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Welcome to the Squate/Cube law problem or "why there are not fifty foot tall ants in the real world" Once you decide you *want* fifty foot tall whatevers and discard that, then you need to decide how to handle strength and weight now that your into novel physics That's also how we ended u...

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It does appear that the ASC doctrine for some reason shifted away from missile reliance and shifted to more of a close range "gunfighter". Well, the UEDF moved its long range missiles to the Arbalest vehicles (and presumably others). For short range it had the vehicles like the M-70 Kodia...

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Let's cut to the chase: the Logan is not, has never been and demonstrably will never be 'lightly armored' and/or 'lightly armed'. The people who wrote those statements didn't pay attention to the series. The various RPG stats have almost all gotten this completely wrong, making the Logan less armore...

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Yes, a smarter Masters set would NOT have arrived in low orbit and sat there looking intimidating until the Terrans fired first. They might have struck decisively and unexpectedly, snuck down and sucked the SDF monument dry They DID try that. People forget that in their opening gambit, they basical...

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Also, which version from Macross? The original stats were gigantic at 3000km only to later be redone in Macross Chronicle to mere 500km.

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glitterboy2098 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:38 amexcept as i pointed out that the second number might not be a count but a squadron/detachment or role designation.

Which still doesn't rule out a Task Force with dozens of capital ships and possibly hundreds of smaller logistics ships....

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as we see its logo blazoned across the wall of Leonard's office Ugh, yet more stupidity by Harmony Gold (which is partially the fault of Macek and Streamline) as that's not the ASC's eagle but the Tactical Air Force eagle. The ASC eagle has wings displayed and lowered while the TAF eagle has wings ...

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Well, that still doesn't rule out a large task force since 78, 79, 80 and 82 would indicate Task Force 3 is at least 82 warships in size. That might still leave you with hundreds of smaller corvettes to 7 or 8 dozen capital ships.

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I think you're using the term 'Army' incorrectly, as in Field Army. What I think you mean is Combatant Command. The REF is a Combatant Command and sure as drek NOT a service branch (seriously, where would the SecEXFOR even reside?). The Army of the Southern Cross probably was once a Combatant Comman...

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Actually, Louie's 'scanning' of The Masters' city-ship in Danger Zone means there must be SOMETHING akin to the original ARPA/DARPANet. Cochrane's lab had to be connected to some sensor platforms. Plus, in Volunteers the hovercycle LCD display has something that looks an awful lot like a map display...

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What's funny is the Bioroid should ABSOLUTELY have 1E-style Zentraedi strength. We SEE Zor Prime's Commander Bioroid lift Dana's 26.4 metric ton Veritech Hovertank OFF THE GROUND as well as crush the armor while doing so.

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One thing you could do with this approach is allow for mix-match of parts from different kits for expanded missions and environments without needing new kits. I could even see, as you suggested, additional modules taken from their Veritech Inventory for further commonality (thinking primarily in re...

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So, the Army of the Southern Cross is able to field some 8 Battloids of various types based on terrain type. Of the 8 developed for the show, 5 made it to screen (with the poor Dryad being reduced to a leg). Like a lot of mecha shows from the era, not much is actually known about these vehicles othe...

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I have a working theory about Transport Squadron 85 that only recently occurred to me. The dialogue always seemed a little funky in regards to what I can only assume is the Task Force position numbers for the ships. The relevant dialogue from Mind Games shows this: MOONBASE CONTROL (aka Richard Epca...

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It would be too much trouble to deploy them in a combat situation. Okay, again, the SDF-3 is inside the exoskeleton of a Zentraedi Battlecruiser. The animation shows its literally a shell being constructed AROUND something and that the beneath the plating its hollow inside. I do think SECTIONS of t...

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When trying to make peace with a potential enemy I don't think it's a good idea to show up on their doorstep with mecha based on that used by their enemy. Except Leonard rightly questions if its a diplomatic mission to which Emerson says "its called Gunboat Diplomacy". And that's perfectl...

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as it is, i don;t think that his 'dsicovery' conflicts with the RPG's sizes..the Golem robot is 16ft to the Triton's 11.4, so the two sharing a gunpod wouldn't be all that odd.. what would be a rifle on the Triton would just be an SMG on the Golem. or in the case of the golem robot's art.. the gole...

