do/should drawbacks from 1 magic OCC affect dual-OCC chars?

[Axelmania]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

[eliakon]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

If he is casting a spell and using his LLW class then yes, if he is using his TW class then no.
So basically...he picks how he casts each spell... but he can't pick the best of both worlds. So he cant say "well this class lets me get this perk, and this class gives me this one...so I get both"

[ShadowLogan]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

Multi-OCC Characters though have frozen levels in other OCCs, but only 1 active OCC. You can't by the rules multi-class and progress in more than one OCC. So the penalties for a TW would only apply if that was the active OCC in terms of what is gaining XP IMHO.

[Nekira Sudacne]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

Yes.

More interesting is the fact that K'Zaa knows Rune Magic and can make Rune Weapons, as FoM Says refer to conversion book one for the full details about his magic, and said book says ALL Lizard Mage's who are Techno-Wizards automatically know rune magic and can make rune weapons and items.

[Drakenred®™©]

Just don't expect it to be easy

See vampire kingdom and rifts Japan for 2 examples of how to make weapons that are not quite rune weapons

[Axelmania]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

If he is casting a spell and using his LLW class then yes, if he is using his TW class then no.

This works well enough if you were for example, 2 kinds of mystic, but since spellcasters can teach other spellcasters spells, shouldn't it stand to reason that a Techno-Wizard could teach a Ley Line Walker (even if the LLW was himself) a spell he started off with as a Techno-Wizard?

K'Zaa knows Rune Magic and can make Rune Weapons, as FoM Says refer to conversion book one for the full details about his magic, and said book says ALL Lizard Mage's who are Techno-Wizards automatically know rune magic and can make rune weapons and items.

I'm thinking the 2nd-last sentence of his 3rd paragraph on p61 (original or revised) might possibly over-ride that.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Somehow missed that. Kind of bizzare really. What's the point of saying all Lizard Mage TW's are runesmiths if the only canon NPC and most promient Lizard Mage on Rifts Earth and leader of one of the larger city-states and arms manufactuers doesn't have it.

[Drakenred®™©]

I think it's kind of a Well yes, anyone in North American can build automobiles and airplanes including high proformance aircraft..... so long as they have the resources to do it and can get the right job at a factory....because that is what people in North American can do.

because that is technically accurate

that or your looking at a copy paste that overlooked details

[Axelmania]

Somehow missed that. Kind of bizzare really. What's the point of saying all Lizard Mage TW's are runesmiths if the only canon NPC and most promient Lizard Mage on Rifts Earth and leader of one of the larger city-states and arms manufactuers doesn't have it.

So you know the other ones can do it, I guess? They wrote that for LMs long before K'zaa got published anyway.

[Killer Cyborg]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

Yes.

More interesting is the fact that K'Zaa knows Rune Magic and can make Rune Weapons, as FoM Says refer to conversion book one for the full details about his magic, and said book says ALL Lizard Mage's who are Techno-Wizards automatically know rune magic and can make rune weapons and items.

[Killer Cyborg]

like in FoM when K'Zaa is a TW (RUE 128 spell casting penalty for not having a focus) but he's also a LLW, to avoid the penalty could he simply opt to cast at his LLW level instead of his TW level?

If he is casting a spell and using his LLW class then yes, if he is using his TW class then no.

This works well enough if you were for example, 2 kinds of mystic, but since spellcasters can teach other spellcasters spells, shouldn't it stand to reason that a Techno-Wizard could teach a Ley Line Walker (even if the LLW was himself) a spell he started off with as a Techno-Wizard?

It is arguably reasonable. That kind of thing would be up to the Game Master.

So yeah....
By the rules as I understand them:

The character starts off as a Techno-Wizard and gets a list of spells that he can cast as a Techno-Wizard, and that list of spells would have the TW penalties.
The character later becomes a Ley Line Walker, and gets a list of spells that he can cast as a LLW. Those spells do not have the TW penalties.
At this point, the TW spells still have penalties.
IF the GM allows it, the character could potentially teach himself to cast the TW spells as LLW spells, bypassing the TW penalties. This would take time, but I think that it should be doable.

Even if it's NOT possible for a character to teach himself a spell, he could potentially work a trade where he teaches another mage those spells, and that mage teaches the character the spells back, with the character learning those spells as a LLW, not as a TW.

Make sense?

[Axelmania]

Even if it's NOT possible for a character to teach himself a spell, he could potentially work a trade where he teaches another mage those spells, and that mage teaches the character the spells back, with the character learning those spells as a LLW, not as a TW.

Make sense?

Yeah. It'd be more interesting if we had some kind of variable skills, maybe one rolled by the teacher and one rolled by the learner?