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Sgt Anjay · Re: plotting out the Global War Point of divergence March 4, 1985

Point of divergence March 4, 1985

Sgt Anjay

If you're going to explain it, the first step is to accept that Robotech rank structures and assignments don't work how the real world does it currently. Luckily, Robotech gives plenty of story-based reasons why they wouldn't do things the way our world works. And yes, as stated there are examples o...

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I think there's a valid case to be made for a distinction between susceptible and vulnerable. It makes sense near any ship could be susceptible to high enough numbers of enemy mecha, hence why everyone puts high numbers of enemy mecha into action. That's self-evident, they wouldn't be there if they ...

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They're really not going to fix *any* errata? WTH...

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Well far be it for me to deny anyone their personal vision of Robotech. We all have our inclinations. I agree that over-reliance on things like OSM without looking at how it impacts the overall integrity of the big picture causes more problems than it helps. And I agree that technological progressio...

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The alpha was in what Sentinels animation that was produced. It was in a simulator where Jack Baker failed to rescue Rick Hunter digital avatar. The Sentinels Animation isn't in question at all. the 85 episodes are the canon for this discussion... as I was called out for my opinion on the mecha pro...

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The alpha was in what Sentinels animation that was produced. It was in a simulator where Jack Baker failed to rescue Rick Hunter digital avatar. What about the Alpha/Beta prototypes that Max and Karen were testing in The Sentinels movie? Testing a Beta in the 2020's.... the Beta which is unknown to...

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Yes, quite. The choices are "the Alpha predates the Ajax as per the people who created the episodes", or "the Alpha doesn't predate the Ajax per some fans on the internet". Technically? They're BOTH retcons, because they're both retroactively applied events we don't see in the e...

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The alpha was in what Sentinels animation that was produced. It was in a simulator where Jack Baker failed to rescue Rick Hunter digital avatar. The Sentinels Animation isn't in question at all. the 85 episodes are the canon for this discussion... as I was called out for my opinion on the mecha pro...

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We know that the Alpha was present on earth before the Invid arrived from the animation in Denver. But we also know the Forces returning from deep space in the Master's era were armed with Ajax fighters as well. No we don't, and in fact that assumption creates plot holes with the dialog. I always f...

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1) The Alpha predating the Ajax is the history of the Alpha per the creators of Robotech themselves. Any version of the Alpha's history which puts its introduction after the introduction of the Ajax is in contradiction of them, and if given a choice between the creators of the 85 episodes themselve...

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Split off from another thread to focus on this timeline issue here. it's simple to me from the 85 episodes alone: VF1<Ajax<Alpha... otherwise they wouldn't have abandoned the previous designs The Alpha predates the Ajax, and the two weren't used in the same service, so there's no direct measure of c...

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Colonel Wolfe wrote:it's simple to me from the 85 episodes alone: VF1<Ajax<Alpha... otherwise they wouldn't have abandoned the previous designs.

The Alpha predates the Ajax, and the two weren't used in the same service, so there's no direct measure of comparison to say Ajax<Alpha

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This isn't a military simulation game. Thank goodness too, the last thing I want is my GM to run the super-exciting "maintenance day" or "yard work" adventures for lvl 1-4 characters. "Your E-6 is on slide 1,254 of the powerpoint presentation. Roll Physical Endurance to sta...

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Well, this edition of the RPG is supposed to be following the current version of Robotech, which doesn't strictly follow the tv series. This Marine book's timeline is pretty out in left field even for that, though. Still, if there's one thing Robotech fans can do, it's cobbling together from the var...

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Ok, but what I am saying is that the Southern Cross as ever not being the UEDF is not a device supported by the tv series. At most they never need be more than a cut off combatant command; heck, most of the instances where the words "United Earth Defense Force" are uttered in the show are ...

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Inter-organizational between who? What merger?

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Ugh, I've never liked the conceit of UEDF and ASC as seperate, since Southern Crossers are referred to as United Earth Defense Forces in the tv series.

Me, I'd no problem with local or UEG member state forces being able to be commandeered under orders of the *Global* Military Police.

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In the episode "Robotech Masters" we see Earth-designed ships of the same type used in the 2nd Robotech War light years away. Combined with Carpenter's statements, its clear that Earth ships were operational by 2015 if you're using the TV series as part of the continuity.

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No they didn't. They went in with preconceived notions and an agenda and created plot holes in their version of Robotech thereby. I suppose that's technically true... they went in with the uRRG's preconceived notions, and apparently found nothing to counter said preconceived notions in the years th...

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You can't watch the TV series with any sort of analytical eye and draw the conclusion of inferior equipment used by the UEDF in the Second Robotech War; in addition, it's an assumption that opens up plot-holes throughout Robotech as was pointed out by the very comments that started this entire line...

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You can't watch the TV series with any sort of analytical eye and draw the conclusion of inferior equipment used by the UEDF in the Second Robotech War; in addition, it's an assumption that opens up plot-holes throughout Robotech as was pointed out by the very comments that started this entire line ...

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No scenario that starts with "The ASC has crappy stuff" makes very much sense or follows the actual TV series. As for "why is this mecha used and then replaced?" questions for any of the designs...there's just really not much justification going on, which is part of why this book...

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To get back to the actual book, and to the approbation of no one, my general thoughts on the book section by section. Making the Marine Corps Breetai's personal fiefdom is interesting. I like it, but it also brings up the question of why he would feel compelled to create an organization so clearly b...

