Stardust(the one after Metal Fire/right?)

Missing - Anti-Pain Syrum (Masters: Chemical Enhancment/ kinda like a juicer in Rifts) Episode: The Invid Connection
I'd say treat as if effected by both the effects of the Songs of Courage and War combined but also add +2 to strength.
Also note the Master only used this as Last Resort becuase of no longer having the Tirolian Muses to Control the Clone population with their songs and music. GM's Don't Abuse this. Don't combine the effects of the Anti-Pain Syrum with the effects of the Songs of War and Courage(already included) It would unbalance game play and is not fair to the Players to do so. Only use as a last Resort as stated when there has been a loss of control over the clones by the Robotech Masters.

Missing - Clone rehabilitation Centers

Okay if the Centaur is a full Veritech, what of Civilian/Recon Guardian Mode Plane seen in one of the Art of Robotech Books and the Scramble News Network Plane in Macross II the Movie. I don't think those can be considred full a veritech, they are only semi-variable, just because they can change to a Guardian Confiuration doesn't make them a veritech, just like the Centaur. To tell the truth i like to think of the Centaur is a full true Veritech too, but it just does not in my opinon fit the true defined descriptions i've seen and Film Footage of what a True Full Veritech is. So it could only fall as being semi-variable/prototype mecha, being able to pop-up from behind cover or get a better firing angle/advantage point.
Can we Get Tommy Yune to Rule on It!!! Even though its not considred an Offical Robotech Mecha as of yet.


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If you check under the Skill descriptions, i think you'll find that the pilot ASC powered armor is Part of the Pilot ASC battloid skill.

Green.nova in terms of the game and Namoculture used in the game, i believe the two diffrent EU-12's is a mistake. Also you might find Palladium would maybe say so or that it came about by conflicting forms of info. seeing they have various resources they tap on the subject of Robotech. I also realize how confusing the Real world Namoculture is in the Military, i'm a miltary Brat after all!! But this is Fanatasy not reality, its just a fun game and not a military simulation.

No offence intended.

Just remember its just a fun game that sometimes yes even I and other fans of Robotech or even Star Trek (i admit i'm A trekkie. I Can't wait to see the new movie and i'm a little worried about what JJ abrams take on Trek wiil be like), Star Wars(boy did Lucas mess up with the prequels or what!!), Battlestar Galatica, Buck Rogers, ect.-etc. sometimes take al ittle to far and seriously and nit-pick about everything. But Remember to keep it fun.


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Also kind of funny that the Personal hand guns are stronger then the hover tank hand held gun too

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My final word about the Centaur:
One has to remember that the Veritech is born from 1980's anime and the transforming robot cartoon/toy craze.
So that being said to be a veritech/transforming robot mecha, you have to have a vehicle mode and a humanoid form, with humanoid locomotion, and humanoid hand to hand combat abilites.(be it a Valkyrie,Sparta Hover tank, Ajax,Logan, A+lpha or Beta fighter,Autobot,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc. and this has continued to be the trend from then all the way up to today, even with the Power Rangers and their Megazord.) Clearly the Centaur although from an 80's comic book does not fit this description and therfore cannot be considered a true veritech/transforming robot.

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Scorpion Leader wrote:
My final word about the Centaur:
One has to remember that the Veritech is born from 1980's anime and the transforming robot cartoon/toy craze.
So that being said to be a veritech/transforming robot mecha, you have to have a vehicle mode and a humanoid form, with humanoid locomotion, and humanoid hand to hand combat abilites.(be it a Valkyrie,Sparta Hover tank, Ajax,Logan, A+lpha or Beta fighter,Autobot,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc. and this has continued to be the trend from then all the way up to today, even with the Power Rangers and their Megazord.) Clearly the Centaur although from an 80's comic book does not fit this description and therfore cannot be considered a true veritech/transforming robot.

