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Cool, now I can buy my GM a copy of the book and go over a character I want to play again. :-D

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I'd be careful with that site they are selling arms of nagash-tor. Which is a free download from this site. You can get it in the cutting room floor.

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I'd be careful with that site they are selling arms of nagash-tor. Which is a free download from this site. You can get it in the cutting room floor.


Uhm... not any more. :? Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.

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Didn't know that. But I checked and you are right. I just lost a little respect for Palladium. :(

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Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.


not a nice move!

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Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.


not a nice move!


Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

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Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.


well, I downloaded it YEARS ago. but what about new fans of Palladium Fantasy (oh, okay, I guess it's kinda hard to be a new fan of a system that gets neglected the way PF is)?? I think it's unfair to take that free scenario away from them. not to mention people who want to re-download it (after data-loss) and always felt secure about it being on the website. at least it should have been announced ("last chance to get it").

also, what happened to the announcement of "more stuff" being put on the Cutting Room Floor? now there is even less...

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Unread postPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:42 am
  

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Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.


well, I downloaded it YEARS ago. but what about new fans of Palladium Fantasy (oh, okay, I guess it's kinda hard to be a new fan of a system that gets neglected the way PF is)?? I think it's unfair to take that free scenario away from them. not to mention people who want to re-download it (after data-loss) and always felt secure about it being on the website. at least it should have been announced ("last chance to get it").

also, what happened to the announcement of "more stuff" being put on the Cutting Room Floor? now there is even less...


Hi there. Long time lurker, first time poster. As someone that’s been playing Palladium games for 20+ years and other games for even longer, I have to say that this is nothing more than a sound business decision for Palladium. Lots of RPG companies will offer a PDF for free and then, for various reasons, decide to charge for it. There is nothing wrong with that. Palladium is a business and has to make decisions that are best for the health of that business. And besides, the charge for the PDF isn’t all that much any way. Why are some people so upset about this?


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Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.


not a nice move!


Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

Never even knew it was there, and that's really not cool to charge for what was free before. If I knew about it I'd downloaded but I'm not going to pay for it now.

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Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.


not a nice move!


Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

Never even knew it was there, and that's really not cool to charge for what was free before. If I knew about it I'd downloaded but I'm not going to pay for it now.


It's worth the money that they're charging for it...even if they gave it away before.

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One thing that bothered me about the book is how the Athanatos are obviously somehow linked to the Spirits of Light, yet it makes no reference to them at all when discussing the Grigoi or whatever they were called. You'd think the SoL (heck they even have the same acronym as the book...) would be linked to the Guardians or something.

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Vidynn wrote:
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Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.


not a nice move!


Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

Never even knew it was there, and that's really not cool to charge for what was free before. If I knew about it I'd downloaded but I'm not going to pay for it now.


Well, kids. Capitalism my not be cool, but it is the way the world has worked since cavemen traded pretty rocks and shells. Last I checked, every country is at least marginally captialist these days (reformations in Cuba and China pretty much made socialism in capitalism light)

Back in the day, nobody ever paid for files off the internet, but times have changed, and electronic data has a determinable value.

And before any of you quote hacker credos- I've probably been using computers and the internet longer than you, and information has never been free. Instead of it taking hours of your day searching the ancient systems to find a free download, its a 5 second search engine and a credit card number. Assuming you make minimum wage, it's still better today. Least I think so.

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Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"

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Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"


How old is that post?

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Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"


How old is that post?

well, my latest ban ended 2 weeks ago, so.....

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Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"


How old is that post?

well, my latest ban ended 2 weeks ago, so.....


Sure you got the correct section? A search of "Help Save Palladium Books!" using "Shadows of Light" only gets four hits and none have anything to do with it not being canceled. I tried "SoL" but that finds no matches.

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It was in both "is PDF possible" and "why" threads, both in the Save PB section.

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It was in both "is PDF possible" and "why" threads, both in the Save PB section.


Checked both threads again in "is PDF possible" could only find your post about Shadows of Light and in "why" could find no post mentioning the book at all. I'm a little tired so that may be why I'm missing the posts you are talking about. Could you be more specific with the name of the poster or even better a direct link to the post (ever post has a pic on it that gives you the url for that post).

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I got a copy on ebay for $117. It was the most expensive book i ever bought. It was okay, but no new morphus tables so i didnt spend much time on it.

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Do you think perhaps every product you guys have ever made will eventually be made available on PDF if they won't be reprinted?

I ask in regards to really old stuff like 1st ed PF, TMNT, AtB sourcebooks, which I'd like to eventually collect.

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Most of the officially out-of-print and "dead" items (no longer supported with no intention of bringing back) already are available at http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com but the prices are what you'd expect to pay for an actual game PDF, not an out-dated dead book (about $10 per PDF, some of the smaller ones as low as $5)

Sadly, its of poorer quality than most pirated material in the ether, and the pirated material usually includes many OOP items (like all the original RT and Macross books) that Palladium either cant or wont (varies with title and licensing) sell on DT

Indeed, SoL is the only book I cannot find available outside of the DT site, which, as I mentioned, did rather poor PDF copies of PB product.