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This isn't a military simulation game. Thank goodness too, the last thing I want is my GM to run the super-exciting "maintenance day" or "yard work" adventures for lvl 1-4 characters. "Your E-6 is on slide 1,254 of the powerpoint presentation. Roll Physical Endurance to stay...

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Thanks for the detailed write ups, that was really interesting

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Masters Saga. So many things to be: from "Platoon" type intra-unit drama in the jungles of some remote locale, to old-style special forces going "Metal Gear" or "Ghost Recon" on anti-UEG terrorists, to hotshot "Top Gun" style fighter pilots, to the old standby...

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So really, let's just let the ideas flow in a spirit of fan-joy, and let the "no, because no" spam be the irrelevance it really is. If we're considering ideas for new sourcebooks, there's little point in proposing things we know will never get approved for publication by Harmony Gold. Cou...

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Guys, Grumpy Cat's gonna grumpy . But we already know the RPG has expanded and extended and extrapolated additional data, even under Harmony Gold's more limited current regime; much as we can say there's not as much data as we might wish, there's definitely way more data in the 2nd Ed books than HG ...

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Not only is the "Anti-unificationists destroy Macross Island" explanation pointing to there being significant conflict in the post-SDF-1 but pre-Zentraedi world, [...] No, it only proves that the Anti-Unification League is a recent enough memory for the United Earth Government to use as a...

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Not only is the "Anti-unificationists destroy Macross Island" explanation pointing to there being significant conflict in the post-SDF-1 but pre-Zentraedi world, but Roy and Claudia are clearly UEDF in the flashback episode "A Rainy Night", and yet...well, we see Roy have a battl...

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Name: West Indies Federation Location: Various islands in the eastern Caribbean Major Communities: Port-of-Spain, Bridgetown, Castries UEG member?: Nominal Ally Government: Loose confederation Military: Minuscule, mostly consisting of what amounts to a relatively well-armed coast guard. Description...

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Most excellent!

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The only PW game I ever ran was inspired by the movie "The Ice Pirates". A blast, even when it went completely off the rails.

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The way the unit is scattered about the vehicle isn't especially egregious, but hearing 7th Platoon...let alone 23? Is that right? If you consider the other organizational details, it actually does work out numerically... but, like the giant fighting robots themselves, it's not the sort of thing yo...

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Eh? I'm genuinely sorry if I've given you a mistaken impression You haven't given me an impression, I am in fact intimately familiar with U.S. Army vehicle markings, and the system from the OSM doesn't jibe with me any more than Tim Wing. It is odd-to-downright bizarre having U.S. Army vehicles wit...

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Or we just ignore a marking system cobbled together by the OSM's animators and targeted to make sense to the Japanese and use one that actually makes sense and is realistic to the U.S. Army when dealing with a vehicle marked "U.S. Army". Don't see the problem, and I'm the one who asked wha...

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Ah, so it is basically a unit insignia.

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Carpenter may be rounding up too... if his ship was part of the initial navigational survey unit, the longest he could've been out in space was 14 years. The Robotech Masters encounter a ship of human design in interstellar space by 2013. Carpenter's episode happens more than 15 years after that. B...

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Simple enough, this thing shows up on destroids, there anything concrete on what it signifies?
destroid symbol
destroid symbol with some text

Also, there's this symbol on the destroyed destroid (heh) that shows up in episode 31.

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15 years does seem to be a rather unprecedented span to spend on one ship in any case. Though, of course the limit of Age of Sail exploration missions is that Earth and it's oceans, while certainly huge by the standard of sail-ship conveyance, is only so big. Space, meanwhile...is so much bigger, to...

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Ok, so Carpenter's implied situation does not mesh well with modern naval assignments. If the situation of an officer assigned to one ship for something like that length of time most compares to an "Age of Sail" one, then it makes sense to explore that relationship. Anyone have some good i...

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Well, to get more wordy about it... how might the way ships are crewed and the terms of the officers who serve aboard them, presently or in the past, be contrasted and compared with the impression we are given of an officer (i.e. Major Carpenter) serving on a ship for 15 years. Additionally, extrapo...

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Any folks with intimate knowledge of navy life, past (I think even Age of Sail expertise might apply) or present?

Specifically, I was wondering at Carpenter and his Tokugawa-class ship, and any insights to an officer serving on one ship for that long a period of time.

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Spellsports! There are, of course, a few spells together which would be great for "scuba diving" Ricochet Strike Dodgeball Deflect would be good for cricket/baseball type games Spells like Manipulate Objects, Fingers of the Wind, and Telekinesis would be good for hockey and soccer type gam...

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...is there a list of awesome ship names thread somewhere? If not, you guys need to start one.

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jaymz wrote:Guys? not for nothing but enough of the uh-huh/nuh-uh. You have gone well past point of this being entertaining

It would help if it could be acknowledged that more than one possible interpretation of the few facts with direct evidence and the larger body of circumstantial evidence is viable.

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Pro-Southern Cross? Considering how much of the evidence I brought up is from Macross Saga and New Generation, more of a "not everything in Robotech is garbage" argument. But yes, certainly little common ground, especially since lack of a basic grasp of the events of the episodes seems evi...

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I'm the one saying there isn't enough of a big-picture view of the setting to make sweeping declarations. You're the one speaking in the definitive. Its pretty clear who bears the burden of evidence. Yes, and I've given it to you No you haven't. You want it to be so, so you insist it is so, but it ...

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Actually, when the Masters are discussing the SDF-1, their statement is that in order to be able to invert the barrier system and destroy the Zentraedi armada, humans would have to know as much about the ship as they do. Which was actually incorrect, since humans started jury-rigging the pin point a...

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