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Hello to everyone out there in the Megaverse!
I am new to posting here on the forums (though I've been lurking here off and on since 2006ish) and thought that introducing myself would be the polite thing to do. User name is captain_nibbz, I'm in my late 20's and have been playing RPGs since I was about 12 years old. A good friend of mine (who used to post back in the day under the name zeta_ridley) introduced me to the hobby using a homebrew mashup of several different games (mainly Palladium Fantasy and 2e/3e D&D) that he inherited from a relative. Since these early days I have had an inherent love and fascination with the settings and artwork of Palladium books. Started GMing shortly after that and have been stuck behind the screen ever since.
Until the last few years, I've been of the mentality that old = bad. And Palladium's system is nothing if not old school, which always kept me from truly running a game using the system. However, when the OSR was in full swing I thought I would try it out and fell in love with Basic D&D. Since then I've been branching out and experimenting with other systems and looking at things from a different perspective.
When Wizards of the Coast released the newest edition of "worlds greatest roleplaying game" I played that and found out that the modern mentality of gaming just isn't that great. Which brought me around full swing back to looking at the games that so inspired me back in the day and got me into the hobby. This inevitably brought me back to Palladium and its plethora of wonderful settings and games.
So here I am, posting to the forums for the first time, looking for some advice.
The big question for me is: where do I start? I've been mulling around reading some of the books, and I just can't decide what I should do first! Currently I am leaning towards either Beyond the Supernatural (1e), Systems Failure, or Dead Reign. Do you fine folks have any suggestions on what the best introductory system for Palladium would be?
Thanks in advance!
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I am new to posting here on the forums (though I've been lurking here off and on since 2006ish) and thought that introducing myself would be the polite thing to do. User name is captain_nibbz, I'm in my late 20's and have been playing RPGs since I was about 12 years old. A good friend of mine (who used to post back in the day under the name zeta_ridley) introduced me to the hobby using a homebrew mashup of several different games (mainly Palladium Fantasy and 2e/3e D&D) that he inherited from a relative. Since these early days I have had an inherent love and fascination with the settings and artwork of Palladium books. Started GMing shortly after that and have been stuck behind the screen ever since.
Until the last few years, I've been of the mentality that old = bad. And Palladium's system is nothing if not old school, which always kept me from truly running a game using the system. However, when the OSR was in full swing I thought I would try it out and fell in love with Basic D&D. Since then I've been branching out and experimenting with other systems and looking at things from a different perspective.
When Wizards of the Coast released the newest edition of "worlds greatest roleplaying game" I played that and found out that the modern mentality of gaming just isn't that great. Which brought me around full swing back to looking at the games that so inspired me back in the day and got me into the hobby. This inevitably brought me back to Palladium and its plethora of wonderful settings and games.
So here I am, posting to the forums for the first time, looking for some advice.
The big question for me is: where do I start? I've been mulling around reading some of the books, and I just can't decide what I should do first! Currently I am leaning towards either Beyond the Supernatural (1e), Systems Failure, or Dead Reign. Do you fine folks have any suggestions on what the best introductory system for Palladium would be?
Thanks in advance!
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Hello Captain. I recommend Fantasy proper. Its a concept most people are already familiar with, so you can tell comfortable stories in it if you're already familiar with D&D. Things can be regional there, meaning that if you set your game in the Eastern Territory, you've only got so many things that can happen. I suggest learn and enjoy basic hand to hand combat before anything else. then adjust for magic and psionics until you get a feel for it all.
Only after that would I suggest going into my favorite setting, Heroes.
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Well, since you're familiar with the Fantasy genre (according to your post) I would say start with Palladium Fantasy. Similar concepts between both should help your transition.
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Seems like solid advice. I think you're both right about using the fantasy game easing the transition into the system itself. I think it will help both myself and my players.
Do you have any suggestions on a region that would work best? Are there any well known quirks or anything that I should know going into it?
Do you have any suggestions on a region that would work best? Are there any well known quirks or anything that I should know going into it?
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Seems like solid advice. I think you're both right about using the fantasy game easing the transition into the system itself. I think it will help both myself and my players.
Do you have any suggestions on a region that would work best? Are there any well known quirks or anything that I should know going into it?
