Question about the factions - Catholic Inquisition.

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:38 am

I'm working on some info for a new faction (yeah, I can hear your groans already), and I wanted to make sure that I'm not duplicating something that's already in one of the books or in the Rifters.

Two words: Catholic Inquisition. Has it been done?

P.S. I still haven't had the chance to read all the nightbane source material that I have. I'm working on this at work, so I don't have my books here to peruse.

Nekira Sudacne · Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:06 am

an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

let some other christian demonination go around slaying demons and witches.

Fear the Lutharians, Evil!

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:36 am

Nekira Sudacne wrote:an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

let some other christian demonination go around slaying demons and witches.

Fear the Lutharians, Evil!

Not a bad suggestion. I used the Catholics because they've been around for so long, and because of the rumors that they have the largest occult library on the planet. They also originated the Inquisition as well, and it lasted much longer then most people believe, almost to modern times.

However, I can easily include a brief description on other denominations out there, but I would have to limit it to religions that I have some familiarity with. For example, I'm sure that there would be Chinese and Indian demon hunters as well, but I don't have the expertise to write them up. If I knew more about Judaism, the "Judaic Arcanist", or "Cabalist" OCC's would just be cool. Spell list could include, create golem, turn snakes to sticks, part water, impervious to fire, earthquake, create water, and speak with burning foliage.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:44 am

Just call it the Inquisition and don't put a denomination on it. Most people will assume Catholic anyway.

Oh, and if you intend to publish this, tread carefully in your treatment of the religion. It can be a villain, but it needs to at least be a respectable one, and their side of the story should be presented.

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:31 am

DavidGallaher1 wrote:Well, WW did it ... but if yours is different enough and historic enough, it's cool.

Yeah, I remebered something about WW doing this, but I don't remember the details. I'm not trying to base this on their stuff anyway, so I'm not worried about what they did. I just thought this was a logical story arc.

I'm not catholic, so I don't know quite enough to really flesh it out for publication, unless it's a really small Rifter submission. I know I could do some research, but even minor research could take forever, because the church has been around for so long. (ie let the knowledgeable fill in the blanks about specific priestly orders and saints and such. The unknowledgeable could just fake it.)

Well, I think that this answers the question that no one's covered this ground in an officail or semi-offical way. I will probably finish this in the next couple of days. I'll put this up on my website, as this would be a massive post. (at least 3 character classes... description of the order, etc)

I'll put a link in this thread when it goes up, so the interested can read it.

BTW, yeah, I'm trying to be respectful of other people's beliefs (except for white mexican jewish witches... grrr - just kidding)

Sentinel · Unread post by **Sentinel** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:48 am

Nekira Sudacne wrote:an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

let some other christian demonination go around slaying demons and witches.

Fear the Lutharians, Evil!

Bah!
No one expects The Unitarian Inquisition!!!

Not even the Unitarians.

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:12 am

Sentinel wrote:No one expects The Unitarian Inquisition!!!

"Oh no, it's the Pentacostal Inquisition! Quick, run while they're speaking in tongues!"

"Shhh... hide the playing cards... it's the Babtist inquisition!!"

Nekira Sudacne · Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:55 am

Ahh! Run for your lives.

It's the Mormond Inqusition!

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:03 am

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Ahh! Run for your lives.

It's the Mormond Inqusition!

running will do no good... they're really fast on those bikes...

Steve Dubya · Unread post by **Steve Dubya** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:33 am

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Ahh! Run for your lives.

It's the Mormond Inqusition!

"Mormond"?

I personally would fear the wrath of the "Non-Denominational Inquisition" - I can't imagine the three-ring circus that would be in trying to determine what was even considered heresy in the first place...

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:54 am

Nerdbane wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

Isn't that kinda like saying "Oh, sure, Nazis make great villains, but do they always have to be German?!?"

da Nerdbane

at least it wasn't Nazis riding dinosaurs

Nekira Sudacne · Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:08 pm

Nerdbane wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

Isn't that kinda like saying "Oh, sure, Nazis make great villains, but do they always have to be German?!?"

da Nerdbane

what do you think the Coalition was for?

Sentinel · Unread post by **Sentinel** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:51 pm

Stattick wrote:
Nerdbane wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

Isn't that kinda like saying "Oh, sure, Nazis make great villains, but do they always have to be German?!?"

da Nerdbane

at least it wasn't Nazis riding dinosaurs

Nazi Simvan you say? :shock:

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:53 pm

well, i went to research just a couple of facts on the inquisition, and now hours later, the whole thing is re-written and just about done. The research results I got this time were way better then last time, and I got some juicy stuff. I'll hopefully have this finished by Sunday.

there's gotta be something wrong with me, if this is my idea of fun! need to sleep. gotta go to work in 5 hours...

Puroresu · Unread post by **Puroresu** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:42 pm

You could have a Church of the Nazarene Inquisition. The only difference is that it would be led by women, while the men review church policy.

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to seeing how this one turns out. I'm interested to know how the Inquisition feels about the other Factions in Nightbane.

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:44 am

Puroresu wrote:You could have a Church of the Nazarene Inquisition. The only difference is that it would be led by women, while the men review church policy.

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to seeing how this one turns out. I'm interested to know how the Inquisition feels about the other Factions in Nightbane.

I don't know anything about the Church of the Nazarene except the name and that it's some flavor of Christianity.

