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Unread postPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:02 am
  

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I hust started to read the rulesbook from cover to cover because we are going to start a new Nightbane-Campaign (the first after five years, yeah!) soon.

I noticed there is some confusion concerning the date of Dark Day (sorry if this came up already).

On page 11 of the rulesbook (RB) it is clearly stated that Dark Day occurred on March 6, 2000. But there are two passages that are obviously a mistake:

On page 7 of the RB the Wanderer says that it is "a year and a day" since Dark Day - the entry is dated May 8, 2001, which would make Dark Day May 7, 2000. This mistake is "supported" by RB pg 22 where it is said that some Seekers predicted Dark Day to happen in May 2000 (they did that six months prior to the invasion, as said in the text).

My guess is that those two paragraphs were simply overlooked in the final version, probably at one time Dark Day was supposed to happen in May, not March 2000.

There is another minor mistake in the RB when it comes to figures: On page 13 it is said Carson got 76% when he was re-elected, page 31 says 89%. Maybe someone at Palladium Books wants to correct this when Nightbane goes to the printer again.

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I hust started to read the rulesbook from cover to cover because we are going to start a new Nightbane-Campaign (the first after five years, yeah!) soon.

I noticed there is some confusion concerning the date of Dark Day (sorry if this came up already).

On page 11 of the rulesbook (RB) it is clearly stated that Dark Day occurred on March 6, 2000. But there are two passages that are obviously a mistake:

On page 7 of the RB the Wanderer says that it is "a year and a day" since Dark Day - the entry is dated May 8, 2001, which would make Dark Day May 7, 2000. This mistake is "supported" by RB pg 22 where it is said that some Seekers predicted Dark Day to happen in May 2000 (they did that six months prior to the invasion, as said in the text). My guess is that those two paragraphs were simply overlooked in the final version, probably at one time Dark Day was supposed to happen in May, not March 2000.


Assuming that the entry was written on the same day it was published, you're right. Unfortunately one is left in the dark ( :D ) as to which is supposed to be the correct date, March 6th, or May 7th.

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There is another minor mistake in the RB when it comes to figures: On page 13 it is said Carson got 76% when he was re-elected, page 31 says 89%. Maybe someone at Palladium Books wants to correct this when Nightbane goes to the printer again.


Yeah, alas, editors and proofreaders are not infallible. Heck, in my copy (ironically printed in March 2000), it still refers to Nightbane as Nightspawn on page 133. We'll have to remind Alex of these when the next printing rolls around.

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Tinker, you're right, "date published" and "date written" need not to be the same. but with that other passage about May I still think, there was an error when it came to proof-reading. and yes, there are some "Nightspawns" in it too.

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Things get by the best of editors and at least in the past the Palladium editors were far from digilent. Even those are facts that are hard to catch without proofreaders (which I think palladium doesn't use?)

But if Rifts went for 13+ printings were 'Borgs couldn't get Cybernetics in favor of their natural abilities and incorrect autofire rules, I don't think they're going to fix slight things like this.

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I always go with March 6th. Also, remember, Dark Day began at approx 6 am EST on March 6, 2000 and lasted for 24 hours. So Dark Day didn't end until the morning of March 7. That means March 8, 2001 would in fact be "a year and a day" since Dark Day ended. I think "May" is just a typo.

As for the election result percentages for Carson, I don't have my books with me, but there's two possible explanations:

1 - elected to first term with 76% of popular vote, elected to second term with 89%.

1 - elected with 76% popular vote and 89% electoral college vote (or vice versa)

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yes, May is a typo or left-over in both text-passages, I agree. My guess would be that it was to be May initially and for reasons unknown the author or an editor later changed it - but oversaw the two paragraphs where it is still May for Dark Day.

for the election results: it's always the re-election and it's always "popular vote", so one of the results is defenitely wrong (a proof-reading mistake).
an imaginative interpretation of those two figures could be, that the 76% are the true popular vote (of course, the people were misguided by the Nightlords-Media) and they bumped that up to 89% when announcing the result (maybe they found out that some of the counts - say, in Florida - werent correct and that votes had to be re-counted?) - the rulesbook mentions that at least part of the result in Carson's re-election was faked by the Nightlords and their minions.

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For election, I always saw it as 76% of popular and 89% of the electoral. After all, the more populas states (NY, OH, CA) are firmly in Nightlord hands and hence in the hands of the sitting president, so their voting would relect it, meaning that although his opoisition won in more/mostly rural states (North Dakota west to Idaho and south to Utah/Colorado) he won the big 21 and probably 10-15 beyond that.


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As for the Seeker prediction,I see no reason why their prediction couldn't have been off, hence the discrepency.

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It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.

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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.

March 6, 2000, coincidentally, was my 21st birthday... Thanks for killing that for me :P

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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.


Eh, I'm running it as March. The heightened energy could have been due to a different celestial event. :)

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Warwolf wrote:
el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.


Eh, I'm running it as March. The heightened energy could have been due to a different celestial event. :)

I don't really know that there needed to be a celestial event on Earth plane, it could be since the Nightlords moved from the Nightlands, something in the Nightland cosmology.


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Aluman wrote:
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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.


Eh, I'm running it as March. The heightened energy could have been due to a different celestial event. :)

I don't really know that there needed to be a celestial event on Earth plane, it could be since the Nightlords moved from the Nightlands, something in the Nightland cosmology.


Im telling you, it was me dammit. :D

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asajosh wrote:
Aluman wrote:
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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.


Eh, I'm running it as March. The heightened energy could have been due to a different celestial event. :)

I don't really know that there needed to be a celestial event on Earth plane, it could be since the Nightlords moved from the Nightlands, something in the Nightland cosmology.


Im telling you, it was me dammit. :D

Ahhh you are prophised child of darkness eh?


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Aluman wrote:
asajosh wrote:
Aluman wrote:
Warwolf wrote:
el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.


Eh, I'm running it as March. The heightened energy could have been due to a different celestial event. :)

I don't really know that there needed to be a celestial event on Earth plane, it could be since the Nightlords moved from the Nightlands, something in the Nightland cosmology.


Im telling you, it was me dammit. :D

Ahhh you are prophised child of darkness eh?


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so no one really knows the date of dark day uh. oh well i always considered it to be the 7th.


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As for the Seeker prediction,I see no reason why their prediction couldn't have been off, hence the discrepency.

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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.
Which would certainly explain why the Seekers would think it would be May... and why they were wrong. :D


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Perhaps the so-called Wanderer's journal was actually written years in advance of Dark Day by the Seekers, and the dates are just lies?

It could have been written with the expectation that the "year ago" mention would be accurate to the Seeker's prediction.

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Aluman wrote:
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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
It should be May, the date corresponds with the original date of Beltane, which, before being set to the beginning of May, was originally based off of when the Sun was at 15 degrees in the constellation Taurus, which generally happens about May 5-10.
It is supposed to be astronomically a time of heightened magical energy.


Eh, I'm running it as March. The heightened energy could have been due to a different celestial event. :)

I don't really know that there needed to be a celestial event on Earth plane, it could be since the Nightlords moved from the Nightlands, something in the Nightland cosmology.

Except they don't don't have any cosmology, their sky is completely empty("See that bit of endless darkness there? That's the Great Void, which of course, is right next to the Lesser Void and straight across from the Big Abyss, which you can always find sandwiched between the Dark Emptyness and the Huge Lack of Anything....").

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