Learning magic class abilties.

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Learning magic class abilties.

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Something I thought of from a debate.
Most OCC state weather or not they can learn magic any time as a class ability. So would that make weather or not they could a class ability?
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Blue_Lion wrote:Something I thought of from a debate.
Most OCC state weather or not they can learn magic any time as a class ability. So would that make weather or not they could a class ability?

Are you thinking of things like the Ley Line Walker's Observation Ball?
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Being able to learn magic at will, instead of at level, is definitely a class ability.
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Blue_Lion wrote:Something I thought of from a debate.
Most OCC state weather or not they can learn magic any time as a class ability. So would that make weather or not they could a class ability?


Okay...backing up to the begining and paraphrasing.....(asking if this is what was meant...)

'Most OCC state whether or not they can learn new magic Spells from instruction at any time as a class ability. So would that make whether or not they could, a class ability?'

I would answer this question in the following...

It all depends on if the magic user practices the Magic Sciences or the Magical Arts.

If the magic user is a practitioner of the Magical Sciences, then because of the way they came to knowing how to use magic give them the ability to learn new spells from instruction from another practitioner of the Magical Sciences.

Practitioners of the Mystic Arts are dependent on their mystical sponsor for new spells or need to meditate to receive the ability to cast a new spell from the universe. (Or the from the char's soul's personal growth if a CoM.)

If the class does not not have anything in it saying that they can learn new spells from other mages, then if you get technical, that class performs the Mystic Arts. That being can't learn new spells from mages.
(This usage of the word 'mages', is has the specific meaning: practitioners of the magical sciences.)

Canon Citation: PF: MoM book 1 page 7. [And the rest of the book to while you are there.]
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Mark Hall wrote:Being able to learn magic at will, instead of at level, is definitely a class ability.

But if the opposite is stated in class ability would the inability to not also be a class ability?
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
'Most OCC state whether or not they can learn new magic Spells from instruction at any time as a class ability. So would that make whether or not they could, a class ability?'


If the class does not not have anything in it saying that they can learn new spells from other mages, then if you get technical, that class performs the Mystic Arts. That being can't learn new spells from mages.

Canon Citation: PF: MoM book 1 page 7. [And the rest of the book to while you are there.]

I am sorry but ignoring that you rant did not actually answer the asked question, if it is class ability, do you have quote that supports that stance?
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Re: Learning magic class abilties.

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Blue_Lion wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:Being able to learn magic at will, instead of at level, is definitely a class ability.

But if the opposite is stated in class ability would the inability to not also be a class ability?


I would class it a class limitation, not ability.
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Blue_Lion wrote:I am sorry but ignoring that you rant did not actually answer the asked question, if it is class ability, do you have quote that supports that stance?


[quote"drewkitty ~..~"]If the magic user is a practitioner of the Magical Sciences, then because of the way they came to knowing how to use magic give them the ability to learn new spells from instruction from another practitioner of the Magical Sciences.[/quote]
Yes, I did. It might of not of been in the form you were expecting.

To say my answer in a different way: For the classes that are of the magical sciences, being able to learn new magic spells from being taught by another practitioner of the magical sciences is a class ability.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Canon Citation: PF: MoM book 1 page 7. [And the rest of the book to while you are there.]

I cited source material my answer is based on already. Though the page specific citation was for what classes are the magical sciences and what classes are the mystic arts. The rest of the book is the citation for what my answer was based on.

Even after saying that....your question can only be answered by an opinion based on All the magic texts as a whole. Which is why I cited the one book that has the most magic text in one place.

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Blue_Lion wrote:Something I thought of from a debate.
Most OCC state weather or not they can learn magic any time as a class ability. So would that make weather or not they could a class ability?


Yeah, I don't see why not.
As a default, you cannot learn magic without adopting particular character classes, or perhaps belonging to certain races
therefore it seems that learning magic is specifically a class ability and/or a racial ability.
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