New Weapon Idea.

GaredBattlespike · Fri May 13, 2005 12:38 pm

A backpack-mounted Mini-Missile Launcher, that can fire vollies of missiles and not just one at a time. Say a fire rate of 1, 2 or volley of 4(6 maybe). A total ammo capacity of about 16 and has a weight of 35 pounds, an MDC of say 35 and a base cost of about 3-to-5 times the cost of the WI-23 Mini-Missile Launcher. I think it's time the weapon manufacturers finally realized that the infantry needs a volley-capable missile-system too! What do you think? Fair? Folly? A Maybe?

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:40 pm

I like but 16 mini misisssiles seem alot..
I'd got volleys of up to three and put 9 missiles in it..just make it easy to reload and maintain.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:56 pm

You could even make MOS out it..Like Smartgunners were in the Aliens movie..

The Galactus Kid · Fri May 13, 2005 1:25 pm

"JUST SHOOT THE BACK PACK!!!!"

Roll jup a new charater. See you next week.

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:50 pm

I think it's time the weapon manufacturers finally realized that the infantry needs a volley-capable missile-system too! What do you think?

I think that triax already did realize this.

they produce the TX-M4 Mini-missile launch pack. It's in the triax book and the GMG. IIRC it's about 30 lbs and carries 4 missiles, which can be fired all at once or one or two at a time.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:12 pm

Then make it a Infantry power armour. something like a mini spartan from robotech...

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:19 pm

Kalinda beat me to it.

There are also back pack mounted weapons for the Arkhons (South America 2)

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:25 pm

WHile were on topic of weapons..

That drill-bit grenade in erasure (the one used in the part..) is there a rofts equal..(MDC or otherwise..)

Other Ideas I thought about:

HE throwing knife (hits stays in goes BOOM)

A suit like the firebat...

Vibro-Throwing stars

railgun pistol..for those times when you need stealth and Death dealing thru armour

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:32 pm

That drill-bit grenade in erasure (the one used in the part..) is there a rofts equal..(MDC or otherwise..)

Been a while since I've seen that, but a drill needs to anchor to something stationary otherwise it jsut spins round and round. This one might take a bit of work

Other Ideas I thought about:

HE throwing knife (hits stays in goes BOOM)

Why not jsut use an impact fused grenade?

A suit like the firebat...

Enlighten me please

Vibro-Throwing stars

In rifts Japan i think

railgun pistol..for those times when you need stealth and Death dealing thru armour

A stealth weapon that creats a sonic boom? Why not just use a laser which has a minimal firing signature?

J. Lionheart · Unread post by **J. Lionheart** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:37 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:A suit like the firebat...

The Starcraft Firebat? Take some Plastic Man armor, paint it red, and add a flamethrower.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:44 pm

Well, now all but the drill bit grenade are things I should have known...

Okay then the drill bit greade was an egg shape and had the bits in it. after timer went they filled the rom with bits (they could have been nails..not sure now.)

as for the knife the handle could be replaced with a bomb...so someone WP knife can throw it..(probably already done..)

Thinyser · Unread post by **Thinyser** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:55 pm

I say 12 Missiles with vollies of 2,3, or 4 (you need four to get the "no dodge bonus") with a Weight of 50 lbs. Fully loaded & 26 lbs.empty. Launcher is a light MDC structure that uses a porous ceramic to dissipate heat from launch (similarly to today's Space Shuttle and reentry heat, though much stronger its MDC) though it is very brittle and will shatter if hit with more than 4 points of MDC impact damage but is immune to damage from plasma and heat of all sorts for up to 500 MDC of heat damage (within one minute it dissipates heat quickly) then the unspent rockets will blow in the tubes.

Make it disposable with different prepackaged missile set ups like this:

-all Plasma
-all Armor Piercing
-all Fragmentation
-Half & Half, Usually Plasma and Armor Piercing 50%, plasma/frag 25%, & AP/frag 25%
-4 of each

and no matter how you load it it cost 50,000 credits.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Sat May 14, 2005 12:26 pm

Thinyser wrote:I say 12 Missiles with vollies of 2,3, or 4 (you need four to get the "no dodge bonus") with a Weight of 50 lbs. Fully loaded & 26 lbs.empty. Launcher is a light MDC structure that uses a porous ceramic to dissipate heat from launch (similarly to today's Space Shuttle and reentry heat, though much stronger its MDC) though it is very brittle and will shatter if hit with more than 4 points of MDC impact damage but is immune to damage from plasma and heat of all sorts for up to 500 MDC of heat damage (within one minute it dissipates heat quickly) then the unspent rockets will blow in the tubes.

Make it disposable with different prepackaged missile set ups like this:

-all Plasma
-all Armor Piercing
-all Fragmentation
-Half & Half, Usually Plasma and Armor Piercing 50%, plasma/frag 25%, & AP/frag 25%
-4 of each

and no matter how you load it it cost 50,000 credits.

I take it is mounted on some armour to protect the wearer from the heat as well? or Am Iassuming to much here?

Thinyser · Unread post by **Thinyser** » Sat May 14, 2005 1:00 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:
Thinyser wrote:I say 12 Missiles with vollies of 2,3, or 4 (you need four to get the "no dodge bonus") with a Weight of 50 lbs. Fully loaded & 26 lbs.empty. Launcher is a light MDC structure that uses a porous ceramic to dissipate heat from launch (similarly to today's Space Shuttle and reentry heat, though much stronger its MDC) though it is very brittle and will shatter if hit with more than 4 points of MDC impact damage but is immune to damage from plasma and heat of all sorts for up to 500 MDC of heat damage (within one minute it dissipates heat quickly) then the unspent rockets will blow in the tubes.