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Why is it there is always somone out there that uses the toy's to back thier theory's ....Like toy's are a reliable source of information...pleaseeeee. Plus 9 times out of 10 the toys are not cannon or accurate anyhow ...so cant really use that to back your claim....The Centuar Tank is A VHT...I dont care what came from the toys ...the toys aint the show now is it?


so say we all..hahaha
It has a mode ...just as it is with a Logan and correct me if I am wrong but logan only has two modes yes?....well then ......and you are comparing Apples to Oranges...As I hafta tell a whole lot of people every friggin day.... Autobots,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc Power Rangers and their Megazord. Do not apply.... this is ROBOTECH... Not shows that are ripoffs of both Macross ..or in this case Robotech...This isnt transformers this isnt no Power rangers crap!...it is ROBOTECH ...and it is only this that it can exist as a VHT the fact that The Centaur does have more then One mode which makes that a true veritech transforming robot.....what...are you going to do...argue with Carl Macek the maker of the Robotech series...and tell him it isnt a VHT?...ya ummmm no ...cased closed!...sorry dude I totally disagree with this one. The Centuar is as always will be a VHT.

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Khyron wrote:
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My final word about the Centaur:
One has to remember that the Veritech is born from 1980's anime and the transforming robot cartoon/toy craze.
So that being said to be a veritech/transforming robot mecha, you have to have a vehicle mode and a humanoid form, with humanoid locomotion, and humanoid hand to hand combat abilites.(be it a Valkyrie,Sparta Hover tank, Ajax,Logan, A+lpha or Beta fighter,Autobot,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc. and this has continued to be the trend from then all the way up to today, even with the Power Rangers and their Megazord.) Clearly the Centaur although from an 80's comic book does not fit this description and therfore cannot be considered a true veritech/transforming robot.

Scorpion Leader out.



Why is it there is always somone out there that uses the toy's to back thier theory's ....Like toy's are a reliable source of information...pleaseeeee. Plus 9 times out of 10 the toys are not cannon or accurate anyhow ...so cant really use that to back your claim....The Centuar Tank is A VHT...I dont care what came from the toys ...the toys aint the show now is it?


so say we all..hahaha
It has a mode ...just as it is with a Logan and correct me if I am wrong but logan only has two modes yes?....well then ......and you are comparing Apples to Oranges...As I hafta tell a whole lot of people every friggin day.... Autobots,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc Power Rangers and their Megazord. Do not apply.... this is ROBOTECH... Not shows that are ripoffs of both Macross ..or in this case Robotech...This isnt transformers this isnt no Power rangers crap!...it is ROBOTECH ...and it is only this that it can exist as a VHT the fact that The Centaur does have more then One mode which makes that a true veritech transforming robot.....what...are you going to do...argue with Carl Macek the maker of the Robotech series...and tell him it isnt a VHT?...ya ummmm no ...cased closed!...sorry dude I totally disagree with this one. The Centuar is as always will be a VHT.


So... was the the Centuar Tank in the show?

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No it was not...in the show however It is in the comic series and novel series which was approved by Harmony Gold and widely accepted by the fan base for more then how many years?....This In turn makes it cannon...so there we go ...

To further clarify this little bit of info...what was taken form a reliable source about the novels

The original twelve novels were written to a tight twelve-month deadline, so that the books could be released one per month. Under this deadline. As part of the research project, James Luceno and the late Brian Daley (aka Jack McKinney) watched the TV series many times, and consulted heavily with Carl Macek.

So Basically... Carl Macek was even envolved with the making of the novel series which in turn makes it Cannon

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Where's the ASC characters that we all love?? Where's Dana, Bowie and the other members of the 15th?

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No it was not...in the show however It is in the comic series and novel series which was approved by Harmony Gold and widely accepted by the fan base for more then how many years?....This In turn makes it cannon...so there we go ...

To further clarify this little bit of info...what was taken form a reliable source about the novels

The original twelve novels were written to a tight twelve-month deadline, so that the books could be released one per month. Under this deadline. As part of the research project, James Luceno and the late Brian Daley (aka Jack McKinney) watched the TV series many times, and consulted heavily with Carl Macek.

So Basically... Carl Macek was even envolved with the making of the novel series which in turn makes it Cannon

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What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? You laid into a guy for "not using the show" when discussing the Centuar Tank, a vehicle that was never in the show.

Oh, and you probably need to re-open your case as HG doesn't seem to think either those comics or the novels are "cannon".

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No it was not...in the show however It is in the comic series and novel series which was approved by Harmony Gold and widely accepted by the fan base for more then how many years?....This In turn makes it cannon...so there we go ...

