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 Post subject: Do Vampires Dream?
Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:36 pm
  

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My quick over-view of Between the Shadows explicitly states Every Human and Many Animals, Nightbane, and Nightlords have dream pools.

There is a statement That the Nocturnes may have Living Nightmares as part of their Organization and Dream Stream Safe Houses, however that only implies traveling to the dream stream physically.

Part of me wants to say yes, another part says no ... Do we have any explicit evidence one way or the other?


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Controlled or Free-Willed? Do Alien Intelligences often sleep/dream? (Other than magical compulsions or long periods of dormancy.)



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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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I have a group of Nightbane who are currently embedded with the Nocturnes.
One of them has the Dreamer power.
I'm toying with an adventure in a vampire dreamstream.

Perhaps a vampire associate has the first dream he can remember since turning ... Perhaps the Intelligence is trying to reinsert itself? Perhaps it's an attack from the outside? Perhaps all vampires have the same dream stream? Perhaps sometimes a cake is just a cake? Perhaps the cake is a lie? Perhaps I should stop while I'm still ahead?


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Dr. Chandra: Of course you will. All intelligent beings dream. Nobody knows why.


Best way to put this.


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Never really thought about it. But vampires do sleep during the day, so it seems reasonable to think they dream. at least i'd be inclined to say they do unless anything specifically says they do not.

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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Even if they did, do we.know every dreamer has a dream pool and dream self or could these be phenomena unique to races mentioned in the OP?

I figured elves/dwarves dreamed too but am not certain if they have dream pools.

Dream Makers mention humans only while Dream.Dancers lack that restriction which makes me imagine other races being Dancers too.


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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My group had this discussion almost 20 years ago. The question was do vampires just become dead bodies unable to awaken at all during the day or are they asleep and able to wake up if required.

In the Vampire Kingdom 1ed I remember saying that vampires could fight in the day if there sanctums are invaded but with penalties. This being the case we said that they sleep, and since they sleep they dream.

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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Now that is a topic of discussion: What do vampires dream about? That would be interesting for any supernatural creatures. Demons, Sphinxes...and what about Supernatural Intelligences? We know they dream but what would their dream pool be like?

Hell, I had a hard time with the dreams of a hatchling dragon.

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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Warshield73 wrote:
Now that is a topic of discussion: What do vampires dream about? That would be interesting for any supernatural creatures. Demons, Sphinxes...and what about Supernatural Intelligences? We know they dream but what would their dream pool be like?

Hell, I had a hard time with the dreams of a hatchling dragon.

That was my point. If the Vampires are controlled, would they dream or would it be the Supernatural Intelligence that is dreaming?


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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It's not quite that simple. as the existance of the Heroic Vampire and the fact that vampires retain skills and memories of their previous life, what actually seems to happen is the origional soul is kicked out and the body animated by the vampire intelligence, but the fragment incorporates those memories and feelings into it's own. The vampires are NOT the direct puppets of the vampire intelligence after all, it has a high chance to impose mind control on them, but they can resist and rebell and even accept they are now evil but try to fight their creator anyway.

Also, there is that necromancer spell that turns the caster into a vampire without a vampire intelligence being involved at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Would be interesting to know what happens to Necromantic Master Vamps in Nightbane regarding if they have a dream pool or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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I would say that most Vampire can recall from their mortal existences that they did dream, but do not recall specific details, like most mortals. Likewise, if they did retain the capability to dream, they are unable to or cannot recall the actual dream(s).

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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Assuming all humans, even those with IQ 3, have dream pools, perhaps anything with an IQ of 3 or higher has one?

Sorry, IQ 2 Orcs or humans reduced to 2 via brain injury.


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
Unread postPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:39 am
  

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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
It's not quite that simple. as the existance of the Heroic Vampire and the fact that vampires retain skills and memories of their previous life, what actually seems to happen is the origional soul is kicked out and the body animated by the vampire intelligence, but the fragment incorporates those memories and feelings into it's own. The vampires are NOT the direct puppets of the vampire intelligence after all, it has a high chance to impose mind control on them, but they can resist and rebell and even accept they are now evil but try to fight their creator anyway.

Also, there is that necromancer spell that turns the caster into a vampire without a vampire intelligence being involved at all.

Never heard of that spell before. Where is that spell?


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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Thom001 wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
It's not quite that simple. as the existance of the Heroic Vampire and the fact that vampires retain skills and memories of their previous life, what actually seems to happen is the origional soul is kicked out and the body animated by the vampire intelligence, but the fragment incorporates those memories and feelings into it's own. The vampires are NOT the direct puppets of the vampire intelligence after all, it has a high chance to impose mind control on them, but they can resist and rebell and even accept they are now evil but try to fight their creator anyway.

Also, there is that necromancer spell that turns the caster into a vampire without a vampire intelligence being involved at all.

Never heard of that spell before. Where is that spell?


it's in rifts africa i think. or maybe mystic russia. originally, anyways. it is now in the book of magic as well, in the necro-magic section. level 14 spell called "return from the grave".


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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It was introduced in Mystic Russia, was not in Rifts Africa. More of a series of rituals over a year than a spell invocation.


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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I found it, that was a crazy spell


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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
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There is also the curse from the Land of the Damned in Palladium, can turn you into a secondary vampire without involving Vampire Intelligences.

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 Post subject: Re: Do Vampires Dream?
Unread postPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:47 am
  

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Warshield73 wrote:
My group had this discussion almost 20 years ago. The question was do vampires just become dead bodies unable to awaken at all during the day or are they asleep and able to wake up if required.

In the Vampire Kingdom 1ed I remember saying that vampires could fight in the day if there sanctums are invaded but with penalties. This being the case we said that they sleep, and since they sleep they dream.

My 2 cents

i agree with this, this is how our group handles it. I ran an adventure back in '16 and it was almost all done in the Dreamstream, and I set up basically a vampire utopia there, as vampires even staked can dream. (for our group anyways) and it was a really fun adventure. It went well.


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