Make it disposable with different prepackaged missile set ups like this:

-all Plasma
-all Armor Piercing
-all Fragmentation
-Half & Half, Usually Plasma and Armor Piercing 50%, plasma/frag 25%, & AP/frag 25%
-4 of each

and no matter how you load it it cost 50,000 credits.

I take it is mounted on some armour to protect the wearer from the heat as well? or Am Iassuming to much here?

Good asumption but not necessarly a MUST to wear armor...and its not mounted to anything.

If you are an MDC Creature then you have no worries as the propellent in the mini missiles is only poduces SDC heat (in my opinion).

The pack would certainly be desinged to direct the exaust gas away from the wearer though as the rocket leaves the top it would be right by the head of the wearer and as such you would probably take a bit of SDC fire damage if you werent wearing a helmet of some sort...unless there was a thin piece of flexible MDC plastic in the top of the pack that one could pull up over their head and down in front to cover their neck/head/face.

Though who in their right mind would run around a battlefield without armor on?!?!

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Sat May 14, 2005 2:05 pm

Though who in their right mind would run around a battlefield without armor on?!?!

Newbs who think Psychic body shield is armour?

Actually I'd be in a suit designed for the pack..It holds missiles and enhances stregth to carry the pack. Maybe add a radar system and com suite...but that just me.

Thinyser · Unread post by **Thinyser** » Sat May 14, 2005 2:19 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:
Though who in their right mind would run around a battlefield without armor on?!?!

Newbs who think Psychic body shield is armour?

Actually I'd be in a suit designed for the pack..It holds missiles and enhances stregth to carry the pack. Maybe add a radar system and com suite...but that just me.

makes it alot more expensive than just 50k for the pack

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Sat May 14, 2005 2:22 pm

Make them seperate items...the armour can go solo as a com-suite and mobile Radar.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Sun May 15, 2005 1:13 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:
Okay then the drill bit greade was an egg shape and had the bits in it. after timer went they filled the rom with bits (they could have been nails..not sure now.)

Sounds like a rather ineficcient home made fragmentation device to me

Rimmerdal wrote:as for the knife the handle could be replaced with a bomb...so someone WP knife can throw it..(probably already done..)

And how is this better than a grenade?

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Sun May 15, 2005 1:40 pm

Simple, he has to crouch or base himself before firing...

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Sun May 15, 2005 2:05 pm

The Drill bit Grenade:
Never said it was perfect.....but it is quieter than a granade..

The Knife bomb:
someone with a WP knife can use with bonuses and it looks like a knife, not a grenade..!

Nekira Sudacne · Sun May 15, 2005 2:40 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:WHile were on topic of weapons..

That drill-bit grenade in erasure (the one used in the part..) is there a rofts equal..(MDC or otherwise..)

Other Ideas I thought about:

HE throwing knife (hits stays in goes BOOM)

A suit like the firebat...

Vibro-Throwing stars

railgun pistol..for those times when you need stealth and Death dealing thru armour

vibro throwing stars are in Rifts Japan. Rail GunPistols are in Phase World.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Sun May 15, 2005 2:44 pm

Rail GunPistols

Really, wow! this game has everything a Player could want except for chick magnetism.....that is.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:04 pm

Okay, how would it be quieter? Last time I checked a drill bit was heavier than a conventional grenade fragment, requiring much more power to propell at a wounding velocity. A more powerful explosion would also be a louder explosion.

And how would you get enough drill bits into the grenade to get a decent fragmentation density to give you good odds of wounding without making it too heavy to throw? Most frag grenades I know of have at least 100 pre-formed fragments.

Blight · Unread post by **Blight** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:16 pm

Kreuzritter Puuh wrote:Well maybe a refrig it was but here is a demonstration of a grenade vs a Washing Machine which while slightly less massy then a refrig gives the idea of a grenade going off withen a few feet of someone.

You should see one go off in a car trunk

The enclosed space amplifies the explosion by compresion of expanding gasses. Sadly there not nearly as impressive out in the open.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:27 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:WHile were on topic of weapons..

That drill-bit grenade in erasure (the one used in the part..) is there a rofts equal..(MDC or otherwise..)

Took me a second to realize you were talking about the grenade from Eraser.

It's called a 'Bouncing Betty', although the drill bit part I'm sure is probably a Hollywood variant. Not sure if there's an equivalent in RIFTS.

Don't know if this has been answered further down the thread or not.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:30 pm

Rimmerdal wrote:
Rail GunPistols

Really, wow! this game has everything a Player could want except for chick magnetism.....that is.

Erm... I met (re-met, really) my current girlfriend during a RIFTS game...

"Two words, Tick: Chick...Magnet..." - Die Fledermaus

Blight · Unread post by **Blight** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:41 pm

Danger wrote:
Rimmerdal wrote:
Rail GunPistols

Really, wow! this game has everything a Player could want except for chick magnetism.....that is.

Erm... I met (re-met, really) my current girlfriend during a RIFTS game...

"Two words, Tick: Chick...Magnet..." - Die Fledermaus

Go man

my wife games also.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:59 pm

The grenade cold use nanobot and miniturized gear...for higher grade variant...Bouncing betty's, meaner tougher big sister.