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Is it strictly a size thing (as Palladium does, where anything taller than like ~2x the height of the intended operator is considered power armor*) or is it purely based on the control setup. If we take it from the examples presented in the series, then its purely about controls. The Bioroid litera...

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Thanks to the publication of the Southern Cross Visual Archive , its now identifiable that the GMP Garm/Golem (as shown in Half Moon) uses the Triton Battloid's gunpod (seen in the closing animation of every episode of Robotech ). The version carried by the Garm appears to be a carbine of the beam r...

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Sambot wrote:Not that the SDF-3 is carrying a fleet inside.

Welp, the outline for the Sentinels Tv series and the Toy Fair Promo Video both say there is a fleet inside the exoskeleton.

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One thing to consider, its a curious piece of art that surfaced a few years back (courtesy of Craig Sapp/RTSurfer IIRC) that shows the silhouettes of the "SDF-8", Izumo, Ikazuchi, Garfish and Horizon ships. What's funny is the "SDF-8" is listed as the SDF-3 and its roughly the sa...

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So, looking at The Sentinels again, while retaking screen caps, I noticed something. The armor plating that is being affixed shows the area underneath is HOLLOW. In fact, it looks like scaffolding of some sort is inside the structure. What everyone assumes is the SDF-3, in fact, is not. Its a hollow...

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Okay, we have these enemy mecha that show up in Jack Baker's simulator fight that are a type of miniaturized Battlepod (~4.8m in height). We know they were planned mecha for The Sentinels for Breetai and his forces to use. However, here's a thought: what if the TBP-Z1 and OBP-Z2 are, in fact, mecha ...

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Well Palladium did get the Wing Station options wrong on the VFB-9 in 2E when compared to the Infopedia/AotSC entry. The 2E RPG (manga, not sure if it was fixed in deluxe) limits them to MRMs, but the Infopedia/AotSC allows for "3 x hardpoints on each wing capable of carrying long-range missil...

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At least in terms of the UEF 2nd Robotech War starships, they obviously have some serious armor belts protecting them. That's going to account for at least some of the internal volume being eaten up. And then at least the Pulsar -class Light Cruiser and Tristar -class Large Cruiser mount Spacelord 1...

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I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm saying that its likely the animators got lazy because the whole purpose of redesigning them was for them to be operable in space. If the armored cover is ditched, the driver will be exposed to vacuum for the time it takes to switch modes. But its clearly not ejected in ...

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Courtesy of Teddy Gorospe uploading a copy of the Pioneer Southern Cross DVD (which apparently is taken from the earlier LaserDisc version) of Episode #17 Bio-Psycher (aka Episode #54 Mind Games ), its clearly seen that the Dana's Spartas only ejects the vernier thrusters and not the armored cover. ...

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What interstellar fleet? The one that is shown in the Tv series. Part of it came back in Mind Games . Another is seen before the start of the Final Offensive in Catastrophe . Where are these hundreds of ships? If you actually BOTHERED to watch the series, you WOULD SEE THEM. Of those ship classes y...

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Even if it requires them to do something stupid like putting children on a warship. Even if the statement is flexible doesn't mean it HAS to be that babies are born on warships. And since I envision a constant rotation in/out of Earth with all manner of ships, such as using the Roc -class Multipurp...

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Which leads me to think they had to have made allowances for family on the bigger ship(s) of the fleet. You'd also need to make allowances for onboard "activities" that could result in children, possibly even other missions the ship(s) could undertake. And it isn't like the bigger ships d...

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When does Lang decide if women can get pregnant and give birth or not? The SDF-3 is a military ship. There are hundreds of other ships in the Interstellar Fleet as well as 3 Factory Satellites where they could give birth. And, again, I have always maintained the REF has FTL-travel across multiple p...

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That does not say that everyone is in the military. Children would come under "other personnel". Since when does Lang get to decide which "children" come along? Weren't you the one calling Max, Miriya, Jean, and Grant dirtbag parents because they hadn't communicated with their c...

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That literally makes zero sense. We know the REF hadn't found Tirol because not only does Carpenter's NOT identify The Masters city-ships in orbit, the REF had NO IDEA who the Invid were until AFTER the Invid Invasion. No one on Earth did. Heck, Angelo Dante goes so far as to call them legends and f...

