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blade76 wrote:It is true, is there something is rifts that is omnipotent?
No. They have infinate PPE and ISP, but are still limited to exsisting spells and psionics.
and techncially speaking--they don't exsist in rifts cannon at all. Rifts Manhunter is offically unoffical--the licnece was canceled due to violations on Myrmidion press's part.
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blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
they are immune to all magical, psionic, and physical attacks. They seem to be vunerable to Chi attacks and spells it seems however.
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blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:blade76 wrote:It is true, is there something is rifts that is omnipotent?
No. They have infinate PPE and ISP, but are still limited to exsisting spells and psionics.
and techncially speaking--they don't exsist in rifts cannon at all. Rifts Manhunter is offically unoffical--the licnece was canceled due to violations on Myrmidion press's part.
I don't think you'd make something up Nekira - you're clearly a very honest person. That said; I'd like to know where you've found this information.
The foreward to the book was written by KS himself, so unless he wrote that LONG before they published it, I'm surprised by your statement re: violations.
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Subjugator wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:blade76 wrote:It is true, is there something is rifts that is omnipotent?
No. They have infinate PPE and ISP, but are still limited to exsisting spells and psionics.
and techncially speaking--they don't exsist in rifts cannon at all. Rifts Manhunter is offically unoffical--the licnece was canceled due to violations on Myrmidion press's part.
I don't think you'd make something up Nekira - you're clearly a very honest person. That said; I'd like to know where you've found this information.
The foreward to the book was written by KS himself, so unless he wrote that LONG before they published it, I'm surprised by your statement re: violations.
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Oh, it was offical, _at the time of printing_. it was found invalidated shortly before the first printing was finished shiping. i'm sure one of the empolyees on the boards will co-oberate it. if you find a Manhunters copy it'll always be first edition. but it legally cannot be part of megaversal cannon anymore, all Manhunter intellectual propery rights reverted to Myrmydion Press, including the Mulka.
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rat_bastard wrote:As for omnipotent beings, the closest thing I can think of would be the cosmic forge itself. But omnipotence seems to take all the fun out of gaming to me.
Xy was theroetically at least equal to the Cosmic Forge, id' probablly give him the Edge though.
Course, he ain't half so much now, but...
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Actually, I've got a copy of Manhunter myself, and I can tell you that they can be beaten, which is why I wonder which question KC was saying no to.Sir Ysbadden wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:No to which question KC?Killer Cyborg wrote:blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
Since he did not respond to this and i got to it first i'll answer. seeing as i have a copy of the book in question. the answer is no to both the mulka is sort of like an alien intellegance and is beyond mortal comprehension.
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Sir Ysbadden wrote:Beaten yes just not with in the context of that book's material at least not that i could see. Although maybe i am missing something.Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Actually, I've got a copy of Manhunter myself, and I can tell you that they can be beaten, which is why I wonder which question KC was saying no to.Sir Ysbadden wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:No to which question KC?Killer Cyborg wrote:blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
Since he did not respond to this and i got to it first i'll answer. seeing as i have a copy of the book in question. the answer is no to both the mulka is sort of like an alien intellegance and is beyond mortal comprehension.
Both questions.
"No known force can stop a Mulka. They are imprevious to all weapons, including blasters, swords and explosives. No material can bind them; they appear when and where they wish. Magic directed against the Mulka always misfires- with amusing or appalling results."
They know all spells, and have limitless PPE.
They have all psionic powers, and limitless ISP.
"The Mulka are completely impervious to all manners of Magic, Psionic, and Physical force. They have limitless abilities and are completely unpredictable."
The closest the book comes to indicating that a Mulka might ever possibly be defeated is:
"While nothing yet has been found to harm them, it is highly likely that something does exist. The various anti-Mulka organizations have chipped in to offer a 500,000 credit bounty to anyone bringing information of their weakness- and proof that it works, of course. The bounty has been untouched for the last ten years."
