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1) New Mecha and Weapons from ROBOTECH Tactics.

2) New Ships and any new Mecha from ROBOTECH Academy.

Definetely the YF-4.

SRoss wrote:1) New Mecha and Weapons from ROBOTECH Tactics.

2) New Ships and any new Mecha from ROBOTECH Academy.

Maybe the new RPG Tactics game book will have... RPG material, not just Wargaming material?

Tiree wrote:

SRoss wrote:1) New Mecha and Weapons from ROBOTECH Tactics.

2) New Ships and any new Mecha from ROBOTECH Academy.

Maybe the new RPG Tactics game book will have... RPG material, not just Wargaming material?

One can always hope.

The old DL multi-environment truck from the original MACROSS arc.

I wish Harmony Gold would let the writers at Palladium to go a little bit out there with the material. Maybe new ships, aliens, hell new cyclones and other stuff. Would be nice to actually expand the universe through the rpg.

Chronicler wrote:I wish Harmony Gold would let the writers at Palladium to go a little bit out there with the material. Maybe new ships, aliens, hell new cyclones and other stuff. Would be nice to actually expand the universe through the rpg.

Sadly, not likely, as everything has to go by HG and Tommy. Because in the old first-edition days, PB had a lot more leeway, but they also got a lot of details on the source material wrong(especially in the Southern Cross arc), many mistakes of which became fanon(like the old 'Giant Alpha' Vindicator based on bad scaling in scenes from the attack on Reflex Point) that became hard to dislodge from the fanbase conceptions. We're lucky to get new material like extraterrestrial Genesis Pit monsters and the IMUs.
We can dream, though, of another happy gift package like Strike Force and Return of the Masters(2nd printing) with their treasure troves of prototypes and advanced pre-production models, but now, I'd settle for the Improved Alphas from RSTC statted up.

Based on the artwork and the titling the Artillery Cruiser Takeru fills the same roll of the macross cannon in Macross 2. I can't see any other weapon systems in the artwork, other then the main gun. This is due to ether bad angles on viewing the ship or there are no other weapons. So the only thing I can say with any certainty is that there is going to be ether a Heavy Particle Beam Zent style cannon or a SDF1 style main reflex gun.

It would be surprising if there were not any point defense lasers even if I can't see them in the artwork.

As to the way the Takeru class looks.....it looks like a Salamis cruiser (Gundam) whose front 2/5ths are replaced by the booms from the SDF1. With the forming a martini glass space in between them.

these are all pre-production designs, so i'd take the designs accuracy in the final production to this with a huge grain of sodium.

Colonel Wolfe wrote:these are all pre-production designs, so i'd take the designs accuracy in the final production to this with a huge grain of sodium.

Maybe a huge grain of sodium-chloride.

I wouldn't want just sodium or just chlorine.


Yep, at this point all of this is just speculation.

https://www.facebook.com/Robotechx/phot ... 87/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/Robotechx/phot ... 39/?type=1

These are beautiful.... someone's 3-d version.

Colonel Wolfe wrote:https://www.facebook.com/Robotechx/photos/pcb.748522041877686/748521365211087/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/Robotechx/phot ... 39/?type=1

These are beautiful.... someone's 3-d version.

I haveta admit, those are good.

it might help to be specific..

here is what comes to mind for me..

Macross period:
The remaining Zentreadi warships;
-- Salan Scout/Escort/Frigate
-- Quiltra-Quelamitz 'Monitor"/gunship
-- Quiltra Queleual Transport/carrier
-- Queadol-Magdomilla Command ship
-- Fulbtzs-Berrentzs Command Base/Asteroid Fortress
-- Boquomouxy Quel-Quallie Theatre Scout
zent Shuttlecraft
zent Landing craft/re-entry pod.
Zentraedi Cannon pod (as seen in RTT)
Female PA alternate weapons (as seen in RTT)
-- Handheld beam cannon
-- particle beam version (replacing the missiles)

YF-4 (as seen in RTT)
"prototype Battloid" (as seen in RTT)

Fan Racer (rick's plane in the pilot ep.)
Fan Liner (the plane minmei won in the contest and rick fly's her to japan in)

Master's period:
Tokugawa class Battleship
'Battle" class cruiser
"Banshee" class Destroyer

Master's Destroyer
"Triumveroid" live fire training unit (the flying, gun equipped, sphere mecha)
Robotech master's organic replacement body parts, remote prosthetic bodies, and organic androids. (all of which are seen in the show but not detailed in the RPG)
- earth's "old cyborgs" referred to to in reference to the above by Louie.

