Taking SDC damage while in MDC armor

[jburkett]

Hello, I believe there are rules for characters taking SDC damage while in MDC body armor and power armor from falls and perhaps impact (?) but are their rules for taking SDC damage from other kinds of situations. For example, a particularly concussive blast over a certain amount of MDC damage? Do any of you have house rules for this? Thanks!

[The Beast]

Yes there are/were rules for that.

RMB, page 12:

Fall: 1 point of damage for every 10 ft of height.
Crash: 1d4 points for every 10 mph over 30 mph.
Explosion impact: 1 point for every 10 MD from an explosion.

I currently don't know how much of that carried over in RUE, so I'll look through it and pass on the page numbers if I find any.

[The Beast]

Okay, on page 356 of the RUE it was changed from 10 to 20. So change the 10's to 20's, and change the 30 mph to 50 mph and you're up-to-date.

[glitterboy2098]

Iirc RUE has optional rules for through armor damage from regular combat damage

[jburkett]

Okay, thanks! RUE pg 356 has what I'm looking for. The only remaining question I have is if folks think that a charge and ram attack would fall under the "high speed crash" rules or would it make more sense to use the "Impact from explosion" rules? The reason I might choose the latter is because you don't always know how fast the Devil Unicorn is moving when it hits you with a "power strike" (1D4 x 10 M.D.). Thanks!

[The Beast]

Okay, thanks! RUE pg 356 has what I'm looking for. The only remaining question I have is if folks think that a charge and ram attack would fall under the "high speed crash" rules or would it make more sense to use the "Impact from explosion" rules? The reason I might choose the latter is because you don't always know how fast the Devil Unicorn is moving when it hits you with a "power strike" (1D4 x 10 M.D.). Thanks!

I'd only use the crash rules if there's a vehicle being used to hit the target. Power strike's I'd use the impact rule.

[ShadowLogan]

Hello, I believe there are rules for characters taking SDC damage while in MDC body armor and power armor from falls and perhaps impact (?) but are their rules for taking SDC damage from other kinds of situations. For example, a particularly concussive blast over a certain amount of MDC damage? Do any of you have house rules for this? Thanks!

Some magic spells can penetrate armor (body armor and light power armor) and railguns.

[Killer Cyborg]

Okay, thanks! RUE pg 356 has what I'm looking for. The only remaining question I have is if folks think that a charge and ram attack would fall under the "high speed crash" rules or would it make more sense to use the "Impact from explosion" rules? The reason I might choose the latter is because you don't always know how fast the Devil Unicorn is moving when it hits you with a "power strike" (1D4 x 10 M.D.). Thanks!

I'd only use the crash rules if there's a vehicle being used to hit the target. Power strike's I'd use the impact rule.

If it's something as fast and heavy as a vehicle, I could see using the same tables, if it was moving full-tilt at the time.

[eliakon]

Okay, thanks! RUE pg 356 has what I'm looking for. The only remaining question I have is if folks think that a charge and ram attack would fall under the "high speed crash" rules or would it make more sense to use the "Impact from explosion" rules? The reason I might choose the latter is because you don't always know how fast the Devil Unicorn is moving when it hits you with a "power strike" (1D4 x 10 M.D.). Thanks!

I would say that in most cases it wont do anything.
This is because MDC body armor is able to shrug off a lot of damage due to the handwavium properties of MDC armor.
This is made especially apparent in that MDC armor is able to keep dinosaur hunters alive and well hunting dinosaurs.

If something does a "ram" though... the speed is easy. Convert its SPD stat to MPH and thats how fast it can run to hit you
That said, I would reserve that for big creatures that way several tons.

[glitterboy2098]

i'd honestly treat rams/charges as "impact from explosion".. because it is just another type of broad surface impact, and doing it that way means you only have to worry about the damage dealt, without having to figure out all the math to convert the animal's SPD stat into running speed in MPH and such.

[Axelmania]

Okay, on page 356 of the RUE it was changed from 10 to 20. So change the 10's to 20's, and change the 30 mph to 50 mph and you're up-to-date.

I found the change strange, was minor damage really that big a problem? Top-line body armor like the CS went from 80 to 120 from RMB to CWC so you're still only looking at 8-12 SDC which the 1D4x10 from Men at Arms OCCs could easily absorb, especilaly when tacking on physical skills.

The time it would take to heal that would probably be the amount of time it would take you to get a fresh suit of armor.

[Levi]

In Rifter #30 the "A cut Above" article has optional rules for pass through from combat while in M.D.C. armor. Among a few other things.

[Blackwater Sniper]

Do different models of armor negate any damage more than just having a higher MDC rating?

If I were piloting a suit of power armor I think there would be less internal damage taken than those people in a wheeled transport.