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Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:30 am
  

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a) when they become a Sorcerer/Mystic and learn the spell See the Invisible and cast it
b) always! no spell needed!

Pg 70 references "most supernatural creatures" without clarifying which. This is of course a remnant from when the power was originally written for Beyond the Supernatural where many of the supernatural creatures in the book had See the Invisible as a power, so I had assumed it was kind of an opt-in process...

Pg 87 "Supernatural Senses" only appears to referecnce nightvision and sensing other nightbane, but nothing about seeing invisible stuff...

I feel compelled to confront my negative assumptions as of noticing that on page 75 of Between the Shadows under the Necrophim's "Astral Form" it pretty much repeats the Astral Projection disclaimer EXCEPT it says...
    most supernatural creatures (including Nightbane) can see them

The addition of this parenthesis... should it be intended only for Necrophim in Astral Form, or should we take that as some kind of retroactive affirmation that Nightbane are able to see all other astral projectors too?

Pg 78 also says for the Torturian "Nightbane, and most supernatural creatures"

Maybe just these two are exceptions due to being the type of evil guys Nightbane tend to be the bane of? Or should Nightbane also be freely able to see Milleks and Tarantuloids and your casually roaming lesser psychics or sorcerers as well?

Also who might the exceptions to "most" be for supernaturals who can't see Necrophim/Torturians?


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Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:46 am
  

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Those SN beings that can see the invisable can see a char astral projecting in the phyical realms. Along with those specificly listed as being albe to see them.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:07 am
  

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In respect to Nightbane though, do you think that Necrophim+Torturians are the only astral projectors they can see due to the opt-in since they otherwise lack STI?


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Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:54 pm
  

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i'd expect nightbane are able to see astrally projecting people, who are readily visible to young children and all psychics.


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Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:03 pm
  

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All psychics? It's worth entertaining that...
"other psychics, younger children under 13 years old, animals"
...does not necessarily mean that ALL members of these groups ALL the time can see astral projectors 24/7.

BTS had a random % chance of children under 13 getting See the Invisible in stressful situations, and specific animals (dog/cat/horse I believe) got that on 24/7 for free with no % roll, so my guess is it's referring to this for category 2+3, and the 1st category should refer to psychics using "see the invisible".

Nightbane pg 76 supports this, as the power mentions "This includes ghosts, entities and the astral body".

There would be no merit at all in mentioning that a psychic using See the Invisible is able to see astral bodies when the power is active if ALL psychics in general can always see astral bodies 24/7 without needing to do anything.

Pg 70's description of Astral Projection also mentions "While the characters can see the invisible and other astral travelers, they can also see him" .. but if you could already see (for merit of being a psychic) astral travelers then there'd be no point in talking about how the "see the invisible" ability gained by astrally projecting lets you see astral travelers.

That note is slightly strange though... I mean there's got to be at least one creature out there who can turn invisible but can't see the invisible, does this mean astral projectors aren't invisible to such beings? It feels more like "they can also see him" is referring specifically to astral travelers (who gain "see the invisible" as an automatic ability, along with float/fly/pass/impervious) rather than invisible things in general...


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Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:27 pm
  

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I decided to go back and check. The Text for Necrophim and Tautons are identical to the text used for Generic Astral Entities, except the generic one does not include Nightbane.

This leads me to beleive that it is an exception for only those two beings astral forms.

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