To further clarify this little bit of info...what was taken form a reliable source about the novels

The original twelve novels were written to a tight twelve-month deadline, so that the books could be released one per month. Under this deadline. As part of the research project, James Luceno and the late Brian Daley (aka Jack McKinney) watched the TV series many times, and consulted heavily with Carl Macek.

So Basically... Carl Macek was even envolved with the making of the novel series which in turn makes it Cannon

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That's like saying that, because Roddenberry & Paramount (& later, his estate) "approved" all of the "official" novels that expand on the various Star Trek series, that the novels are "canon".

Except, oh wait, that's right: they're not. They're not required to follow canon to the letter, & they're certainly not required to follow what's come in a prior novel. Take The IDIC Epidemic. Despite the obvious difference in makeup used between the original series & the later movies/series, official canon only lists one "species" of Klingons. Yet the cure for a deadly disease that not only crosses species, but specifically mutates within "fusions" or "half-breeds" is found within the blood antibodies of a Klingon engineer & his half-Klingon sons... because they're "regular" (i.e. non-'turtlehead') Klingons, as opposed to "Imperial" (i.e. 'turtlehead') Klingons. Oh, & not to overlook that the other source of the cure comes from Romulans...even though Romulans are just Vulcans that left their homeworld thousands of years ago (& therefore should be closer genetically speaking than regular humans and Neanderthals).

So just because the Robotech novels mention a Centaur "hovertank" doesn't make it part of the official canon. Especially since those are the "filler" novels that partially bridge the gap between generations. Heck, even the novel adaptations for the series itself list scenes that were never part of the show -- i.e. T.R. Edwards being left in Alaska Base by Rick & Lisa, or the ASC's remaining VF-1s being shot down by the Masters.

And even if Carl Macek was involved in the project... so what? He was also involved in the Clash of the Bionoids, which was supposed to convert Megazone 23 into a part of the Robotech Saga. Except that even before HG took over from Macek, it was never acknowledged as being part of official canon.

The owner of the copyright -- in this case, HG -- has the right & privilege to designate what's official canon or not. And unless the creator is still the copyright holder, they can say what they wanted to have canon, or what they planned to add to the project, but they don't get to say what is & isn't canon.

So, no Centaurs ever seen in the TV episodes means that, unless HG designates the novels/comics it appears in as official canon, they are not official.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:15 pm
  

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I'm not basing the Centaur on toys but on actual film footage(ie. Anime/cartoons) of other mecha,defined terms in books,The General excepted Anime Term of Transforming Mecha as it has been born and evolved from the 80's, and produton art/model sheets. Not the Toys themselves, but what can be seen(and Read)by comparison.

What many of you think as cannon like it or not is no longer considered cannon by the powers that be (which is not me by the way,but Harmony Gold).

Also check out the old Robotech RPG source book #8 Strike Force Tornado combat bike, Agressor VTOL,Guardian VTOL, for other mecha you think would be considered a veritech but aren't. Also see the Art of Robotech(forgot which # book though)and The Robotech Protoculture Collection extra Disk # 3 for the VTOL(Guardian Mode)Jet that also can not be considered a Veritech.

Green.Nova I would like to at least agree with you on some point of military realism that should be presented in the game so here me out.

Would you say that my previous post about the MOS Medical Officer in Shadow and the Feild Medic MOS in Southern, that my accessment is correct and Palladium should maybe have Presented those MOS' how they did in the past. Meaning instead of every tom, dick, and harry starting with the MD skill they should of stuck to the Old Base skill of First Aid or Paramedic and then be able to UPGRADE that skill To MD at the cost of ONE or Two OCC Related Skills, plus any required skills to take MD.
(I guess that nurse Sean hit on while visiting Marie Crystal in the base hospital was a MD Too.)

Would you also say that in Macross the EC-33B Tigers Eye and The VC-33 Mom's Kitchen is Military Namoculture ERROR.
That if they are Both a C-33 type aircraft they should be of the same Airframe/Body Type. Which They are not.
That an additional pre-fix letter (ie: AC-130,MC-130,EC-130) in front indicates a special role (ie.AC-130 Specter Gunship)and not a diffrent airframe. That as presented in Macross a V-22 Osprey would be the Same as a C-130 which its not.

Does this sound correct to you?

Other Nits:

Weasel Ammo capacity in Shadow is 15 rds. in Southren its 18rds.

