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The fact that people keep asking for (and were promised) these books proves its not a one trick pony . Palladium has a bad habit of making promises they dont keep . They have a loyal fan base then few have . And should be proud of . Keeping that fan base takes commitment .


What I mean by 'one trick pony' is a book based around one idea and not much else....Say, if I tried to make a book about my fan company Paladin Steel...all very good, a lot of material, but as it comes out it's all tech-wank, lists of stuff it builds, and not much else. Unless I throw in adventure stuff, world details, and more world-building, or I've had several previous books establish the company's place in the game universe and fan interest in it(as with the Rift Triax books), I doubt many people would buy what amounts to a shopping catalogue based on one company.

BTS, IMHO, is a lot more fun to game in because GMs can use their everyday surroundings to make adventures that much more intimate and immediate ("There's a rash of mysterious beheadings on the next town over from yours, Jerry...."), but also harder to write to write for, because it can't overpower the setting. The threats have to be serious and dangerous, bit not so blatantly obvious that the player characters are muscled aside by the authorities with the firepower of the military and the media is all over the place, covering Godzilla's rampage. At that point it becomes more akin to Dead Reign...Games like Rifts, you can throw out all constraints and run wild. BTS has to be more constrained, but still interesting and intriguing.

But yeah, promised books and Palladium? Some of us still await Mechanoids: Space.... :P

There is so much you can do with BTS .

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There is so much you can do with BTS .



Yes. But it requires more thinking, planning, and discretion. Unless you've set the campaign in a warzone, you can't just say "we go and buy some tactical nukes and start blowing up stuff" with the same abandon you might have in other game settings.

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There is so much you can do with BTS .



Yes. But it requires more thinking, planning, and discretion. Unless you've set the campaign in a warzone, you can't just say "we go and buy some tactical nukes and start blowing up stuff" with the same abandon you might have in other game settings.

Well some people like games that make you think . Not everyone wants hack n slash or shoot em ups .

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[Well some people like games that make you think . Not everyone wants hack n slash or shoot em ups .


Hence my argument/agreement that BTS books and adventures take a lot more thought and preparation, and why writing up new sourcebooks isn't as simple as 'let's toss in a GAZILLION new weapons and monsters!'.

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[Well some people like games that make you think . Not everyone wants hack n slash or shoot em ups .


Hence my argument/agreement that BTS books and adventures take a lot more thought and preparation, and why writing up new sourcebooks isn't as simple as 'let's toss in a GAZILLION new weapons and monsters!'.

Yes I get that but its just that the two books were promised as being in production and coming soon when the core book was first advertised . That's been many years ago and many other source books have came out for other games instead . Many only bought the core book thinking the two others to complete the game were very soon to follow . Had they know otherwise they may not have spent the money on that first book .

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Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:20 am
  

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Well I hoping Palladium books can fouce on Beyond the Supernatural in 2016?

They did the Dead regin books,Why is BtS so Hard for them?

What do you think is ther problem in making BtS,s books?


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What do you think is ther problem in making BtS,s books?


Not enough people buy them.


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Well not having a complete game makes it kinda a self fulfilled prophecy there where people don't buy a book to a game they can't play.


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I've ran a BTS game since the original first came out. It's been the longest running game that my players and I have done. When the new BTS was released, I bought it too. What I've done for years is create paranormal creatures for the party to investigate and hunt. Even though I've done this for years and actually like doing it this way, but I've got to admit, it would save me a lot of time if I had the Tome of the Grotesque in hand.

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What do you think is ther problem in making BtS,s books?


Not enough people buy them.


Wrong, last time I checked, first edition is selling well in e-book. Mind you, this was like a year ago; so. The problem is 2nd edition. The changes Kevin made to 2nd Ed were not well received with my players. And I still do not like playing or GMing straight 2nd ed. I mean, yeah characters needed a BIT of spicing up and a few tweaks made here and there. The PPE of the mage/arcanist increased and some new spells and psychic abilities, added. But I was a bit disappointed with the absurdity of the rules for ISP. Still my groups play a combination of first and second editions. With the understanding that absolutely none of the characters get the bonus ISP from the monsters. House ruled and completely rejected that notion in all of the groups that I have played in and GMed. And also, I am not allowed to play an autistic psychic again...LOL. LONG AND FUNNY STORY! But one for another day, as it's going on 3:00am.

