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Gangrel44 wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:Thank You Ed Woodward III. Thanks you and anyone who helped you to create your versions of Vampires for Palladium games. These are Vampires, real vampires.

Quick Review is in Order. Vampire Lords. YES. These are what I think of when talking about Vampires the Lords of the Undead. I Love how they are “Cursed” with Undeath. Master Vampires. YES. Again you hit the nail on the head of what a Master vampire should be. Common Vampires. Yes. More perfection of what vampires are really like. Though I refuse to use the term Secondary Vampires due to the connection to Rifts VI craptastic types of vampires.

SKILLS. I enjoy how you have made Vampires Playable Characters in regards to skills. Love it.
Age Points. As a means of gaining their powers. Brilliant. I love it.

Flawed Vampires. Pretty good write up actually. I look forward to using one as an NPC at some point in a future game.

Five Out of Five Stars guys. Perfection.

And what's even better the new rules allow you to make different types of vamps. I created a Nosferatu strain of vampires and used it in Nightbane and BTS and my players loved me for it. Rifter 49 vamps are the way to go.

TechnoGothic wrote:anyone else using them ? I know I'm replacing the Rifts vamps completely.

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:anyone else using them ? I know I'm replacing the Rifts vamps completely.

That is PRECISELY what I decided to do as soon as I finished reading the article. Not just Rifts either. Vampires in ALL PB games.

Jedrious wrote:

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:anyone else using them ? I know I'm replacing the Rifts vamps completely.

That is PRECISELY what I decided to do as soon as I finished reading the article. Not just Rifts either. Vampires in ALL PB games.

That and I'm also considering porting the Age point mechanism to all "effectively immortal" lifespaned supernatural beings, Nightbane, Nightlords, Night Princes, apparently Awakened Doppelgangers since we still have Attila the Hun's Doppelganger walking around. Would have to figure out more powers, and obviously some would require being restricted to certain types of supernatural beings.

Jedrious wrote:

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:anyone else using them ? I know I'm replacing the Rifts vamps completely.

That is PRECISELY what I decided to do as soon as I finished reading the article. Not just Rifts either. Vampires in ALL PB games.

That and I'm also considering porting the Age point mechanism to all "effectively immortal" lifespaned supernatural beings, Nightbane, Nightlords, Night Princes, apparently Awakened Doppelgangers since we still have Attila the Hun's Doppelganger walking around. Would have to figure out more powers, and obviously some would require being restricted to certain types of supernatural beings.

TechnoGothic wrote:

Jedrious wrote:

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:anyone else using them ? I know I'm replacing the Rifts vamps completely.

That is PRECISELY what I decided to do as soon as I finished reading the article. Not just Rifts either. Vampires in ALL PB games.

That and I'm also considering porting the Age point mechanism to all "effectively immortal" lifespaned supernatural beings, Nightbane, Nightlords, Night Princes, apparently Awakened Doppelgangers since we still have Attila the Hun's Doppelganger walking around. Would have to figure out more powers, and obviously some would require being restricted to certain types of supernatural beings.

Talents : Cost to purchase amount times 10 for the Age Points is fair.

G-Zombie wrote:Awesome stuff, A quick question though. In the article under the description of the dhampir it clearly states that in regards to age points the dhampir count as the type of vampire that created them. Then on page 74 it says the dhampir has fixed age points at 2D6x10+50 with an additional 10 points per century. I opt for the type of vampire, based on the vampirick which is created the same way as a dhampir and counts as the type of vampire in both sections. What do you think?

G-Zombie wrote:

Jedrious wrote:

G-Zombie wrote:Awesome stuff, A quick question though. In the article under the description of the dhampir it clearly states that in regards to age points the dhampir count as the type of vampire that created them. Then on page 74 it says the dhampir has fixed age points at 2D6x10+50 with an additional 10 points per century. I opt for the type of vampire, based on the vampirick which is created the same way as a dhampir and counts as the type of vampire in both sections. What do you think?

I believe the passage regarding Dhampirs counting the same as their progenitor is refering to how different powers work differently for the various categories of vampires, such as the variation in chance for defective slaves in the Enslavement power, as oppossed to refering to Age Point progression

Good point, but on page 66 it says "So a dhampir created by a shade will have very weak powers and FEW POINTS, while a dhampir created by a master vampire would have much more power." I don't know it just seems like an oversight no offense to Mr. Woodard because this is one of the best Rifter articles ever. I would just like to know how the rest of you play it.

Lord Nikon wrote:Finally I was able to get Rifter #49 and go through it, and I do have to say I like most of what I read. Seriously considering using them in my Rifts and Heroes games (the 2 Palladium tiltles I usually run). Before I put anything in a game though I like doing the "acid test" and try to check for problems.