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what format is the pdfs? are they available in adobe reader pdf format?

The "Format" of the PDFs has nothing to do with which readers can vuew the file, when we refer to PDF we refer to things such as OEF (Original Electronic File, or the type of quality sent to a printer for producing the books), OCR (Optical Character Recognition, basically a scan that has the text selectable for searching, copy/pasting etc.) and Raw Scans (what you get directly from a scanner, basically the same as taking a picture of the page and plugging them all into a file), unfortunately the books available on DTRPG are all Raw Scans.


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what format is the pdfs? are they available in adobe reader pdf format?

The "Format" of the PDFs has nothing to do with which readers can vuew the file, when we refer to PDF we refer to things such as OEF (Original Electronic File, or the type of quality sent to a printer for producing the books), OCR (Optical Character Recognition, basically a scan that has the text selectable for searching, copy/pasting etc.) and Raw Scans (what you get directly from a scanner, basically the same as taking a picture of the page and plugging them all into a file), unfortunately the books available on DTRPG are all Raw Scans.


I can't stand reading stuff off pdf's. I'm a big bathroom reader like most men.

Back in the day...I actually had the book in my hand but didn't buy it....wish I did now, cuz i'm an obsessed idiot when it come to collection completeness.

From what I remember I was turned off by the Athanatos/super angel aspect so I passed on the purchase at that time.

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I can't stand reading stuff off pdf's. I'm a big bathroom reader like most men.

Actually some of the new e-readers should be able to handle PDFs pretty smoothly. Wave of the future...

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I can't stand reading stuff off pdf's. I'm a big bathroom reader like most men.

Actually some of the new e-readers should be able to handle PDFs pretty smoothly. Wave of the future...



Yeah but can the poor e-reader handle the bathroom trauma?

Hehe...smoothly...hehe... :clown:

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Hey guys! Love the game (and got a demo planned for a RPG Con in town this fall) Nightbanes is one of the cooler settings that all my players to date have enjoyed, and actually SoL wasn't that bad since it had a ton of tidbits and ideas in it, one thing that might explain the pulling of the book from the Verse' is the Athanatos and the eerie similaritys to a group of 'Demon's or 'Fallen' angels, especial the way they could manifest a set number of powers (hmmm I think in both books it was three) without taking full form. Pleas don't burn my post or log in since I am a long time GM n player I'm just tossing my night lords style conspiracy out there and wondering what you all think?

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one thing that might explain the pulling of the book from the Verse' is the Athanatos and the eerie similaritys to a group of 'Demon's or 'Fallen' angels, especial the way they could manifest a set number of powers (hmmm I think in both books it was three) without taking full form.

I have no clue what other title you're referring to so can't weigh in on this. I guess the previous impression I got was that it didn't fit so well with the overall Nightbane theme. But that might just be an obscure reason given to avoid mentioning what you're saying. Although I thought they were more forthcoming over events that forced them to change the game name to Nightbane.

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Personally, I liked the Project Pandora parts of SoL, I think the Athanatos parts would have been better served if they had been the result of a latent Nightbane being subjected to Psychotrol as oppossed to being 'angels.' One of the big taboos in the RPG industry are the Abrahamic religions, and SoL took that taboo for a wife with the Athanatos.


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Just so Kevin can known book is new sell for over 100 dollars on amazon and ever other online retailer reprinted is need badly.

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Just so Kevin can known book is new sell for over 100 dollars on amazon and ever other online retailer reprinted is need badly.


Just posting to amplify that it still sells for well over $50 so a small print run might do go. Also, even though we got a new book a few years back nothing is in the pipeline so a reprint could pimp the line.

On a separate topic could the copy on DTRPG be added to their POD system?

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as oppossed to being 'angels.'
This is still an option, the Athanatos "origin story" is merely the legend they tell, not necessarily the truth.

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One of the big taboos in the RPG industry are the Abrahamic religions, and SoL took that taboo for a wife with the Athanatos.

The Athanatos aren't linked to Abrahamic trilogy far as I know, they're just Spirits of Light (introduced in PRPG) possessing babies.

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A used copy is $120 on Amazon as of yesterday. Is it still available on PDF, for how much and where do I go to get it?

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Unread postPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:51 pm
  

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Good to know.

Update: I just signed up on there and got it.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:46 pm
  

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Looks they are reprinting it now! Awesome


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I'm glad they decided to finally reprint this book!

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I'm glad they decided to finally reprint this book!
oh they did?

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I'm glad they decided to finally reprint this book!
oh they did?

Yes, they announced it in the November 2nd weekly update.

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Glistam wrote:
I'm glad they decided to finally reprint this book!
oh they did?

Yes, they announced it in the November 2nd weekly update.
I have not been keeping up on those. It will be nice if I can get a paper copy.

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I had an original print run copy, sold it after some PB shenanigans, and bought it again for nostalgia. It will sit on my shelf.

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I ordered it. Nice to be able to not have to pay huge prices for a paper copy.

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