But I do want to say that I am not trying to be negative or condescending. If I come off that way, I am sorry. But please don't think that I am. I like Palladium games and am a major fan of BtS. And most likely always will be. My dislikes are quite easily fixable with a quick reset to the original system and a few tweaks here and there all is well.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:11 pm
  

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I'm tired of waiting for them. If it's true that they BtS is dead then my interest in palladium has pretty much died as well.


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Unread postPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:53 pm
  

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Ok, reality is, they BTS 2nd edition came out in 2005, that wa slike like 10 years ago. They have no intention of ever EVER putting out those other bboks. Buying a BTS 2nd edition is a waste of time and money. They spent all their time and effort on Dead Reign because "zombie apocalypse" is the big "In" thing that is popular. If you like BTS, just find yourself a copy of 1st edition, at least that was a complete game in and of itself (psychic abilities, magic, and monsters all in oone book, plus a few campaign ideas in the back), plus their there are alot of book you can use with it including BOXED NIGHTMARES the sourcebook for BTS 1st edition, monsters & animals (1st edition more so than 2nd in my opinion), and Mystic China are alsovery compatible.

Well that was my 2 cents... Game On!

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Unread postPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:04 pm
  

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Note: The recent update is saying three sourcebooks are PLANNED for 2016. I know that means little, but who knows?


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Dude, don't hold your breath. Pal promises alot and delivers a little.

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Two words...BTS KICKSTARTER!!


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Hey last weekly update said BTS stuff is coming out this year....yay!!!

Can't wait...

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Yaay, the same vague mention of upcoming BTS stuff in the weekly update!

Looking forward to it too!


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Two words...BTS KICKSTARTER!!


Yeah, that's gonna do well... :roll:

Dunno Lemuria and both Northern Gun books were crowd sourced if I recall.
And unlike the RTT issue there are no third parties involved. Collect the money needed to pay people to write the book.
I would be willing to kick in the twenty bucks for a Kickstarted book. Yeah I know its a gamble....but its a gamble I would be willing to take since the pay off (getting a BTS book) is rather large.

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I thought they'd been released and I just hadn't seen them on the shelves yet.
Geez...
Anyway, I guess with a little tweeking you can just use the stats from Palladium Fantasy for everything in BTS...

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I thought they'd been released and I just hadn't seen them on the shelves yet.
Geez...
Anyway, I guess with a little tweeking you can just use the stats from Palladium Fantasy for everything in BTS...


True...kind of. I don't know too much about Palladium Fantasy magic but BTS magic, if it works like the psychic rules, can't be cast openly. It'll likely have an escalating power source depending on the level of supernatural threat nearby. That's an assumption though. Another possibility is that while psychics are powered that way maybe arcanists (BTS casters) are powered differently, ie. Cults, rituals etc. That's always been the big appeal of BTS magic to me. Fantasy casters are kind of like superheroes with powers whereas BTS is much more subtle. But we don't know for sure what Kevin intends as the rules aren't out yet...


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I would like to see this befor the end of the year my self but I am not holding my breath..... it is sad we dont already have this in our hands :(

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Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:46 pm
  

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There are no possible titles that I've seen listed or hinted at that I want more than the completion of the long promised BTS 2E books.

I still happily have my BTS 1E and Boxed Nightmares books and they are prized jewels among two and a half, long, bookcase shelves of Palladium Books RPGs.

Can't wait to see what they do with magic and finally get some more monsters to take on in 2E.


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Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:59 pm
  

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There are no possible titles that I've seen listed or hinted at that I want more than the completion of the long promised BTS 2E books.

I still happily have my BTS 1E and Boxed Nightmares books and they are prized jewels among two and a half, long, bookcase shelves of Palladium Books RPGs.

Can't wait to see what they do with magic and finally get some more monsters to take on in 2E.

I"m the same. I have shelves of Palladium stuff but the only things I want (need) are the magic and monsters books for BTS 2e.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:13 pm
  

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yeah always promised but still have not delivered. I am about to give up on seeing these books in the near future. the promise has been broken.


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I'd love to see some BtS supplements. But for my part, I'm currently setting up a HU Campaign and I'm happy combining and mixing different games together. Luckily I have 2 psychics and a Ghost as PCs so they fit well in the BtS world. But I'm also using stuff from Pal Fantasy, Gumshoe, TMNT, Rifts, and Dark Champions.

Once I have source material, I'm not finding it too difficult to create NPC Stats in the HU Mold.

