how do you hit armor on a roll of 1-4?

[Axelmania]

I thought you needed 5+ to hit something and 1-4 was a miss.

RUE 288 mentions (2 par before "last bit" rule on right column)

once it's MDC is reduced to zero ..
body armor is so battered and full of holes that it is only effective against SDC weapons ..
only stopping attacks that are 1-7 to strike

Shouldn't it be only stopping attacks that are 5/6/7 to hit, since 1/2/3/4 misses anyway?

[Mack]

Only a Natural 1 is always a miss. (RUE p346)
A Roll of 2, 3, or 4 can still get a bonus to strike.

[Killer Cyborg]

I thought you needed 5+ to hit something and 1-4 was a miss.

RUE 288 mentions (2 par before "last bit" rule on right column)

once it's MDC is reduced to zero ..
body armor is so battered and full of holes that it is only effective against SDC weapons ..
only stopping attacks that are 1-7 to strike

Shouldn't it be only stopping attacks that are 5/6/7 to hit, since 1/2/3/4 misses anyway?

Probably.
But there's no real difference in most cases between "the armor that doesn't take any damage has stopped the hit" and "the shot missed entirely."
That's how armor works in many games, really, including D&D (especially early D&D); there's no real distinction between "the armor takes the hit" and "the attack misses."

With ranged attacks needing an 8 to strike, the armor remnants would only matter against melee attacks, i suppose.

[Axelmania]

Only a Natural 1 is always a miss. (RUE p346)
A Roll of 2, 3, or 4 can still get a bonus to strike.

I mean modified though, pretty sure the 1-7 refers to modified rolls. Modified 1-4 misses AFAIK

there's no real difference in most cases between "the armor that doesn't take any damage has stopped the hit" and "the shot missed entirely."
That's how armor works in many games, really, including D&D (especially early D&D); there's no real distinction between "the armor takes the hit" and "the attack misses."

There is with SDC armor but the implication seems to be that once MDC armor is at 0 it can't be damaged further and retains an effect natural AR of 7 for eternity.

Where it might matter is if some kind of knockback rules were used for SDC attacks. I can only seem to remember them for MD ones.

With ranged attacks needing an 8 to strike, the armor remnants would only matter against melee attacks, i suppose.

A strange conceptual oddity, I'd much rather just make ranged attacks -3 to hit and -3 to defend and use a fixed "5+ to hit" for everything. That way ARs of 5-7 could matter.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I thought you needed 5+ to hit something and 1-4 was a miss.

RUE 288 mentions (2 par before "last bit" rule on right column)

once it's MDC is reduced to zero ..
body armor is so battered and full of holes that it is only effective against SDC weapons ..
only stopping attacks that are 1-7 to strike

Shouldn't it be only stopping attacks that are 5/6/7 to hit, since 1/2/3/4 misses anyway?

What is should of said was that the protection vs SD weapons had an AR 7.

[Mack]

Only a Natural 1 is always a miss. (RUE p346)
A Roll of 2, 3, or 4 can still get a bonus to strike.

I mean modified though, pretty sure the 1-7 refers to modified rolls. Modified 1-4 misses AFAIK

Please read RUE p346.

[Axelmania]

Modified 1-4 misses AFAIK

Please read RUE p346.

"A roll of 1-4 to strike (after bonuses) is always a miss"
Isn't that the equivalent to what I said?

I see it says below it about a 1 always missing but I didn't contradict that.

Are you saying that rolls of 1-7 refer to natural or to modified?

[Mack]

There some miscommunication at play here, of which I'll take the blame. I'll re-phrase.

I meant to communicate that a roll of 2 (or higher) with a +3 to strike is a hit. Nothing more or less.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Are you saying that rolls of 1-7 refer to natural or to modified?

An AR 7 protects from hits that have strike rolls (nat. or Mod.) of 7 or less.

Note, AR is an aspect of SDC Armor. However, it fits the words used in the text.

Spoiler:

However, there is a flaw in the rules about AR. And to correct that flaw many GMs have it AR protection at AR+4. 4 being the highest miss strike roll.
In which, the modification for what I said is AR 3. 4+3=7.

[Axelmania]

There some miscommunication at play here, of which I'll take the blame. I'll re-phrase.

I meant to communicate that a roll of 2 (or higher) with a +3 to strike is a hit. Nothing more or less.

Yeah, what I mean is that since that's a modified 5, hits on expired-MDC that don't penetrate would fall into the range of modified 5 to modified 7, excluding modified 1 to modified 4 which don't hit.