New Generation period:
Alpha Drone fighters
Shadow drone Fighters
Mars division version ikazuchi Carriers (to match New Gen appearance. reduced point defense, half as long, use quick launch racks, basically more an LST to land ground troops than the fighter carrier we see in tSC.)

glitterboy2098 wrote:Robotech master's organic replacement body parts, remote prosthetic bodies, and organic androids. (all of which are seen in the show but not detailed in the RPG)

That the Masters have essentially bio-system cybernetics/cloned body parts I do not dispute. However I'm not sure about the remote prosthetic bodies or even their "organic androids. The Masters do have the cybernetic technology to hijack a living being (Zor Prime prime example) and control their actions, so at best you only need a cybernetic component (IIRC Rifts has a similar component that can take control of cybernetic/bionic systems). Organic Androids IMHO don't exist, but are a misinturpretation of the Masters clones who have cybernetic implants (Masters only refer to their forces as clones, never as android) and the out of blue ("Half-Moon") notion they are fighting androids which they seem to want to keep going.

Anyway back to main topic stuff that hasn't been mentioned:

Macross Period:
-Missing ships (Dead, Prometh., Zent Capital ships)
-"mini-Destroids" from "Broken Heart"

Masters Period:
-Carpenter's Fighter
-Pupil Pistol (something that seems to rememble the show version)
-Possibly the "mini-Bioroid Carrier" seen in "Volunteers" that the 15th where blasting away, and scale suggests they are more fighter sized version than carrier. IIRC might help with fleshout some of the Masters OCC descriptions in terms of hardware
-Masters internal hover vehicles (we've got Van, Troop Carrier, flatbed/pickup, and that open top security vehicle). I can't see why they would necessarily be restricted to ship use.

New Generation:
-Wolfe's Flashback Fighter
-Point K's "big brained" Alpha Battloid
-IINM Sue's Video Camera, and Scott's holopendant haven't been touched since 1E.
-how about the VF-X-7 and VF-X-5 precurssors to the later VFB-8 and MBR-10 mecha (if they are giving us essentially the VF-X-4 then why not these), maybe even the VR-01x/02x Cyclones.

ShadowLogan wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:Robotech master's organic replacement body parts, remote prosthetic bodies, and organic androids. (all of which are seen in the show but not detailed in the RPG)

That the Masters have essentially bio-system cybernetics/cloned body parts I do not dispute. However I'm not sure about the remote prosthetic bodies or even their "organic androids. The Masters do have the cybernetic technology to hijack a living being (Zor Prime prime example) and control their actions, so at best you only need a cybernetic component (IIRC Rifts has a similar component that can take control of cybernetic/bionic systems). Organic Androids IMHO don't exist, but are a misinturpretation of the Masters clones who have cybernetic implants (Masters only refer to their forces as clones, never as android) and the out of blue ("Half-Moon") notion they are fighting androids which they seem to want to keep going.

the remote prosthetic bodies show up later in that episode, when Dana and Louie end up in the master's psychological retraining center. Dana ends up talking to one guy who is in there, who's original body is suspended in a tank while he is being reprogrammed. the remote control aspect is shown when his original body is hit with gun fire sometime later, and the one dana was talking too suddenly reacts as if shot even though that body was untouched.

the organic androids (which in futurist and anime circles are referred to by the term 'bioroids' as in biological androids, and who's literary history includes things like blade runner, the aliens series, and numerous anime. they are manufactured humans using cultured tissues, sometimes with a degree of non-organic parts used for things like the brain. i avoid use of the bioroid term here to avoid confusion with the master's mecha) are referred to multiple times in the show. the pilot the ASC captures in an earlier battle is found to be a biological android, which why the ASC initially doesn't believe their opponents soldiers are thinking entities.

it seems extremely difficult to believe that the ASC would be so willfully ignorant of their opponents nature if they'd captured an actual full human tyrolian, so their android explanation seems likely to be a truthful one. they just failed to consider that their captive was not the typical.

Centaurs and the Cyclone variant from Class Reunion

Give me time and it'll all be statted up.

Cool...

Dairugger XV wrote:Those destroid/hovertank-like things from the Love and War, at least the first few pages where Dana starts recounting her parent's story to Bowie, again.