For example there's a 5th level Fire Manipulating Mutant in one of the stories I'm adapting. I love the story but this guy's stats are useless to me. But I know what he needs to do in the narrative and I know how to make Fire Guy Powers in HU so problem solved.


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I would like to see these source books get done, managed to pick up some Palladium books and currently working on prep work for a BTS campaign via Roll20.

A lot of holes I need to patch in though.


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Note: The recent update is saying three sourcebooks are PLANNED for 2016. I know that means little, but who knows?




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I love it,that info on Arcanum and Tome Grotesque is coming in Rifter.


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It would be better if they just put out the books like they were supposed to ... 12 YEARS AGO. :P

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Unread postPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:37 pm
  

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You Known I am staring to Hate Dead Reign,they are Close too book 8 and Beyond the Supernatural is only One!
What is Up with That?
You can doo so much more with BtS.

I will Stay strong and Keep Hope alive.


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Unread postPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:13 pm
  

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I agree. BtS is a horror based RPG that has such a wide range of possibilities and can be combined with several other books to further expand on that without affecting the basis of the game. like Boxed Nightmares, Nightbane, and Mystic China. Even sourcebooks like Systems Failure, Monsters & Animals, Hades, & Dyval can be used to add to it if you want to go that route.

Dead Reign, on the other hand, is a fad, that's it. Zombie survival, once Walking Dead gets canceled, will lose its momentum and phase out. Dead Reign should have been a sourcebook for BtS at best and left at that. I feel as though Palladium should have put more of an effort into BtS or least guide things into that direction, especially since they have had the two remaining CORE books "coming soon" for over 12 years now. I also have hope that one day they will get their act together and deliver what was promised. In the meantime, I refer to BtS 1st edition and add to it as I see fit. There are also so many game books out there that are based in the supernatural its insane provided you know where to look.

Not for nothing, and no offense to Palladium, but horror is more than zombies and vampires. If you really enjoy good horror based RPGs like me, you might want to check out our Facebook group. It's more than just BtS, but you might like it. Here is the link. In the meantime, Gaby don't lose hope and keep the faith.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/BlackRabbitGames/?ref=group_cover

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I will.

I say Tome Grotesque part 1 will be made first,It will be a Mix of Updated Monsters from 1st ed and All New Ones.
What Monsters from 1st ed do you hope they will keep?

I Hope they make the Monsters from Rifter canon,ther very good.


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I would like to see them keep the usual suspects like werewolves, vampires, zombies, ghosts, & mummies, but I want to see them keep the mindolar, narcarant, dybbuk, and boschala. As for new additions maybe the imp, succubus, and golem.

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Well Arcanum will have all the Magic info from 1st ed,puls some New Info,the Updated Arcanist,Other Magic Occ.
I hope they will have some Magic items.


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I would like to see a druid class (a shout out to Kon Thaak from back in the day), a priest class (modern priest; I've done it so I know it's possible), a witch class (both white/light and dark/evil witch), and maybe a modern mystic and/or a magician class.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:54 am
  

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We must always keep hoping.

If they Stop Dead regin they can focus on BtS?


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Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:17 am
  

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How will they set up the Spells and not make the copy of Palladium fantasy?

What Spells do you want to see in BtS?


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How will they set up the Spells and not make the copy of Palladium fantasy?

What Spells do you want to see in BtS?


Great question. A while ago I started a short document that I called "BTS Wishlist" containing the things I liked from 1rst edition and things that I would like to see changed, as well as themes and other things etc. It's a question deserving of its own topic - perhaps called "Arcanum and Tome Grotesque Wishlist". I'd start it myself but really, my list isn't that long, I need to keep it open and add things as they occur to me.

But I will say this - 1rst edition was pretty great except when it came to Arcanists. With that one class you could pretty much do anything a psychic could do if you had the spells - telekinesis, pyrokinesis, astral travel, healing, clairvoyance, various types of detecting etc. Why have a psychic at all? Arcanists could even borrow PPE from others to fuel themselves (a great idea actually, in ritual settings or with trained channellers as assistants) but it was yet another leg up on psychics.

if Arcanum ever does come out I would like to see a variety of magic types so that one class can't do "everything" (am I exaggerating? That's the way I remember it). Or perhaps the type of caster you are doesn't matter but you have to select a certain "path" to go down and that limits your choices from thereon and maybe even restricts other things. Just some thoughts.


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