One problem I had with the original Vamp's in Palladium is the originating class or O.C.C. abilities. My wife DESPERATELY wants to play her Burster character as a Vampire in my current Rifts Campaign. If I was to use the optional rules as set out in Rifter, would she keep her burster abilities? There's nothing saying she wouldn't. Personnaly I think it would be really interesting. Also, th age old question about D-Bee abilities. Do the Vamps in #49 keep them?

I'll be keeping the old VI idea in Rifts for a little bit more, however I'll be making the "New" vampires as presented in Rifter the True Vampires in the world and they will be waging a war against the Old VI's and eventually force the imposters out and take over.

Also, the idea of age points I really liked. Though I would probably tie it in more with xp level and not age. Also, the costs of some abilities are way too expensive. Resist Religious Symbol and Swim in Running Water come to mind. Considering most players would be only able to play a "Secondary Vampire", gaining only 5 age points every century or level, the player could play a 15th level vampire and would still need to "live" for 2500 years before he could swim accross a small river. That's nuts!

I'm considering halving all costs, or increasing the age points to allow my players to actually get an ability or two during their characters entire play time...

Lord Nikon wrote:Finally I was able to get Rifter #49 and go through it, and I do have to say I like most of what I read. Seriously considering using them in my Rifts and Heroes games (the 2 Palladium tiltles I usually run). Before I put anything in a game though I like doing the "acid test" and try to check for problems.

One problem I had with the original Vamp's in Palladium is the originating class or O.C.C. abilities. My wife DESPERATELY wants to play her Burster character as a Vampire in my current Rifts Campaign. If I was to use the optional rules as set out in Rifter, would she keep her burster abilities? There's nothing saying she wouldn't. Personnaly I think it would be really interesting. Also, th age old question about D-Bee abilities. Do the Vamps in #49 keep them?

I'll be keeping the old VI idea in Rifts for a little bit more, however I'll be making the "New" vampires as presented in Rifter the True Vampires in the world and they will be waging a war against the Old VI's and eventually force the imposters out and take over.

Also, the idea of age points I really liked. Though I would probably tie it in more with xp level and not age. Also, the costs of some abilities are way too expensive. Resist Religious Symbol and Swim in Running Water come to mind. Considering most players would be only able to play a "Secondary Vampire", gaining only 5 age points every century or level, the player could play a 15th level vampire and would still need to "live" for 2500 years before he could swim accross a small river. That's nuts!

I'm considering halving all costs, or increasing the age points to allow my players to actually get an ability or two during their characters entire play time...

TechnoGothic wrote:Thank You Ed Woodward III. Thanks you and anyone who helped you to create your versions of Vampires for Palladium games. These are Vampires, real vampires.

Quick Review is in Order. Vampire Lords. YES. These are what I think of when talking about Vampires the Lords of the Undead. I Love how they are “Cursed” with Undeath. Master Vampires. YES. Again you hit the nail on the head of what a Master vampire should be. Common Vampires. Yes. More perfection of what vampires are really like. Though I refuse to use the term Secondary Vampires due to the connection to Rifts VI craptastic types of vampires.

SKILLS. I enjoy how you have made Vampires Playable Characters in regards to skills. Love it.
Age Points. As a means of gaining their powers. Brilliant. I love it.

Flawed Vampires. Pretty good write up actually. I look forward to using one as an NPC at some point in a future game.

Five Out of Five Stars guys. Perfection.

TechnoGothic wrote:Heck yeah, the Rifter #49 Vampires are the best printed by pb yet,

dargo83 wrote:how do the age points work

TechnoGothic wrote:Heck yeah, the Rifter #49 Vampires are the best printed by pb yet,

MurderCityDisciple wrote:a 16 year old seeming metal head teenage girl stuck in 1986 created using Rifter #49. She's got the biker leather jacket, patch strewn jean vest with Judas Priest backpatch, tight jeans with machinegun bullet belt, Goodie comb sticking out of back pocket and a lot of 'tude. Inspired by Marceline the Vampire Queen.

jaymz wrote:Some have said they are like WoD but I don't know WoD to make the comparison. To me they come across as more "normal" vampires.

I use both version with the Vampire Intelligence as what it is, a godlike Alien Intelligence that creates 3 types of Vampires as followers/minions, and the Rifter 49 Vampires as "true" vampires since they are more of a "race" so to speak with much wider array of abilities available to them based on age.

I also have them essentially at war with each other while the rest of the world makes no distinction between the two and tries to kill all Vampires.