As far as I know that's a Tiger. At least that's what it was named in various places online. It's based on concept art from Mospeada.

the name is apparently based on translations of the GCM pre-production notes. and at least in those it's not a hovertank, it's basically just that show's (unused) equivalent of the Monster Destroid. one that basically just existed as a profile outline in a scale pic, and a rough sketch in the concept material.

but it does kinda have a hovertankish profile to it, so i could see it being one. or maybe it is just a "semi-hovertank", having hovertank like transport ability without fully transforming to a vehicle mode.

actually, thinking on the tiger design and hovertanks, why couldn't there be a dual cannon version of the VHT? replacing the tribarrel arm gun with another tank cannon.

glitterboy2098 wrote:the remote prosthetic bodies show up later in that episode, when Dana and Louie end up in the master's psychological retraining center. Dana ends up talking to one guy who is in there, who's original body is suspended in a tank while he is being reprogrammed. the remote control aspect is shown when his original body is hit with gun fire sometime later, and the one dana was talking too suddenly reacts as if shot even though that body was untouched.

Okay I was thinking of a different reference. Still this might be nothing more than examples of some type of psychic connection between clones (Musica mentions such a thing during the search for her sisters), and examples of the ability to move memories about (Zentraedi resizing involves cloning new bodies at different scales, so I don't see why the Masters can't do the same thing in transferring consciousness), possibly in real time, or even nothing more than a Neuro-Sensor in two clone bodies that allow one to control the other. So there may be no actual prosthetic body to detail.

glitterboy2098 wrote:the organic androids (which in futurist and anime circles are referred to by the term 'bioroids' as in biological androids, and who's literary history includes things like blade runner, the aliens series, and numerous anime. they are manufactured humans using cultured tissues, sometimes with a degree of non-organic parts used for things like the brain. i avoid use of the bioroid term here to avoid confusion with the master's mecha) are referred to multiple times in the show. the pilot the ASC captures in an earlier battle is found to be a biological android, which why the ASC initially doesn't believe their opponents soldiers are thinking entities.

I'm not convinced the Masters had organic androids though. The "Bioroid" reference is in many cases toward the mecha, or as an adjective to describe the pilot. IIRC the Masters don't refer to the Pilots as just bioroids or androids specifically, but rather as operators, pilots or clones (you would think they would have slipped up at least once in calling them androids but they don't as far as I can recall). To me the Masters are in a better position to tell us if the Bioroid Pilots are actually deserving of the term bio-android, or clones as opposed to the ASC.

However you do make me think about the "Zylonic mental probe" needing to be stated out (supposed to determine their fitness to become Bioroid Pilots mentioned in "Metal Fire"), along with "probe of the mentality" ("Star Dust", though this may be the same thing just a different aspect) that allowed the Masters to view a persons memories. The first is obvious for what might be necessary to alter a human into a bioroid pilot in game terms (they might recover like ZP, so it might be helpful), the second can be an invaluable intelligence tool so we might want to know what limits such a device has and any side effects.

The Anti-Pain Serum the Clones receive in one of the last few episodes might also be interesting since it allow them to take a MD blast to the chest (unless of course their suit was MDC which would explain it).

ShadowLogan wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:The Anti-Pain Serum the Clones receive in one of the last few episodes might also be interesting since it allow them to take a MD blast to the chest (unless of course their suit was MDC which would explain it).

Oh great so now the Robotech Masters are inter-galactic drug dealers and addicts!
They must have been snorting the spores of the Flower Of Life, I mean how else can you explain their bone headed moves juring the war.

Colonel Wolfe wrote:https://www.facebook.com/Robotechx/photos/pcb.748522041877686/748521365211087/?type=1

https://www.facebook.com/Robotechx/phot ... 39/?type=1

These are beautiful.... someone's 3-d version.

Can't get to the pictures for some reason.

Kargan3033 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:The Anti-Pain Serum the Clones receive in one of the last few episodes might also be interesting since it allow them to take a MD blast to the chest (unless of course their suit was MDC which would explain it).

Oh great so now the Robotech Masters are inter-galactic drug dealers and addicts!
They must have been snorting the spores of the Flower Of Life, I mean how else can you explain their bone headed moves juring the war.

That's actually in the show, and not the only incident of drug use by the Masters society. The Masters aren't the only ones to make bone headed moves in the war.

All RT ships that have not been stated up yet.

ShadowLogan wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

ShadowLogan wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:The Anti-Pain Serum the Clones receive in one of the last few episodes might also be interesting since it allow them to take a MD blast to the chest (unless of course their suit was MDC which would explain it).

Oh great so now the Robotech Masters are inter-galactic drug dealers and addicts!
They must have been snorting the spores of the Flower Of Life, I mean how else can you explain their bone headed moves juring the war.

That's actually in the show, and not the only incident of drug use by the Masters society. The Masters aren't the only ones to make bone headed moves in the war.

I know what you are saying, I wonder if Rand will ever get flashbacks after he got spored, could you imagen him freaking out in the middle of his's and Rooks *privet time*

As for bone headed moves I'm pretty sure that any half way competent person with the bare minimum of tactical and strategic sense could whip everyone in RT.