For those that don't know and have not been in the Shadow Chronicles Forum or Have the Deluxe addition of Shadow Chronicles the Wolverine in The Manga size Addition is Wrong its not the M-55 and its stats/art work and that of the Hound Pistol Totally wrong and were updated/corrected and Replaced in the Deluxe Addition. Also Southren Cross takes Place before Shadow Chronicles, so its the same weapon and not a different weapon with the same name or a advanced version of the same weapon. (the Wolverine was even in the old books but of course presented diffrent from what it is now. In fact the Art work for it in the Maga Size addition of Shadow chronicles is a hold over from the Robotech RPG old books)

The Forest MOS says they can be parachuted in but the skill is not listed in the List of MOS skills for that MOS or Presented in Skill Descriptions in any of the books. I Have Rifts so the next time i'm on i'll try to present it for those of you who would like it. I can't remeber The precentages right now off hand,as i'm currently using the Library Terminal, becuase my PC is down.

Also as with Rifts and the Palladium Megaversal system in general Pilot ASC Power Armor is part of the Pilot ASC Battloid skill.
In Rifts the skill is called Pilot Robots and Power Armor, and states that they are both essentially piloted in basicly the same manner so no seperate skill is necessary.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:42 pm
  

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Oh My god ...

First I was saying that Autobots,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc Power Rangers and their Megazord. Do not apply.... We are talking Robotech ...why dont people read?

Second you cant use toys to back up a claim you make for robotech.

Third Carl Macek was the creater of the story line of Robotech ...even tho Robotech episodes art wernt drawn out by him ...he took three different Versions of Anime that was created already and rolled them up into One STORYMakeing it Robotech. Basically he made the Story of Robotech...again this wasnt orginal art work from him...it came from somwhere else......But when it comes to Robotech he is God what he says goes...he was the guy everyone had to come to for approvals to add those novels to do the comics ...to do changes to the story line or add more to the story line...(Jack Mc Kinney)The Creators of the 12 novels. Had to come to Carl Macek for the Information ..and story info to make the Novels.......making what ever he said Law aka Cannon they just Made a story that filled in the gaps and exspanded on what happened durring the episodes of Robotech in the backround and expanded on the main events as well...If Carl Macek said yes that what they had acceptable then it was cannon simple as that...There is no arguement to that unles Macek said in plain english that didnt happen...which he did not.....again he is the Creater of the story!!!!!! Maybe Harmony Gold choose to discount those facts or has the ability to change whatever they want .. who knows I dont work for them and i havent read thier contract...but it is the same with The Creater of Startrek (Gene Roddenberry) and the guys who took over for him ....before you say anything read what I am saying i am using this as a comparison to Macek and Harmony Gold... after Gene died his wife got all the rights to Startrek after she past away basically (berman and bragga) Paramount/CBS got the rights to the show ..the licenceing .... where Paramount/CBS can choose to do what ever they want with startrek cause they have the rights and licencing they are able to change the story as much or as they see fit...Just as it is with Harmony Gold and Tommy Yune can for Robotech basically change the story how ever they want (which they have)...but at the Time when Macek was there involved directly with the show and novels ...what he said was law. If He said The novels and comics were good..Then I am sorry I dont care what Harmony Gold says...again they didnt create the Story! Carl Macek did.

Fourthly What I was ripping into the guy was with the Fact that he was saying that you cant call a Centuar Tank a VHT....Again using the fact that Carl Macek approved the Novels and the Comics at that time it therefore stands as cannon...In my eyes ...why again for the 18th billionth Time Carl Macek Made the story...Makeing what he says and what he approved cannon. You cant argue with the guy who wrote the Bible..how things go ...cause he wrote the dang book!

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you know what?... I am not going to agrue this fact anymore cause you guys figure you know everything..I am using fact...so belive what you want to belive..I dont care ...I just dont feel that I need to continue on with this or defend myself I have shown what you've needed to see ..You all know everything where as I know nothing so ...you must be right ...yes I am wrong ..the fact that it is in black and white isnt good enough for you ..so whatever am done...belive what you want. but the Centuar is a VHT

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Kyron sorry to upset you and not to beat a dead horse becuase after this i don't want to visit the Centaur issue anymore ethier BUT:

From the: The Art of The Shadow Chronicles by: Tommy Yune of Harmony Gold

Pg:141-Veritech: An Acronym of Veriable Engineering and Robotic Intergration TECHnology. It is a classification of combat mecha that indicates the ability to transform into at least 2 distinct configurations. One of the configurations is typically a humanoid form called Battloid mode, and the other is one of several types of vehicles. Most veritech fighters have an intermediate configuration know as Guardian or Gladiator mode.Veritechs can can include many different types of vechicles ranging from areospace fighter to motorcycle.

