drewkitty ~..~ wrote:drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Looking at the NPC you mentioned it appears that the writer was
loosely following the RCB1r rules about young D-Bee chars picking a class in their new world, instead of following their old life path. Also it is known that the writers ""Take Liberties""
when creating their NPCs.
Like I said "it is known that the writers ""Take Liberties"" when creating their NPCs."
Thus, I was not saying that the RCB1r rules cover PCs. Only that the writer seams to be using them to justify creating that char that way.
Incorrect.
You are claiming that.
The writer no where states that they are using those rules.
You are claiming that they are using the rule. The difference is of
significant important because.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:IF.... KS meant that that rule was meant to cover Power Cats (HU templates) and apprenticeships (ATB2 Templates) then he
well should of included them in the text. Instead only OCCs are mentioned. You know this as well as I do eliakon. Whether they meant something else when they wrote the text, they should of written what they meant instead of what they did write.
So if you want to complain to the person responsible for this deficit, you know it is not me you should be complaining to.
Again your problem here not ours.
We are stating that the HU character changed classes.
We can point to a character that did so and say it happened.
YOU are the one stating that it must have used a specific rule and then further stating that the rule used was broken.
That is
your unsuported contention. It does not, however seem to be supported by the facts and as such neither makes the author wrong nor does it make the rule in RCBr be incorrectly applied. This is because as far as can be told the rule in RCBr1 was not the rule used to make Sir Gabriel.
Just because there is a rule in RCBr 1 does not mean that is the
only way something can happen. And in the absence of any statement by the author that they used that rule as the justification for the creation of Sir Gabriel it is pure conjecture to conclude that they used that rule (incorrectly) to make him.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote: Interpreting that the any of the changing OCCs rules cover Power cats or apprenticeships is a House Rule.
Only
half correct.
We know that it
can be done.
We do not know the specifics of how it is done, just that it can be done...
...but the fact that it
can be done is established canon and it would be a house rule to say that it can
not be done.
We know that it is canon because it is a thing that has been done in canon.
Simply put we can point to a Canon example of a Mega-Hero (that is a Power Category) who stopped advancing as a Mega-Hero and instead started advancing as a Mystic Knight (that is an O.C.C.).
Like it or not (and frankly I'm not a fan of it myself to be honest, but done is done and its canon now) "So it was written, so it was done"
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:CC's =/= power cat =/= apprenticeships
Yes, they are all types of character templates that PB uses. That in itself does not make them the same. Especially when it is VERY
PLANE TO SEE that they ARE NOT THE SAME.
Again you are the only one making the claim that the rules that were used to change out of the power category are the same ones that apply to OCCs. The rest of us are just saying that there
are rules even though we might not know what they are.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Since the HU1 was written after the PF1, the PCs were Written To Be Different from the CCs in PF1. ATB2 was written decades after that, and the apprenticeships there were Written To Be Different from the CCs & power cats.
Again, your tilting at a windmill by making a claim that has quite literally no meaning.
Yes a Power Category is different than a OCC which is different than an RCC which is different than an Apprenticeship. So what?
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:There. All the legs of your arguments are busted up and thrown in the fire.
Not in the slightest. You have quite literally done absolutely nothing here but state that a Power Category is not an O.C.C.
To which the rest of the universe says "so?"
Or to diagram it
(Power Category =/= O.C.C.) =/= Can not stop being a power category and learn an O.C.C.
On the contrary we
know that this can be done because
it has been done proving that it is indeed a thing that can be done.
And yes this does also btw does mean that since a Power Category =/= O.C.C. that the rules for changing
into a new O.C.C. are not what would be used to gain a new power category either, assuming that such a thing is indeed possible, which is something that is that I don't know about and don't frankly care about at this point as its not all that germane right now.
<edit> According to Gramercy Island page 173 it is, as Hazmat was a 9th level Hazmat Specialist (an O.C.C. it seems) when he was exposed to Hypertane, mutated and is now a "level 1 monster/villain" with the Power Category of "Considered an accidental Mega-Experiment"
Of course this doesn't say that it is possible to move from one Power Category to another, and indeed Raptor Red would seem to imply you would just become even more Mega and get more powah if that happens.
Thus we have our two black swans
Sir Gabriel who is our black swan demonstrating that it is possible to stop being a power category and become an OCC
and Hazmat who is our black swan demonstrating that it is possible to stop being an OCC and become a power category.