Sentinel · Unread post by **Sentinel** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:11 am

Stattick wrote:well, i went to research just a couple of facts on the inquisition, and now hours later, the whole thing is re-written and just about done. The research results I got this time were way better then last time, and I got some juicy stuff. I'll hopefully have this finished by Sunday.

there's gotta be something wrong with me, if this is my idea of fun! need to sleep. gotta go to work in 5 hours...

It's not just you.

I'm working on four hours of real sleep, and can't wait to have some free time to do more game work.

Overlord Rikonius · Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:23 pm

Sentinel wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:an Inqusition is fine, but having it always be catholics is getting old.

let some other christian demonination go around slaying demons and witches.

Fear the Lutharians, Evil!

Bah!
No one expects The Unitarian Inquisition!!!

Not even the Unitarians.

Or the Church of England Inquisition.

"Now then, we find you guilty of being an evil abomination. We hereby sentence you to... tea and cake with the vicar or death!"

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:20 pm

I've known a vicar - believe me, you want death - just ask for the cake with your last meal.

Steve Conan Trustrum · Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:02 am

Before I pitched Tribes of the Moon, I pitched a Catholic church sourcebook. Palladium thought it was cool, but because of their position on using religious material they asked that I instead expand TotM into a full manuscript. I was supposed to follow-up TotM with a book to develop the vampires of Nightbane and my ideas for the Catholic Inquisition ended up in there as the organization, Pendragon (after some heavy re-writing.) You can download the unedited but formated PDF of the latter manuscript, including the Pendragon material, from trustrum.com in the downloads section should you wish to have a look.

Steve Dubya · Unread post by **Steve Dubya** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:05 am

Sweet - will do as I am most curious to see a "semi-official" view of how this might all work.

Steve Conan Trustrum · Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:06 am

You Know wrote:Sweet - will do as I am most curious to see a "semi-official" view of how this might all work.

There is a theologian OCC in there that Kevin approved as a way to represent a priest without actually saying "hey, this is a Catholic priest!" Indeed, he's the one who suggested the name, 'Theologian.'

Steve Dubya · Unread post by **Steve Dubya** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:08 am

It'll take me awhile to go through all of that (since it isn't just a "one-sitting" reading by the looks of it).

Thanks for the "heads up."

Steve Conan Trustrum · Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:12 am

No prob.

One day I hope to actually have the time to edit both it and the TotM (both are just the raw text) and do a proper layout with clipart so that, even though it's just a netbook, it would look like a PDF version of a print book. The advantage of being a rpg PDF publisher is that the means are all in my hands, just not the time

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:55 am

Well, then they'll probably refuse my submission once I get my inquisition stuff finished, but I'm gonnas submit anyway. If they like it, at least they'll know my name. Oh well.

I might be able to finish it today or tommorow. The girlfriend took too much of my time for me to be able to get much work done over the weekend - silly me I forgot there was a holiday. Here I am writing about the church, not realizing that one of their most important holidays was around the corner. :lol:

Nekira Sudacne · Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:14 pm

Steve Conan Trustrum wrote:No prob.

One day I hope to actually have the time to edit both it and the TotM (both are just the raw text) and do a proper layout with clipart so that, even though it's just a netbook, it would look like a PDF version of a print book. The advantage of being a rpg PDF publisher is that the means are all in my hands, just not the time

Why did you never finish/send them in to palladium?

Steve Dubya · Unread post by **Steve Dubya** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:20 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Why did you never finish/send them in to palladium?

As discussed earlier:

Steve Conan Trustrum wrote:Palladium thought it was cool, but because of their position on using religious material they asked that I instead expand TotM into a full manuscript.

Steve Conan Trustrum · Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:24 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Why did you never finish/send them in to palladium?

I sent the 40 page pitch in, which included their secret backstory and summation of additional material, but it was judged too controversial for Palladium (see Palladium's policy on avoiding all things regarding contemporary religion.) So, for one of the Nightbane books I was asked to write I took the ideas and used them as the foundation for Pendragon, a "spiritual" group that had its origins in the historical Church but had long since broken away. If you look over the Pendragon material you can see that it can EASILY be altered to represent an organization that still has secret ties to the Church.

Nekira Sudacne · Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:59 pm

Steve Conan Trustrum wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:Why did you never finish/send them in to palladium?
I sent the 40 page pitch in, which included their secret backstory and summation of additional material, but it was judged too controversial for Palladium (see Palladium's policy on avoiding all things regarding contemporary religion.) So, for one of the Nightbane books I was asked to write I took the ideas and used them as the foundation for Pendragon, a "spiritual" group that had its origins in the historical Church but had long since broken away. If you look over the Pendragon material you can see that it can EASILY be altered to represent an organization that still has secret ties to the Church.

Where can I find this again?

Steve Conan Trustrum · Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:07 pm

www.trustrum.com and then go to the downloads section to get the Nations of Blood PDF. TotM hasn't yet been put into a PDF (I'm too busy with PDFs that pays the bills at the moment.) As I said, though, I hope to do proper editing and layout for both one of these days.

Stattick · Unread post by **Stattick** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:34 pm

Question -

I'm about 90% done with my Inquisition stuff. Mostly, I just need to write up some NPC's w/ fluff text, and the OCC's.

Would you rather I waited to complete it before putting it on my site, or would you rather I do a final edit and put up what I have without the game mechanic stuff?

I still plan on finishing it and posting the mechanic stuff later.

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