Can MDC species become Mystic Knights?

[jtjr26]

I was wondering if a species that naturally have MDC and psionic and magic potential be trained to be a Mystic Knight. My background idea is a Knight of the White Rose falls through a rift and winds up in an unfamiliar location and thinks he is on a different world. There is a peaceful D-Bees settlement (I guess he is the D-Bee in this case) in the area. He befriends them, eventually learns to communicate with them and acts as a protector for them and eventually takes some local youths on to be trained to become squires with the notion to start a new branch of the Order of the White Rose with the squires becoming the first generation of new knights. He eventually finds out he is in a different dimension in a relatively quiet corner of the Three Galaxies.

I have read the class description of both the original description and the follow up (WB 16 pg 91 and WB 29 pg 22). There does not seem to be any restrictions against it that I can find or am I missing something?

Cheers

[drewkitty ~..~]

I would say that would be up to individual GMs to make a choice on. If the GM is looking for high powered chars the GM might allow it. But if the GM just wants lower mid. range chars they probably would not allow it.

Thou, in the technical sense, because MKs are just a variant of the (psi) Mystic class, any race that could become a (psi) Mysic should also become a MK. If they are given direction by a MK.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I was wondering if a species that naturally have MDC and psionic and magic potential be trained to be a Mystic Knight. My background idea is a Knight of the White Rose falls through a rift and winds up in an unfamiliar location and thinks he is on a different world. There is a peaceful D-Bees settlement (I guess he is the D-Bee in this case) in the area. He befriends them, eventually learns to communicate with them and acts as a protector for them and eventually takes some local youths on to be trained to become squires with the notion to start a new branch of the Order of the White Rose with the squires becoming the first generation of new knights. He eventually finds out he is in a different dimension in a relatively quiet corner of the Three Galaxies.

I have read the class description of both the original description and the follow up (WB 16 pg 91 and WB 29 pg 22). There does not seem to be any restrictions against it that I can find or am I missing something?

Cheers

Correct, there is nothing stopping an MDC being from becoming a Mystic Knight. only a very few classes are barred from being taken by MDC creatures and Mystic Knight is not one of them.

The race in question is still bound by it's own available O.C.C.'s list, if any, so only MDC beings that say they can become mystics, can become mystic-variants like Mystic Knights.

[HarleeKnight]

Yes, they can. Madhaven states that there are some Haven Mutants that are MKs, and all Haven Mutants are MDC creatures.

[Axelmania]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

[Nekira Sudacne]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

Correct.

[Axelmania]

yeah much like the spell, guess that's only a thing if you have TW device

unlike Impervious to Fire, which does, making it awesome for an MK, counterintuitive as it seems

I might be dreaming but I was wondering if there was some kind of 'protects gear with my natural abilities' spell or ability somewhere... maybe not

[HarleeKnight]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

It kinda does... in the fluff.
MKotWR can ride War Birds when the bird has their MDC energy aura active. I doubt they ride them naked, so one could extrapolate that the Impervious to Energy protects their worn gear. (WB 29 Madhaven: pg. 108, bottom left corner)

[Nekira Sudacne]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

It kinda does... in the fluff.
MKotWR can ride War Birds when the bird has their MDC energy aura active. I doubt they ride them naked, so one could extrapolate that the Impervious to Energy protects their worn gear. (WB 29 Madhaven: pg. 108, bottom left corner)

Or one can extrapolate that not ALL MK's ride War Birds, but only ones who A: want to and also B: have something to protect their gear. The fact they can doesn't mean they should, or that they wouldn't need additional things to help. All Cowboys can ride horses, but *most* of them would rather have a bit and bridle and saddle while doing it: the fact the OCC doesn't mention these doesn't mean they do it without anything to help them.

[HarleeKnight]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

It kinda does... in the fluff.
MKotWR can ride War Birds when the bird has their MDC energy aura active. I doubt they ride them naked, so one could extrapolate that the Impervious to Energy protects their worn gear. (WB 29 Madhaven: pg. 108, bottom left corner)

Or one can extrapolate that not ALL MK's ride War Birds, but only ones who A: want to and also B: have something to protect their gear. The fact they can doesn't mean they should, or that they wouldn't need additional things to help. All Cowboys can ride horses, but *most* of them would rather have a bit and bridle and saddle while doing it: the fact the OCC doesn't mention these doesn't mean they do it without anything to help them.