Pg.140-Battloid Mode: The robotic bipedal configuration of a transformable veritech mecha to facilitate more manuverable combat agianst aliens or enemy mecha.

Pg.140-Battloid: Any bipedal Humanoid Mecha.

From the Random House College Dictionary:

Biped: 2.Having two feet.
Bipedal: Adj. biped.
Humanoid: Having human characteristics or form.

Therefore the Centaur Is Not A Veritech as Defined.
Why?
1.) Does Not have A true Humanoid Biped Form
2.) Only has a Guardian Form with Concave Bird like ostrich legs.(Even the Logan has straight Human like legs)
3.) Does not have true Humanoid Bipedal locomotion; it does not walk,run,Jump.
4.) It only hovers around even in Guardian mode.
5.) It has every limited Hand toHand ability/it cannot engage in true human like hand to hand combat; it can't really punch. (It would get Walloped if it Tried!!)
6.) No true human like Arms & Legs or body.

So to believe The Centaur is a True Veritech is to Believe the Earth is Flat when all evidence points to the fact that it is Round. All this is a mute point anyway and just a bunch of Feldercarb until Harmony Gold can gain the rigths to the Art and decides to Let the Centaur be included Offically in the RPG. (which right now does not seem likely to happen)

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Oh My god ...

First I was saying that Autobots,Descepticon,Voltron,Transforming type Gundam, Dai Guard, etc Power Rangers and their Megazord. Do not apply.... We are talking Robotech ...why dont people read?

Second you cant use toys to back up a claim you make for robotech.

Third Carl Macek was the creater of the story line of Robotech ...even tho Robotech episodes art wernt drawn out by him ...he took three different Versions of Anime that was created already and rolled them up into One STORYMakeing it Robotech. Basically he made the Story of Robotech...again this wasnt orginal art work from him...it came from somwhere else......But when it comes to Robotech he is God what he says goes...he was the guy everyone had to come to for approvals to add those novels to do the comics ...to do changes to the story line or add more to the story line...(Jack Mc Kinney)The Creators of the 12 novels. Had to come to Carl Macek for the Information ..and story info to make the Novels.......making what ever he said Law aka Cannon they just Made a story that filled in the gaps and exspanded on what happened durring the episodes of Robotech in the backround and expanded on the main events as well...If Carl Macek said yes that what they had acceptable then it was cannon simple as that...There is no arguement to that unles Macek said in plain english that didnt happen...which he did not.....again he is the Creater of the story!!!!!! Maybe Harmony Gold choose to discount those facts or has the ability to change whatever they want .. who knows I dont work for them and i havent read thier contract...but it is the same with The Creater of Startrek (Gene Roddenberry) and the guys who took over for him ....before you say anything read what I am saying i am using this as a comparison to Macek and Harmony Gold... after Gene died his wife got all the rights to Startrek after she past away basically (berman and bragga) Paramount/CBS got the rights to the show ..the licenceing .... where Paramount/CBS can choose to do what ever they want with startrek cause they have the rights and licencing they are able to change the story as much or as they see fit...Just as it is with Harmony Gold and Tommy Yune can for Robotech basically change the story how ever they want (which they have)...but at the Time when Macek was there involved directly with the show and novels ...what he said was law. If He said The novels and comics were good..Then I am sorry I dont care what Harmony Gold says...again they didnt create the Story! Carl Macek did.

Fourthly What I was ripping into the guy was with the Fact that he was saying that you cant call a Centuar Tank a VHT....Again using the fact that Carl Macek approved the Novels and the Comics at that time it therefore stands as cannon...In my eyes ...why again for the 18th billionth Time Carl Macek Made the story...Makeing what he says and what he approved cannon. You cant argue with the guy who wrote the Bible..how things go ...cause he wrote the dang book!