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Killer Cyborg wrote:Sir Ysbadden wrote:Beaten yes just not with in the context of that book's material at least not that i could see. Although maybe i am missing something.Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Actually, I've got a copy of Manhunter myself, and I can tell you that they can be beaten, which is why I wonder which question KC was saying no to.Sir Ysbadden wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:No to which question KC?Killer Cyborg wrote:blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
Since he did not respond to this and i got to it first i'll answer. seeing as i have a copy of the book in question. the answer is no to both the mulka is sort of like an alien intellegance and is beyond mortal comprehension.
Both questions.
"No known force can stop a Mulka. They are imprevious to all weapons, including blasters, swords and explosives. No material can bind them; they appear when and where they wish. Magic directed against the Mulka always misfires- with amusing or appalling results."
They know all spells, and have limitless PPE.
They have all psionic powers, and limitless ISP.
"The Mulka are completely impervious to all manners of Magic, Psionic, and Physical force. They have limitless abilities and are completely unpredictable."
The closest the book comes to indicating that a Mulka might ever possibly be defeated is:
"While nothing yet has been found to harm them, it is highly likely that something does exist. The various anti-Mulka organizations have chipped in to offer a 500,000 credit bounty to anyone bringing information of their weakness- and proof that it works, of course. The bounty has been untouched for the last ten years."
Yes. Chi powers are conspiculously absent from their list of immunitites. AND, as there are no chi powers in Manhunter, it can be safely assumed this is why no one there found their one weakness yet
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes. Chi powers are conspiculously absent from their list of immunitites. AND, as there are no chi powers in Manhunter, it can be safely assumed this is why no one there found their one weakness yet
Manhunters is part of Rifts.
In Rifts, Chi powers are psionic in nature.
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Re: what is a mulka?It is true, is there something is rifts
Nekira Sudacne wrote:Subjugator wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:blade76 wrote:It is true, is there something is rifts that is omnipotent?
No. They have infinate PPE and ISP, but are still limited to exsisting spells and psionics.
and techncially speaking--they don't exsist in rifts cannon at all. Rifts Manhunter is offically unoffical--the licnece was canceled due to violations on Myrmidion press's part.
I don't think you'd make something up Nekira - you're clearly a very honest person. That said; I'd like to know where you've found this information.
The foreward to the book was written by KS himself, so unless he wrote that LONG before they published it, I'm surprised by your statement re: violations.
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Oh, it was offical, _at the time of printing_. it was found invalidated shortly before the first printing was finished shiping. i'm sure one of the empolyees on the boards will co-oberate it. if you find a Manhunters copy it'll always be first edition. but it legally cannot be part of megaversal cannon anymore, all Manhunter intellectual propery rights reverted to Myrmydion Press, including the Mulka.
I thought there were only first printings because Myrmidon went under shortly after it shipped.
I'm going to have to check out the Mulka.
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Killer Cyborg wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes. Chi powers are conspiculously absent from their list of immunitites. AND, as there are no chi powers in Manhunter, it can be safely assumed this is why no one there found their one weakness yet
Manhunters is part of Rifts.
In Rifts, Chi powers are psionic in nature.
Mulkas are immune to all psionics.
actually, Mulka were written long ago, when by the conversion books Rifts still used Chi, which means that'd be th rules they were written to operate under.
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Since there is no Palladium people to "co-oberate" Nekira's statement I will. At the time it was printed it was a legit agreement and production of Manhunter was licensed to Myrmidon press by Palladium, for reasons unknown to me (and I believe to the general public as a whole) the license was contested/pulled by Palladium and all printing and shipping of Manhunter stopped. So those few that were sold ARE canon as they were produced under a legit license.
BTW its corroborate
BTW its corroborate
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Thinyser wrote:Since there is no Palladium people to "co-oberate" Nekira's statement I will. At the time it was printed it was a legit agreement and production of Manhunter was licensed to Myrmidon press by Palladium, for reasons unknown to me (and I believe to the general public as a whole) the license was contested/pulled by Palladium and all printing and shipping of Manhunter stopped. So those few that were sold ARE canon as they were produced under a legit license.