So, in that same page and paragraph, it states there is a Special Forces unit of 24 MKs that ride the War Birds as their specified mount. On page 87 it states that the Cherubim TW Body Armor is the armor they wear. The Cherubim armor doesn't list "Impervious to Energy" as an ability of the armor.
So, my question to you is...
In your game, you would rather over-complicate matters, by either A: making this elite unit ride their mounts naked into battle, or B: have them use an item that doesn't show up in any book, anywhere, that protects their gear from the bird's energy aura, than just say, "Yeah, I think their natural ability "Impervious to Energy" protects their gear."?

[Giant2005]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

It kinda does... in the fluff.
MKotWR can ride War Birds when the bird has their MDC energy aura active. I doubt they ride them naked, so one could extrapolate that the Impervious to Energy protects their worn gear. (WB 29 Madhaven: pg. 108, bottom left corner)

Or one can extrapolate that not ALL MK's ride War Birds, but only ones who A: want to and also B: have something to protect their gear. The fact they can doesn't mean they should, or that they wouldn't need additional things to help. All Cowboys can ride horses, but *most* of them would rather have a bit and bridle and saddle while doing it: the fact the OCC doesn't mention these doesn't mean they do it without anything to help them.

So, in that same page and paragraph, it states there is a Special Forces unit of 24 MKs that ride the War Birds as their specified mount. On page 87 it states that the Cherubim TW Body Armor is the armor they wear. The Cherubim armor doesn't list "Impervious to Energy" as an ability of the armor.
So, my question to you is...
In your game, you would rather over-complicate matters, by either A: making this elite unit ride their mounts naked into battle, or B: have them use an item that doesn't show up in any book, anywhere, that protects their gear from the bird's energy aura, than just say, "Yeah, I think their natural ability "Impervious to Energy" protects their gear."?

Option A isn't over-complicating matters, it is just reading the book as it is written. Your option C is more complicated, as it adds an extra, unwritten dimension in the protecting of their gear. It is a hell of a messy ruling to make too because there are heaps of classes out there with immunities. Are you going to have their immunities apply to their gear too? In my opinion, doing so just makes the likes of the Burster less special and that is something to be avoided.

[HarleeKnight]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

It kinda does... in the fluff.
MKotWR can ride War Birds when the bird has their MDC energy aura active. I doubt they ride them naked, so one could extrapolate that the Impervious to Energy protects their worn gear. (WB 29 Madhaven: pg. 108, bottom left corner)

Or one can extrapolate that not ALL MK's ride War Birds, but only ones who A: want to and also B: have something to protect their gear. The fact they can doesn't mean they should, or that they wouldn't need additional things to help. All Cowboys can ride horses, but *most* of them would rather have a bit and bridle and saddle while doing it: the fact the OCC doesn't mention these doesn't mean they do it without anything to help them.

So, in that same page and paragraph, it states there is a Special Forces unit of 24 MKs that ride the War Birds as their specified mount. On page 87 it states that the Cherubim TW Body Armor is the armor they wear. The Cherubim armor doesn't list "Impervious to Energy" as an ability of the armor.
So, my question to you is...
In your game, you would rather over-complicate matters, by either A: making this elite unit ride their mounts naked into battle, or B: have them use an item that doesn't show up in any book, anywhere, that protects their gear from the bird's energy aura, than just say, "Yeah, I think their natural ability "Impervious to Energy" protects their gear."?

Option A isn't over-complicating matters, it is just reading the book as it is written. Your option C is more complicated, as it adds an extra, unwritten dimension in the protecting of their gear. It is a hell of a messy ruling to make too because there are heaps of classes out there with immunities. Are you going to have their immunities apply to their gear too? In my opinion, doing so just makes the likes of the Burster less special and that is something to be avoided.

"it adds an extra, unwritten dimension in the protecting of their gear", but a 3rd party "something to protect their gear" isn't doing this?

Let's talk about one of those other classes that has immunities, the Magebane. (It's the only one I can think of at the moment) This class is "Impervious to Magic" and in the description it says they can walk through an Impenetrable Wall of Force, except according to you they would have to do it naked because it does not specifically say that it affects their gear too?

[drewkitty ~..~]

*throws in my two cents*
The way I read the Imp to E is that it is the MK and what they are wearing. Yes, I am reading it as I read the intent of the text even thou the text doesn't explicitly say that. This is due to the recognition of the level of writing it was written at.
Yes, I know this opinion is apathetical to the way I typically argue things here, but it also makes sense if you want to KISS.