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Man seems like you are treating Carl Macek as God and the novels and comics as the Old and New Testaments.

PS: H.G. disagrees and has laid out that the novels and comics as not being "cannon".

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Kyron sorry to upset you and not to beat a dead horse becuase after this i don't want to visit the Centaur issue anymore ethier BUT:

From the: The Art of The Shadow Chronicles by: Tommy Yune of Harmony Gold

Pg:141-Veritech: An Acronym of Veriable Engineering and Robotic Intergration TECHnology. It is a classification of combat mecha that indicates the ability to transform into at least 2 distinct configurations. One of the configurations is typically a humanoid form called Battloid mode, and the other is one of several types of vehicles. Most veritech fighters have an intermediate configuration know as Guardian or Gladiator mode.Veritechs can can include many different types of vechicles ranging from areospace fighter to motorcycle.

Pg.140-Battloid Mode: The robotic bipedal configuration of a transformable veritech mecha to facilitate more manuverable combat agianst aliens or enemy mecha.

Pg.140-Battloid: Any bipedal Humanoid Mecha.

From the Random House College Dictionary:

Biped: 2.Having two feet.
Bipedal: Adj. biped.
Humanoid: Having human characteristics or form.

Therefore the Centaur Is Not A Veritech as Defined.
Why?
1.) Does Not have A true Humanoid Biped Form
2.) Only has a Guardian Form with Concave Bird like ostrich legs.(Even the Logan has straight Human like legs)
3.) Does not have true Humanoid Bipedal locomotion; it does not walk,run,Jump.
4.) It only hovers around even in Guardian mode.
5.) It has every limited Hand toHand ability/it cannot engage in true human like hand to hand combat; it can't really punch. (It would get Walloped if it Tried!!)
6.) No true human like Arms & Legs or body.

So to believe The Centaur is a True Veritech is to Believe the Earth is Flat when all evidence points to the fact that it is Round. All this is a mute point anyway and just a bunch of Feldercarb until Harmony Gold can gain the rigths to the Art and decides to Let the Centaur be included Offically in the RPG. (which right now does not seem likely to happen)

Oh yeah i like Battlestar, but i'm still somewhat partcial to the cheezee original.(But not battlestar 1980)
I miss Derk Benidick as Star Buck.



Am I upset? Damn rights I am :x ...I wont sit here and allow you to disresepect the creater of Robotech.. :badbad:

I am not gonna fight anymore and this is my Final post on this!!

you all Belive what you all want ...I know the truth and thats all that matters just shows how many are true Fans of Robotech and those who are Not True fans. And belive what others write....If you dont like the truth just make it up I guess ...sometimes The truth hurts and you dont want to hear it ... So you go on and belive what you want to belive....If you say that Tommy Yune is the creater of Robotech now and what he says goes ...then he should put the stamp on Robotech making it his own...Also that he orginally made all of robotech story with no previous help from the Orginal creators of Robotech ...hell might as well disallow the old movies and make a whole new series of Robo because it isnt what Tommy Yune wrote ...with that there better be new set of DVD series and there better be new charactors from beginning to finish ... Even then if it was made I wont belive that Crap either!

Far be it for Carl Macek not have anything to do with Robotech at all because Tommy Yune steped in ...ya whatever...Belive the truth or not that is up to you ..Remember Tommy Yune didnt create Robotech And Thats the bottom line! And quote from what ever current art book or other sources you want but if it didnt come from Macek is it Bull !!!!

And Just a note if it wasnt for Carl Macek there wouldnt be any Robotech at all ... and it is pretty damn sad when people just spit all over the guy who created the storry to begin with and have no respect for the story originally. When it came to the guy whom made the series...all you proved was the fact it wasnt Carl Macek that made the story line to what Tommy Yune wrote. And basically said Macek Had Nothing to do with the series of Robotech from beginning ...And it is in my opinon that it is people like you and Tommy Yune that literlly spit on the creaters that made the story orginally and cant keep it true to form and why Fans like me ..are upset... why you ask? Cause when People take over for somone elses work they cant leave crap alone they hafta change everything ...cause it isnt good enough for them!!!...whats more disapointing ... That even I take the time to get upset and mad to spell this out to you and tell you this instead of you figuring it out yourself .


Done! :badbad: .

