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Unread postPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:05 pm
  

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Does/can a pit cloak make an actual hole or is it a dimensional pocket/portable pit type of thing?

Yeah, because if it is the first, this campaign maybe buggered.


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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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It is physically impossible to pick up the cloak and turn it back to carry unless everything that has fallen inside is first removed. That leads me to beleive it is an actual hole and not a dimensional pocket, because there is no "other" space that things go into, the hole is real and will remain until completely empty.

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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Yes, but now, suppose it was put on a roof or in this case a ship. Would there be a pit or a hole? Following me now?


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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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I had always read it as a pocket dimension for the simple reason that everything had to be out before you could move the cloak, so no leaving anything buried, and that when the cloak is moved there is no hole remaining.

Now for what you are talking about with starships and such you want mystic portal.

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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ShadowHawk wrote:
Yes, but now, suppose it was put on a roof or in this case a ship. Would there be a pit or a hole? Following me know?


Well it would have been good to know that was your concern on the first post ;)

But the text itself gives the answer. It turns into a pit when thrown on the ground defined as dirt, sand, clay, rock and will not open a pit over air, roof, wood, a wall, ect. So the text itself says you cannot possibly use it on a ship and further shows it IS a real pit, but specifically can not be used on a ship. it can ONLY be used on the ground or a stone/clay floor of a building and no other surface whatever. It also prevents you from using it to go down a level in a multi-floor structure as that would be opening over air.

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:
Yes, but now, suppose it was put on a roof or in this case a ship. Would there be a pit or a hole? Following me know?


Well it would have been good to know that was your concern on the first post ;)

But the text itself gives the answer. It turns into a pit when thrown on the ground defined as dirt, sand, clay, rock and will not open a pit over air, roof, wood, a wall, ect. So the text itself says you cannot possibly use it on a ship and further shows it IS a real pit, but specifically can not be used on a ship. it can ONLY be used on the ground or a stone/clay floor of a building and no other surface whatever. It also prevents you from using it to go down a level in a multi-floor structure as that would be opening over air.

I have been trying to find this in the books for a few minutes now. Does the cloak create a pit that is then there for good or does the pit disappear when the cloak is moved?

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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I'd go with dimensional pocket.
It seems to be a Palladium version of a Portable Hole.

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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Warshield73 wrote:
I had always read it as a pocket dimension for the simple reason that everything had to be out before you could move the cloak, so no leaving anything buried, and that when the cloak is moved there is no hole remaining.

Now for what you are talking about with starships and such you want mystic portal.


No, no, no...not a starship. And believe me I do not want this to happen, at all. I am the GM. The players have just looted a pirates ship, and the cutter that they have it overloaded, and they needed a place to put the stuff. So, not naming names...put one in the cargo hold to put some of it in to balance the weight and so they can load more onto the ship.


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She also brought onboard sand before she did this.


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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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Warshield73 wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:
Yes, but now, suppose it was put on a roof or in this case a ship. Would there be a pit or a hole? Following me know?


Well it would have been good to know that was your concern on the first post ;)

But the text itself gives the answer. It turns into a pit when thrown on the ground defined as dirt, sand, clay, rock and will not open a pit over air, roof, wood, a wall, ect. So the text itself says you cannot possibly use it on a ship and further shows it IS a real pit, but specifically can not be used on a ship. it can ONLY be used on the ground or a stone/clay floor of a building and no other surface whatever. It also prevents you from using it to go down a level in a multi-floor structure as that would be opening over air.

I have been trying to find this in the books for a few minutes now. Does the cloak create a pit that is then there for good or does the pit disappear when the cloak is moved?


The cloak cannot be physically moved until the pit is empty, then the pit disappears.

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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ShadowHawk wrote:
Warshield73 wrote:
I had always read it as a pocket dimension for the simple reason that everything had to be out before you could move the cloak, so no leaving anything buried, and that when the cloak is moved there is no hole remaining.

Now for what you are talking about with starships and such you want mystic portal.


No, no, no...not a starship. And believe me I do not want this to happen, at all. I am the GM. The players have just looted a pirates ship, and the cutter that they have it overloaded, and they needed a place to put the stuff. So, not naming names...put one in the cargo hold to put some of it in to balance the weight and so they can load more onto the ship.


As I said, what she did can't actually be done because you can't use the Cloak on a Wood or Metal surface, period, there is no circumstance that would allow the players to use their cloak while at sea. It doesn't matter if it's dimensional or not because it simply won't work. you throw down the cloak and no pit forms.

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:
Warshield73 wrote:
I had always read it as a pocket dimension for the simple reason that everything had to be out before you could move the cloak, so no leaving anything buried, and that when the cloak is moved there is no hole remaining.

Now for what you are talking about with starships and such you want mystic portal.


No, no, no...not a starship. And believe me I do not want this to happen, at all. I am the GM. The players have just looted a pirates ship, and the cutter that they have it overloaded, and they needed a place to put the stuff. So, not naming names...put one in the cargo hold to put some of it in to balance the weight and so they can load more onto the ship.


As I said, what she did can't actually be done because you can't use the Cloak on a Wood or Metal surface, period, there is no circumstance that would allow the players to use their cloak while at sea. It doesn't matter if it's dimensional or not because it simply won't work. you throw down the cloak and no pit forms.


I repeat, "She also brought onboard sand before she did this."


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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:57 am
  

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ShadowHawk wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:
Warshield73 wrote:
I had always read it as a pocket dimension for the simple reason that everything had to be out before you could move the cloak, so no leaving anything buried, and that when the cloak is moved there is no hole remaining.

Now for what you are talking about with starships and such you want mystic portal.


No, no, no...not a starship. And believe me I do not want this to happen, at all. I am the GM. The players have just looted a pirates ship, and the cutter that they have it overloaded, and they needed a place to put the stuff. So, not naming names...put one in the cargo hold to put some of it in to balance the weight and so they can load more onto the ship.


As I said, what she did can't actually be done because you can't use the Cloak on a Wood or Metal surface, period, there is no circumstance that would allow the players to use their cloak while at sea. It doesn't matter if it's dimensional or not because it simply won't work. you throw down the cloak and no pit forms.


I repeat, "She also brought onboard sand before she did this."


I don't see how that would help? the text states: "It must be thrown vertically on the ground". Sand dumped atop of wood in a boat is not the "the ground"

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 Post subject: Re: Pit cloak...
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:
Yes, but now, suppose it was put on a roof or in this case a ship. Would there be a pit or a hole? Following me know?


Well it would have been good to know that was your concern on the first post ;)

But the text itself gives the answer. It turns into a pit when thrown on the ground defined as dirt, sand, clay, rock and will not open a pit over air, roof, wood, a wall, ect. So the text itself says you cannot possibly use it on a ship and further shows it IS a real pit, but specifically can not be used on a ship. it can ONLY be used on the ground or a stone/clay floor of a building and no other surface whatever. It also prevents you from using it to go down a level in a multi-floor structure as that would be opening over air.


Bizantium uses stone ships. ;)


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