[Giant2005]

Let's talk about one of those other classes that has immunities, the Magebane. (It's the only one I can think of at the moment) This class is "Impervious to Magic" and in the description it says they can walk through an Impenetrable Wall of Force, except according to you they would have to do it naked because it does not specifically say that it affects their gear too?

As written, yes they would need to be naked to walk through an impenetrable Wall of Force. Although, I wouldn't let them walk through a Wall of Force in the first place, because that same ability states quite clearly that the Magebane can't walk through physical barriers. For some reason, they also seem to think that the Wall of Force isn't physical, when it clearly is, otherwise this would be a moot point as items would have no trouble going through it whether carried by a Magebane or not.

[rem1093]

Let's talk about one of those other classes that has immunities, the Magebane. (It's the only one I can think of at the moment) This class is "Impervious to Magic" and in the description it says they can walk through an Impenetrable Wall of Force, except according to you they would have to do it naked because it does not specifically say that it affects their gear too?

As written, yes they would need to be naked to walk through an impenetrable Wall of Force. Although, I wouldn't let them walk through a Wall of Force in the first place, because that same ability states quite clearly that the Magebane can't walk through physical barriers. For some reason, they also seem to think that the Wall of Force isn't physical, when it clearly is, otherwise this would be a moot point as items would have no trouble going through it whether carried by a Magebane or not.

It doesn't matter that the Wall of Force is physical, it's still a magic construct. So Magebanes wouldn't be stopped by it. The same is true for all magic tattoos, line drawings, and symbols. (As a side note, this is what make the banes so scary to the SN. they are not even effected by the Sanctuary spell.)
As for the knights Impervious to energy, it make more sense for it to be a field. Even most popular comic char. have their invulnerabilitys as a field, for this very reason.
Though you could just go Nightbane and become your armor.

[Axelmania]

On page 87 it states that the Cherubim TW Body Armor is the armor they wear.
The Cherubim armor doesn't list "Impervious to Energy" as an ability of the armor.

Would there be anything preventing the addition of additional TW enhancements to make an enhanced version of the Cherubim?

have them use an item that doesn't show up in any book, anywhere, that protects their gear from the bird's energy aura

Why not? Since RUE gave some generic creation rules I pretty much assume there's all kinds of TW stuff floating around not explicitly statted in examples.

Let's talk about one of those other classes that has immunities, the Magebane. (It's the only one I can think of at the moment) This class is "Impervious to Magic" and in the description it says they can walk through an Impenetrable Wall of Force, except according to you they would have to do it naked because it does not specifically say that it affects their gear too?

I love this idea TBH.

As for the knights Impervious to energy, it make more sense for it to be a field.

Makes sense according to what? If Mystic Knights have auras to protect their armor then why would they even need to shoot energy bolts from their hands? Just shoot it from their guns, don't give away they have powers.

Even most popular comic char. have their invulnerabilitys as a field, for this very reason.

Which ones? In some incarnations Superman's tights are actuall armor made of indestructible yarn though I think there was one later incarnation about him having a 1 inch protective force field. Golden/Silver/Crisis resets and all that jazz.

[Nekira Sudacne]

That whole Impervious to Energy thing doesn't mention protecting gear though right?

It kinda does... in the fluff.
MKotWR can ride War Birds when the bird has their MDC energy aura active. I doubt they ride them naked, so one could extrapolate that the Impervious to Energy protects their worn gear. (WB 29 Madhaven: pg. 108, bottom left corner)

Or one can extrapolate that not ALL MK's ride War Birds, but only ones who A: want to and also B: have something to protect their gear. The fact they can doesn't mean they should, or that they wouldn't need additional things to help. All Cowboys can ride horses, but *most* of them would rather have a bit and bridle and saddle while doing it: the fact the OCC doesn't mention these doesn't mean they do it without anything to help them.

So, in that same page and paragraph, it states there is a Special Forces unit of 24 MKs that ride the War Birds as their specified mount. On page 87 it states that the Cherubim TW Body Armor is the armor they wear. The Cherubim armor doesn't list "Impervious to Energy" as an ability of the armor.
So, my question to you is...
In your game, you would rather over-complicate matters, by either A: making this elite unit ride their mounts naked into battle, or B: have them use an item that doesn't show up in any book, anywhere, that protects their gear from the bird's energy aura, than just say, "Yeah, I think their natural ability "Impervious to Energy" protects their gear."?

I don't think I agree with the premise of the question: Both answers are simple and uncomplicated, so Occams razor doesn't actually help much here.