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We know children were being taken onboard the SDF-3 Untrue. The only people the OAV says is going on the SDF-3 are in the military. The Sentinels OAV LANG : Greetings fellow members of the Robotech Defense Force. I am Doctor Lang, leader of this mission. The process for assembling the crew to man t...

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Thanks to Teddy Gorospe on FB (for hooking me up with a downloaded copy of the Japanese Pioneer LD/DVD release) the animation in Bio-Psycher/Mind Games shows that the barrel of the Main Gun, forward of the "square" is the part that actually recoils . Everything abaft of it is the housing. ...

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Does a rail-gun recoil when fired? If it does, then it should be possible that the Spartas does have a rail-gun for its main gun until its supplanted by the 220mm beam cannon.

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Actually, the series does not say how said brother was related to her. Biological sibling, adopted sibling, foster sibling, or just very close friend. She says she has a younger brother. You have yet to provide a shred of proof of anything to the contrary. She didn't say "adopted younger broth...

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Or the line about him could be an error. Quite literally, it cannot BE an error because everything else that has been done is an ADAPTATION of the Tv series. The Tv series establishes she has a younger brother. As for Rolf's being Dana's guardian or not. He did seem to look after her, although most...

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Why Dana was left behind in the Sentinels OVA is addressed IIRC. No, it is not. That was never animated and its a rather idiotic line of reasoning anyway that imagines this firewall between the UEF and its forces in deep space that is NOWHERE in Robotech . Again, they have demonstrably FTL-comm on ...

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Given Dana was to be left behind for the Sentinels arc, it would imply they would also have left any other younger children behind if they had them, I would think. Thing is that The Sentinels was never completed and nothing in Robotech says Dana's hometown wasn't a colony somewhere (which could hav...

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They do have male voices but that could just be a dubbing error. No such thing. Plus, again, its multiple characters across multiple episodes. They sound female in Macross. Which is irrelevant. Robotech is not simply "dubbed Macross " (or "dubbed Southern Cross " or "dubbed...

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Were the males on Azonia's command ship or just in another ship in her fleet? I do remember that the spies had heard of Miriya but outside of her delivering them, I can't recall male and female Zentaedi actually being physically together until Kyron and Azonia were after the war. Nope, they served ...

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If the Zentraedi are not fertile, why the gender segregation? Actually, its been noted that the segregation doesn't REALLY exist in Robotech and that its even downplayed in SDF Macross . There are men serving aboard Azonia's command ship (the 3 spies are loaded into a canister by a Male Zentraedi w...

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Please pardon my ignorance but what is the Udon Complete Visual Archive? Its a series of 3 books that is supposed to be the collected artwork for the 3 Robotech chapters. Also, why is it HG/Tommy Yune's job to disseminate art? Its Tommy's job because he is the "creative director" at HG an...

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Post reset (the Yune-era) they appear to know of it as gb2098 said since it was buried. Why they didn't use it might indicate there was something(s) missing to be able to use the Matrix, likely the proper raw materials. Of all the stupid and utterly vapid drek Tommy Yune spat out, the idea that the...

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Then block me. YOU are responsible for what you read, not me.

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And we're back to how YOU or others interpret said dialogue. I'm interpreting the dialogue as it is, not as I want it to be. THAT'S the difference. Robotech from day one was NEVER crafted with any real plan. Trying to shoehorn things however that may be is still something HG never planned for or wa...

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The problems really arise within the fandom on this when certain segments choose to ignore what HG, despite the idiocy of their decisions they are still Canon Actually, HG's own stance says that the Tv series is canon and anything that conflicts with it is not. Core Continuity: adapted from the ori...

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Since they started off fighting the Zentraedi it makes sense that there may be larger versions for fighting an enemy that size. Thing is, that's only the novels/comics/RPG. The Tv series makes no such claim as the Zentraedi not only never mention the Invid, no one in the UEF (ASC or REF) know about...

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As time goes on and we look at things more closely, including the animation, more information is revealed about Robotech if we accept it and the dialogue at face value. For example, the Wolfe retrospective video in Eulogy states: VIDEO NARRATOR: Colonel Jonathan Wolfe, leader of a squadron dubbed Th...

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