Supernaturalness

[Kinghawke]

are Nightbane considered lesser or greater supernatural beings?

[drewkitty ~..~]

the books do not say

[Kinghawke]

are Nightbane considered lesser or greater supernatural beings?

I beleive Drew is correct on this.

Is there something else that sparked you to ask this question, in the first place? Or were you just asking in a general sense?

a great many spells work on Lesser Supernatural creatures, not greater ones. the Nightbane in sheer power Can be considered either. it's important for those spells against them.

[eliakon]

I personally think they are not supernatural critters per-se, or if they are they are below lesser (sub? nano?) This is based more or less solely on the spell Merge Fles in TtGD, where it mentions you cant merge supernatural bits with a nightbane.....but like I said its just one source in a book 3 removed from the base......just my 2 cents

[Nekira Sudacne]

I'd definatly say greater. they can, depending on choices, beat the hell out of one or more greater demons.

[Tor]

They certainly heal faster than most demons.

[eliakon]

There are tons of beings that are tougher than demons, and regenerate fast, that doesnt mean they are supernatural. It doesnt mean they ARN'T either but it, in itself isnt proof of anything. Anyone found anything else that might support one way or the other?

[drewkitty ~..~]

I'd definatly say greater. they can, depending on choices, beat the hell out of one or more greater demons.

The problem with saying one way or the other is that while some NB are uber powerful and might qualify as greater SN being, others are not much more powerful then humans that would barely qualify and lesser SN beings.

So if you had to say one way or the other, it would have to be on an individual char basis.
Which would be up to that game's GM.

[Tor]

There are tons of beings that are tougher than demons, and regenerate fast, that doesnt mean they are supernatural. It doesnt mean they ARN'T either but it, in itself isnt proof of anything. Anyone found anything else that might support one way or the other?

I think it's been stated that Nightbane are supernatural in their morphus form (I don't think in Facade, in spite of the silly Dark Conversions decision to make them MDC, in spite of CJ's previous statement to the contrary) just, like many supernatural creatures, we don't know about the lesser/greater classifications.

The Summoner OCC in PF lists several species as lesser/greater beings, which can give some guidelines. Gargoyle Lords/Mages for example are greater, other gargoyles/gurgoyles/gargoylites are lesser. Fairies are lesser, vampires are greater, etc.

I don't really understand the logic behind it.