BTW its corroborate
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Thanks for that info. I'd tend to agree with you - though I don't think it fits with my campaign in any way.
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Subjugator wrote:Thinyser wrote:Since there is no Palladium people to "co-oberate" Nekira's statement I will. At the time it was printed it was a legit agreement and production of Manhunter was licensed to Myrmidon press by Palladium, for reasons unknown to me (and I believe to the general public as a whole) the license was contested/pulled by Palladium and all printing and shipping of Manhunter stopped. So those few that were sold ARE canon as they were produced under a legit license.
BTW its corroborate
They Thiny,
Thanks for that info. I'd tend to agree with you - though I don't think it fits with my campaign in any way.
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No problem just "co-oberating" what NS said.
Yeah, If I was in a better financial situation I would buy (or alteast offer to buy) one of the less than mint copies from you. I don't own a copy but I have access to one anytime I want to look at it. Its not somehting that would ever fit into my games either so there isn't a point in owning it other than to say I have it in my collection. Funny how I want something I dont ever intend to use... just to say na na look what I have...
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Sorry, KC, no. While there have been various books trying to make Chi Powers into Psionics (or magic...not even the Rifts books can keep this straight), Chi Powers as Chi still exist in Rifts.Killer Cyborg wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes. Chi powers are conspiculously absent from their list of immunitites. AND, as there are no chi powers in Manhunter, it can be safely assumed this is why no one there found their one weakness yet
Manhunters is part of Rifts.
In Rifts, Chi powers are psionic in nature.
Mulkas are immune to all psionics.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sorry, KC, no. While there have been various books trying to make Chi Powers into Psionics (or magic...not even the Rifts books can keep this straight), Chi Powers as Chi still exist in Rifts.Killer Cyborg wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes. Chi powers are conspiculously absent from their list of immunitites. AND, as there are no chi powers in Manhunter, it can be safely assumed this is why no one there found their one weakness yet
Manhunters is part of Rifts.
In Rifts, Chi powers are psionic in nature.
Mulkas are immune to all psionics.
Where?
I'm going by CB1 Revised, which seems to apply to all N&S style chi powers.
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China II explains Chi,
It appears to contradict at least two other interpretations in Rifts Japan, Conversion Book and the Phase World Sourcebook...
Good luck sorting it out!!!
I suppose phased weaponry may have a chance of harming a mulka, and there is that race in the Rifter that can 'death strike' by interupting the flow of life energy.
It appears to contradict at least two other interpretations in Rifts Japan, Conversion Book and the Phase World Sourcebook...
Good luck sorting it out!!!
I suppose phased weaponry may have a chance of harming a mulka, and there is that race in the Rifter that can 'death strike' by interupting the flow of life energy.
I assume you're referring to the optional rules.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sorry, KC, no. While there have been various books trying to make Chi Powers into Psionics (or magic...not even the Rifts books can keep this straight), Chi Powers as Chi still exist in Rifts.Killer Cyborg wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes. Chi powers are conspiculously absent from their list of immunitites. AND, as there are no chi powers in Manhunter, it can be safely assumed this is why no one there found their one weakness yet
Manhunters is part of Rifts.
In Rifts, Chi powers are psionic in nature.
Mulkas are immune to all psionics.
Where?
I'm going by CB1 Revised, which seems to apply to all N&S style chi powers.
Or maybe you missed the sentence where it says, "Also see Oriental Martial Art Powers as optional (specialized and rare) psionic abilities, complete with I.S.P. cost."
Of course, that doesn't even cover the problems of Rifts Japan and Rifts China where we get the fun problem of Chi existing, yet trying to be equated to P.P.E. or I.S.P. and we end up with the following possibilities:
Chi = Chi, but is represented by I.S.P.
Chi = I.S.P.
Chi = P.P.E
Chi = P.P.E = I.S.P.