Do you have any suggestions on a region that would work best? Are there any well known quirks or anything that I should know going into it?
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I agree with the above posts, the only reason I recommend Rifts is because it is the most popular setting and it has everything Palladium. Magic, Psionics, special powers and MDC so once you've learned it all the other games are easy.
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1st Edition BtS is as good of a place to start as any.
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I'd say the Eastern Territory, but honestly about anywhere works. The Western Empire is a bit more classic arabia, but the east is all city states and wilderness. So that's where I'd go. Less politics to deal with
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Captain_Nibbz wrote:A good friend of mine (who used to post back in the day under the name zeta_ridley) introduced me to the hobby using a homebrew mashup of several different games (mainly Palladium Fantasy and 2e/3e D&D) that he inherited from a relative.
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The big question for me is: where do I start? I've been mulling around reading some of the books, and I just can't decide what I should do first! Currently I am leaning towards either Beyond the Supernatural (1e), Systems Failure, or Dead Reign. Do you fine folks have any suggestions on what the best introductory system for Palladium would be?
Thanks in advance!
Captain_Nibbz
Greetings and Salutations. Well, that will depend a bit on you. I'll provide two answers, with different reasoning/advice.
1: I'm going to agree with Killer Cyborg that Beyond the Supernatural, first edition, is a good start. This is a modern setting, which makes it relatively easy to immerse yourself (and others). The system is also fairly easy, focusing primarily on psionics. This, to me, would make it a good starter setting. However, because it's basically a single book (there is a single expansion for 1st Edition; Boxed Nightmares, if you can find it), you'll have to do a lot of the work yourself.
2: As others have said, Palladium Fantasy. Sounds like you already have some experience, and with D&D and Pathfinder so popular a fantasy setting isn't difficult for people to wrap their heads around. There's quite a few setting books, which helps a G.M. build the world, but not so many that it's overwhelming. Basically, enough books to help build the world, but few enough they're realistic to obtain all (or most) of them. You can start off with just the main book (all that's really needed), and allow you to obtain more books slowly (but with a realistic end in sight). The setting goes between characters with no special powers, magic, and psionics. Finding a balance between those can be tricky for some new Game Masters.
Settings I would not suggest starting with ...
A: Rifts. A popular setting, but I recommend getting a good feel for Palladium before jumping into that one. The setting has many, many books, so many that you'll either need a lot of time or a lot of money to try and obtain them all. The power levels vary greatly, and M.D.C. vs. S.D.C. can be tricky just starting off. Keep in mind, some of these features are considered selling points for the setting. But I still don't recommend it to start. Basically similar to my notes about Palladium Fantasy, only x10 (or x100).
B: Dead Reign. Another modern (post-apocalyptic) setting, but with zombies! A zombie game might sound like fun and I've never personally played it, but I've read some mixed reviews and potential issues with the rules (such as head shots). This is not for everyone, and I'd be saddened if you had a bad experience with it and it pushed you away from Palladium as a result. I'd recommend getting more familiar with the rules of a different setting first, then trying this one and see what you think.
For quirks in the game: This is kind of a general note, but Palladium doesn't really put balance into the game. So, for example, in Palladium Fantasy if you put a Mercenary Warrior against a Mind Mage in a fight, and you'll see one side with a clear advantage. This, to many, is considered a feature, not a bug. Life isn't fair after all. But this can be tricky for some new to the system, especially if the game focuses mostly on combat.
For a starting location in Palladium Fantasy, I agree with zerombr, Eastern Territory is a good starting location (for basically the same reason he mentioned). The Eastern Territory is a good starting spot because it also allows for conflict with the Wolfen Empire, travel to the Old Kingdom (domain of monsters), Timiro (a bigger, more organized kingdom), or potential coastal adventures all with the same language. For Palladium Fantasy books in general, this is my usual list ...
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http://palladium-store.com/1001/product ... ckage.html
In addition, Palladium Fantasy also has an electronic Game Master Kit (Rifts has one as well), as well as Paper Minis. Note: I'm aiming to get a couple of additional G.M. tools for PF as well, but we'll see how that goes.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.php ... from=&pto=
Anyways, that's just a quick rundown from my point of view. I hope that helps. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys to all.
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1st Ed Robotech.
