Genocide against the CS? Is it morally justified?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:53 am
So... Many people are part of what I like to call the "Coalition Defense Force" on the boards. Meaning people who defend the Coalition and make justification for whatever they do in lieu of admitting that the CS went off the deep end a long time ago.
So this thread I want to use the same logic presented in the defense of the CS to show why anyone, even the Federation of Magic, could be morally justified in killing every member of the Coalition States, meaning every man, woman, and child.
So... Without further delay:
1. Enacting genocide against the Coalition States is an act of self-defense.
We know from HoH that the Coalition States, as a whole, want to eliminate all mages and all dbees who are on Rifts Earth. This means that, any violent action taken against any member of the CS is justified as self-defense. The defenders of the Coalition state that it was okay for the CS to murder innocent non-combatants, women and children, during the Tolkeen war because it was possible that any of them could have been a mage, dragon, etc in disguise and so killing them all was the only way to be sure and was a rational, and not evil, act.
So let us flip this. The civilians of the CS support the CS. The CS uses propaganda to recruit from those civilians. Meaning the enemies of the CS have no way to know that the CS civilians aren't going to be deadboys and girls some day. Furthermore they could also be CS operatives in disguise. After all, any CS special forces soldier could put on a dress and claim to be an ignorant housewife. The CS uses propaganda and as such are skilled at manipulation and subterfuge. Thus any CS civilian needs to be assumed to be a combatant, I mean heck, they could be a Psi-Bat using some kind of psychic disguise to appear as a child after all... Right?
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2. The CS, by claiming to be the continuation of the pre-Cataclysm society, are aggressors.
Another common argument in the defense of the CS is that they are the official and rightful inheritors of humanity, meaning pre-cataclysm humanity, and as such they have a right to all areas of the Earth as Earth is the property of those humans. Magic using humans have violated the rules of humanity as determined by the CS and such don't count as human.
Well, let us flip this on its head. The pre-cataclysm humans caused the rifts by lighting a match known as thermonuclear war. This caused a surge of PPE to come from billions of slaughtered humans and thus, combined with a celestial alignment, blew open the rifts. When this happened millions of innocent dbees who had never even heard of Earth, were ripped away from their homes, kidnapped basically, and deposited on a hostile alien world. I don't know about you, but if you kidnapped my family, then said it was okay to murder them all, then I would be quite upset. They are responsible for all of the pain and suffering felt by every dbee on Earth. Every death, human or dbee, related to a dbee would never have happened if humans hadn't dropped those bombs... So... Yeah... The CS, by claiming that mantle... Also claimed the responsibility for the pain that they caused.
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There are plenty more... Though let us focus on these two first... So, if it is okay when we justify the actions of the CS... Then it is okay to justify the actions of even the Federation of Magic... Right? Isn't it?
Warning: For Trolling - no need to start discussing other posters.
So this thread I want to use the same logic presented in the defense of the CS to show why anyone, even the Federation of Magic, could be morally justified in killing every member of the Coalition States, meaning every man, woman, and child.
So... Without further delay:
1. Enacting genocide against the Coalition States is an act of self-defense.
We know from HoH that the Coalition States, as a whole, want to eliminate all mages and all dbees who are on Rifts Earth. This means that, any violent action taken against any member of the CS is justified as self-defense. The defenders of the Coalition state that it was okay for the CS to murder innocent non-combatants, women and children, during the Tolkeen war because it was possible that any of them could have been a mage, dragon, etc in disguise and so killing them all was the only way to be sure and was a rational, and not evil, act.
So let us flip this. The civilians of the CS support the CS. The CS uses propaganda to recruit from those civilians. Meaning the enemies of the CS have no way to know that the CS civilians aren't going to be deadboys and girls some day. Furthermore they could also be CS operatives in disguise. After all, any CS special forces soldier could put on a dress and claim to be an ignorant housewife. The CS uses propaganda and as such are skilled at manipulation and subterfuge. Thus any CS civilian needs to be assumed to be a combatant, I mean heck, they could be a Psi-Bat using some kind of psychic disguise to appear as a child after all... Right?
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2. The CS, by claiming to be the continuation of the pre-Cataclysm society, are aggressors.
Another common argument in the defense of the CS is that they are the official and rightful inheritors of humanity, meaning pre-cataclysm humanity, and as such they have a right to all areas of the Earth as Earth is the property of those humans. Magic using humans have violated the rules of humanity as determined by the CS and such don't count as human.
Well, let us flip this on its head. The pre-cataclysm humans caused the rifts by lighting a match known as thermonuclear war. This caused a surge of PPE to come from billions of slaughtered humans and thus, combined with a celestial alignment, blew open the rifts. When this happened millions of innocent dbees who had never even heard of Earth, were ripped away from their homes, kidnapped basically, and deposited on a hostile alien world. I don't know about you, but if you kidnapped my family, then said it was okay to murder them all, then I would be quite upset. They are responsible for all of the pain and suffering felt by every dbee on Earth. Every death, human or dbee, related to a dbee would never have happened if humans hadn't dropped those bombs... So... Yeah... The CS, by claiming that mantle... Also claimed the responsibility for the pain that they caused.
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There are plenty more... Though let us focus on these two first... So, if it is okay when we justify the actions of the CS... Then it is okay to justify the actions of even the Federation of Magic... Right? Isn't it?