P.P.E = I.S.P.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:I assume you're referring to the optional rules.
Or maybe you missed the sentence where it says, "Also see Oriental Martial Art Powers as optional (specialized and rare) psionic abilities, complete with I.S.P. cost."
I did miss that.
It's a typical Palladium sentence that could mean:
"Optional rules for counting all chi powers as psionic powers"
or
"Psionics have the option to take chi powers as psionic abilities".
Either way, it doesn't seem like it means what I thought it did originally; that ALL chi powers were psionic powers.
(Although it still may)
Of course, that doesn't even cover the problems of Rifts Japan and Rifts China where we get the fun problem of Chi existing, yet trying to be equated to P.P.E. or I.S.P. and we end up with the following possibilities:
Chi = Chi, but is represented by I.S.P.
Chi = I.S.P.
Chi = P.P.E
Chi = P.P.E = I.S.P.
P.P.E = I.S.P.
There are enough tie-ins that it seems to me that if a Mulka is impervious to psionics and magic, they are more likely than not also impervious to chi-powers.
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Now you're just grasping at straws.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:I assume you're referring to the optional rules.
Or maybe you missed the sentence where it says, "Also see Oriental Martial Art Powers as optional (specialized and rare) psionic abilities, complete with I.S.P. cost."
I did miss that.
It's a typical Palladium sentence that could mean:
"Optional rules for counting all chi powers as psionic powers"
or
"Psionics have the option to take chi powers as psionic abilities".
Either way, it doesn't seem like it means what I thought it did originally; that ALL chi powers were psionic powers.
(Although it still may)Of course, that doesn't even cover the problems of Rifts Japan and Rifts China where we get the fun problem of Chi existing, yet trying to be equated to P.P.E. or I.S.P. and we end up with the following possibilities:
Chi = Chi, but is represented by I.S.P.
Chi = I.S.P.
Chi = P.P.E
Chi = P.P.E = I.S.P.
P.P.E = I.S.P.
There are enough tie-ins that it seems to me that if a Mulka is impervious to psionics and magic, they are more likely than not also impervious to chi-powers.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.
As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
Oddly enough - even though this is not a Palladium product, they are the controlling factor on this. I wonder if we could get an official answer.
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The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.
Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
Even if we could get an "official answer" I wouldn't be inclined to trust it, the problems in Rifts with Chi preclude any such answer from clearing up all the contradictions already present within the system (unless, by odd chance, Palladium comes up with an official complete overhaul of Chi's handling in Rifts that doesn't mess up the basic concepts of all three with it's own internal contradiction).Oddly enough - even though this is not a Palladium product, they are the controlling factor on this. I wonder if we could get an official answer.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
"The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi" is also not a solid argument.
Far from it.
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Well thank you for agreeing with me, and killing your own original argument in the first place.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
"The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi" is also not a solid argument.
Far from it.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Well thank you for agreeing with me, and killing your own original argument in the first place.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
"The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi" is also not a solid argument.
Far from it.
Which original argument?
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Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Well thank you for agreeing with me, and killing your own original argument in the first place.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
"The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi" is also not a solid argument.
Far from it.
Which original argument?
Killer Cyborg wrote:blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Well thank you for agreeing with me, and killing your own original argument in the first place.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
"The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi" is also not a solid argument.
Far from it.
Which original argument?Killer Cyborg wrote:blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
I don't think I've killed that argument.
There is no listed way to defeat them.
They are meant to be undefeatable aliens.
Nobody has ever found a way to harm them.
Even if something was found that could harm them, they'd still be effectively undefeatable due to all their other powers.
In effect, there is no way to beat them or harness their powers.
Unless the GM goes well out of his way to make something up.
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Nice way to rephrase, "The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi". Your arguments defeat themselves KC.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Well thank you for agreeing with me, and killing your own original argument in the first place.Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:The use "it seems to me" and "it still may" are NOT the basis of for a solid argument.Subjugator wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Now you're just grasping at straws.