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The Beast wrote:1st Ed Robotech.
i disagree, throwing a mech into the mix means you have 'two layers' of character right off the bat, then there comes down to all the extra piloting stuff, weapons options, range, and chaff. All that and the OP hasn't even gotten into basic strike/parry/dodge items.
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Hey, thanks everyone for the feedback. This has helped me out a lot. All of the feedback you fine folks have given has been great and helped me to make my decision.
For a bit more context, I run two games week: one with my whole group every Friday night, and another game that I run for just myself and my wife a couple nights a week when we have free time. So what I've decided is that I'm going to use the Palladium Fantasy for the one on one game, as it will give me the most practice with the system itself and help me to get the the quirks down and practice more, and then use Beyond the Supernatural for the game with the whole group of Fridays.
We actually had our first group game yesterday morning where we rolled up characters and set up the campaign. If anyone is interested in hearing how it went, I'll post a session write up over on the BtS boards. I'm also planning on sitting down with my wife tonight to roll up characters for a Palladium Fantasy game, so we'll see how all that goes as well.
Again, thank you to everyone for the helpful suggestions (especially the breakdowns of the various fantasy books left by Prysus). I'm looking forward to being a part of this community.
For a bit more context, I run two games week: one with my whole group every Friday night, and another game that I run for just myself and my wife a couple nights a week when we have free time. So what I've decided is that I'm going to use the Palladium Fantasy for the one on one game, as it will give me the most practice with the system itself and help me to get the the quirks down and practice more, and then use Beyond the Supernatural for the game with the whole group of Fridays.
We actually had our first group game yesterday morning where we rolled up characters and set up the campaign. If anyone is interested in hearing how it went, I'll post a session write up over on the BtS boards. I'm also planning on sitting down with my wife tonight to roll up characters for a Palladium Fantasy game, so we'll see how all that goes as well.
Again, thank you to everyone for the helpful suggestions (especially the breakdowns of the various fantasy books left by Prysus). I'm looking forward to being a part of this community.
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zerombr wrote:The Beast wrote:1st Ed Robotech.
i disagree, throwing a mech into the mix means you have 'two layers' of character right off the bat, then there comes down to all the extra piloting stuff, weapons options, range, and chaff. All that and the OP hasn't even gotten into basic strike/parry/dodge items.
I am going to disagree with your disagreement!
1st Ed doesn't introduce a whole lot of Psionics and/or Magic. Basically it's a Modern setting with one fantastical element. Once you get the hang of it, it translates easier to other genre's (Heroes Unlimited, Rifts, TMNT/ATB).
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Tiree wrote:zerombr wrote:The Beast wrote:1st Ed Robotech.
i disagree, throwing a mech into the mix means you have 'two layers' of character right off the bat, then there comes down to all the extra piloting stuff, weapons options, range, and chaff. All that and the OP hasn't even gotten into basic strike/parry/dodge items.
I am going to disagree with your disagreement!
1st Ed doesn't introduce a whole lot of Psionics and/or Magic. Basically it's a Modern setting with one fantastical element. Once you get the hang of it, it translates easier to other genre's (Heroes Unlimited, Rifts, TMNT/ATB).
That's pretty much what I was about to say.
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hah! Well then, lets see where it goes.
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The Beast wrote:Tiree wrote:zerombr wrote:The Beast wrote:1st Ed Robotech.
i disagree, throwing a mech into the mix means you have 'two layers' of character right off the bat, then there comes down to all the extra piloting stuff, weapons options, range, and chaff. All that and the OP hasn't even gotten into basic strike/parry/dodge items.
I am going to disagree with your disagreement!
1st Ed doesn't introduce a whole lot of Psionics and/or Magic. Basically it's a Modern setting with one fantastical element. Once you get the hang of it, it translates easier to other genre's (Heroes Unlimited, Rifts, TMNT/ATB).
That's pretty much what I was about to say.
Also, "two layers of characters" should help players start with the right ideas if/when they move to Rifts.
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Welcome!!! It depends on what you mean. If you mean learn core, how to play the system then I would suggest the more basic games like Palladium Fantasy or maybe Beyond the Supernatural. If your talking about learning about the worlds then I would suggest Rifts used to wander the whole Megaverse
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