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Am I upset? Damn rights I am :x ...I wont sit here and allow you to disresepect the creater of Robotech.. :badbad:


Who is disrespecting CM?

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you all Belive what you all want ...I know the truth and thats all that matters just shows how many are true Fans of Robotech and those who are Not True fans.


I really don't think it is necessary to call those who disagree with you "not true fans".

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Thanks Jeffar!

Back in business! Hrmm...need to set about merging all the gaffes we've collected since the book was initially published.


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its been mentioned before, but need to be brought up until it can get fixxed.
the Myrmidon's battilod mode doesn't match its transport and tank modes...

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Any chance this is gonna get reprinted to proper 8.5x11 size soon? It's the only one I don't own as I don't care for the small size versions.

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Any chance this is gonna get reprinted to proper 8.5x11 size soon? It's the only one I don't own as I don't care for the small size versions.

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Okay,

someone else mentioned it before on another thread, and I would like to put in vote for it, but when Palladium gets around to re-sizing The Masters War sourcebook it should be made into a softcover Deluxe edition. So much material needs and should be added that, including numerous vehicles, mecha and starships as well as writeups for the characters of the 2nd Robotech War (including Dana and crew, Supreme Commander Leonard, General Emerson and The Robotech Masters themselves). This should increase the page count, of course. But it would also be a great place to add new information (such as Monument City and its environs) as well as a Hook, Line and Sinker section for GMs to make adventures.


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The Art for the myrmidon shows a battiloid that dosen't match the other 2 modes of the mecha in question, Via some help I found the Art that matches the Tank/Transport mode.
This is the Current designs and art in the Master's Saga source book

This is theArt that matches the Transport mode and Tank mode....
Here's all 3 of them together...

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Courtesy of YuiYuasa, here is some more lineart that could be used to update the RPG, including the EU-10 and a better view of the Ferret pistol.

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Colonel Wolfe wrote:
The Art for the myrmidon shows a battiloid that dosen't match the other 2 modes of the mecha in question, Via some help I found the Art that matches the Tank/Transport mode.
This is the Current designs and art in the Master's Saga source book

This is theArt that matches the Transport mode and Tank mode....
Here's all 3 of them together...


Considering this from the 6/24 weekly update: UPDATE: Robotech® The Masters Saga™ to be released in 8½ x 11 format

Suddenly, there are only two dozen copies of Robotech® The Masters Saga in manga format left in the warehouse. That means it is time to re-release the fan-fave sourcebook in the larger 8½ x 11 format. With the amount of artwork and design elements we’d like to put into Robotech® The Masters Saga, we think the 8½ x 11 conversion will top out at 160 pages; $20.95 retail. An August release.

Maybe its time for Palladium to Fix the art for the Myrmidon.

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1. Pg. 54 Under the forest division it mentions a Firbolg mecha, change this to Dryad.
2. Pg. 55 It mentions a Naga mecha in the marsh division, change this to Triton.
3. Pg. 59 mentions the Minotaur mecha, change this to Unicorn.
4. Pg. 138 The last paragragh in the Triton mecha description talks about a short range ion mounted in the head and a weapon called the HIR-44 Pulse Ion Carbine, neither of which has stats.
5. Pg. 246 The Bioroid Terminator power armor mentions a camouflage ability, but no rules are presented.
6. Pg. 248 The Tr-LLR Mk.1 rifle describes a 4 shot grenade launcher, but no stats are given.

Rules could also be included for the anti-pain serum given to the Masters legionary conscripts in episode 59, and the Hover platforms and vehicles we see used by the Masters internal security forces inside the motherships. Also, add the Triumviroid Attack Drone.

Some pictures and links of the Masters vehicles:

http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/Wrait ... y/Robotech

http://www.robotechresearch.com/

http://robotechvisions.wikia.com/

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Sorry for the thead necro but I can't seem to find the experince tables in the book. Anyone got a page number?


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Comment: Pickup my 1st Palladium RPG Book back in 1990.
Why do they saying TC Cold, Desert, Forest, March & Mountain are Special Forces, there are military units train in evironments & they are not Special Forces. The Alaskan National Guard is train in the cold weather but its not Special Forces & there soldiers don t need a IQ of 14/
IQ 140 RW or higher.

Southern Cross has no Navy Units so its open season on shipping.

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