Gotta disagree with you here. I think he's got a solid argument.Not at all, Killer Cyborg has offered nothing solid to support his position, just his opinions based on the limited arguments presented so far (I didn't feel like reprinting the entire condemnation of Rifts Japan's and Rifts China's extremely poor attempts at equating Chi with something else).As I agree with most things you say, I'm surprised for you to take this position, as *IT* is grasping at straws.
"The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi" is also not a solid argument.
Far from it.
Which original argument?Killer Cyborg wrote:blade76 wrote:Any way to harness their power?
Can they be beaten?
No.
I don't think I've killed that argument.
There is no listed way to defeat them.
They are meant to be undefeatable aliens.
Nobody has ever found a way to harm them.
Even if something was found that could harm them, they'd still be effectively undefeatable due to all their other powers.
Or uses Negative Chi to infect them.In effect, there is no way to beat them or harness their powers.
Unless the GM goes well out of his way to make something up.
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Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Nice way to rephrase, "The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi". Your arguments defeat themselves KC.Killer Cyborg wrote:I don't think I've killed that argument.
There is no listed way to defeat them.
They are meant to be undefeatable aliens.
Nobody has ever found a way to harm them.
Even if something was found that could harm them, they'd still be effectively undefeatable due to all their other powers.
No, they don't.
It's not the same argument. By the books, they are meant to be undefeatable without GM intervention.
Ergo, they are undefeatable without GM intervention.
You are grasping at straws.
Or uses Negative Chi to infect them.In effect, there is no way to beat them or harness their powers.
Unless the GM goes well out of his way to make something up.
As I pointed out, there is no evidence that negative chi would affect them. That's just your guess based solely on the fact that the books don't specifically say that they're immune to it.
You might as well say that they're vulnerable to hummus, since the books don't specifically say that they're immune to hummus.
But let's go with the idea that they can be infected with negative chi.
In order to actually have any effect, you first have to dispel the target's positive chi. Which, with a mulka, is likely to be infinite; just like their PPE and ISP. So good luck there.
But perhaps they only have a normal amount of chi. And you manage to somehow sneak up on one, and manage to hit it with a negative chi attack, and you manage to get fill it with negative chi.
All it has to do is to go to a place with positive chi and hang out for a while until they are refilled with positive chi.
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Killer Cyborg wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Nice way to rephrase, "The book doesn't say that they are NOT immune to chi, so therefore they must BE immune to Chi". Your arguments defeat themselves KC.Killer Cyborg wrote:I don't think I've killed that argument.
There is no listed way to defeat them.
They are meant to be undefeatable aliens.
Nobody has ever found a way to harm them.
Even if something was found that could harm them, they'd still be effectively undefeatable due to all their other powers.
No, they don't.
It's not the same argument. By the books, they are meant to be undefeatable without GM intervention.
Ergo, they are undefeatable without GM intervention.
You are grasping at straws.Or uses Negative Chi to infect them.In effect, there is no way to beat them or harness their powers.
Unless the GM goes well out of his way to make something up.
As I pointed out, there is no evidence that negative chi would affect them. That's just your guess based solely on the fact that the books don't specifically say that they're immune to it.
You might as well say that they're vulnerable to hummus, since the books don't specifically say that they're immune to hummus.
But let's go with the idea that they can be infected with negative chi.
In order to actually have any effect, you first have to dispel the target's positive chi. Which, with a mulka, is likely to be infinite; just like their PPE and ISP. So good luck there.
But perhaps they only have a normal amount of chi. And you manage to somehow sneak up on one, and manage to hit it with a negative chi attack, and you manage to get fill it with negative chi.
All it has to do is to go to a place with positive chi and hang out for a while until they are refilled with positive chi.
The book says "It is suspected that there is something capable of harming the Mulka, although it is currently unkown"
No one in the manhunters universe had Chi powers--obviosuly why no one knew it could harm them.
To me, it was obvious that this was ment to be their weakness.
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