Borgs P.S.x20 or P.S.x50

[Nekira Sudacne]

*20. only supernatural PS has *50

[Tinker Dragoon]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

[Thinyser]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

Not that I doubt you but book and page # on this one?

[Mike Taylor]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

Is this in the main book? Borgs are pretty supernatural as there bodes are well beyond natural forces.

Rifts Game Master Guide has the strength scales for normal, cyborg, robotic, and supernatural strengths.

[Guest]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

Is this in the main book? Borgs are pretty supernatural as there bodes are well beyond natural forces.

A word to the wise folks, keep your responses to this on topic, within the rules, and civil.

[Mike Taylor]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

Not that I doubt you but book and page # on this one?

Triax and the NGR has two VX-series cyborgs with robotic strength as well as several robot types that can be controlled by an implanted human brain.

[Tinker Dragoon]

Looks like Mike beat me to it.

The RGMG and Bionics Sourcebook define a Cyborg's strength as "Augmented" which is in the range of Juicers, Crazies, Exoskeletons (but not true Power Armor), and mutants with greater-than normal strength. High P.S. scores in this range provide the ability to inflict Mega Damage with a Power Punch, but weight capacities are the same as a strong human unless specifically stated otherwise (as with the Juicer and Crazy).

The Robotic strength upgrade for cyborgs can be found on page 103 of the Bionics Sourcebook, and I believe it is also found in Warlords of Russia.

[Comrade Corsarius]

It's in Warlords, all right.

Funny you should mention it, though. In the flavour text in Mercenaries, it describes a borg called 'crunch' that belongs to Larsen's Brigade tearing a mounted weapon quite easily off the arm of a Terrain Hopper. While it's flavour text, according to the rules this would take quite some time, or even be impossible (then again, it was attatched in a fairly ramshackle way, or so it seems).

I'd like to give borgs the big supernatural strength rating, but I tend to like being 'book legal', even when it doesn't entirely make sense.

[finn69]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

Is this in the main book? Borgs are pretty supernatural as there bodes are well beyond natural forces.

A word to the wise folks, keep your responses to this on topic, within the rules, and civil.

did i miss something? who said anything off topic or uncivil or against the rules?

[Nekira Sudacne]

By default, most cyborgs have the same weight capacity as a normal human being of equivalent strength, but full conversion and brain transplant cyborgs can purchase robotic strength, allowing them to carry 25 times their PS score in pounds.

Is this in the main book? Borgs are pretty supernatural as there bodes are well beyond natural forces.

A word to the wise folks, keep your responses to this on topic, within the rules, and civil.

did i miss something? who said anything off topic or uncivil or against the rules?

likely he did and the Moderator deleted it.

[Nekira Sudacne]

It's in Warlords, all right.

Funny you should mention it, though. In the flavour text in Mercenaries, it describes a borg called 'crunch' that belongs to Larsen's Brigade tearing a mounted weapon quite easily off the arm of a Terrain Hopper. While it's flavour text, according to the rules this would take quite some time, or even be impossible (then again, it was attatched in a fairly ramshackle way, or so it seems).

I'd like to give borgs the big supernatural strength rating, but I tend to like being 'book legal', even when it doesn't entirely make sense.

it was a crude SDC weld. it was possible, and wasn't instantanious.

[Killer Cyborg]

It never made sense for Borgs to be weaker than bots.
A full conversion Borg is 90% mechanical replacement... that 10% shouldn't make any difference in strength compared to a robot.

[finn69]

It never made sense for Borgs to be weaker than bots.
A full conversion Borg is 90% mechanical replacement... that 10% shouldn't make any difference in strength compared to a robot.

too true

[Dead Boy]

Do borgs follow the P.S.x20 or P.S.x50 rule? I've been using the x50 rule as it fits there decripion, but now I'm not sure. I'm sure it's in the book but I can't find it.

Though it should be more generous, by the book it's...
Exceptional Human / Cybernetic / Bionic = X20
Robotic (including bots, power armor, & some borgs) = X25
Super Natural = X50
Juicers (with non-supernatural PS) = X80

Why they made Juicers the strongest out there, I have no clue.

[Dr. Doom III]

It never made sense for Borgs to be weaker than bots.
A full conversion Borg is 90% mechanical replacement... that 10% shouldn't make any difference in strength compared to a robot.

It's all about size.
Most Borgs just aren't big enough for Robotic Strength.

[Killer Cyborg]

It never made sense for Borgs to be weaker than bots.
A full conversion Borg is 90% mechanical replacement... that 10% shouldn't make any difference in strength compared to a robot.

It's all about size.
Most Borgs just aren't big enough for Robotic Strength.

I'd buy that, if skelebots and other small robots didn't have robotic strength.

[Gomen_Nagai]

actually You're all wrong.
human/Cybernetic/PS Exceptional ps is at x 20
unextraordinary /Biosystems is at PS x 10

Bionic/Augmented PS is at x 40

Robotic and Supernatural PS are at x 50.
in HU2, Bionics all have Extraordinary PS at x 100 ..

[Nekira Sudacne]

It never made sense for Borgs to be weaker than bots.
A full conversion Borg is 90% mechanical replacement... that 10% shouldn't make any difference in strength compared to a robot.

It's all about size.
Most Borgs just aren't big enough for Robotic Strength.

Standard full conversion borg is 8 feet tall.

same as a SAMAS.

and a SAMAS is HOLLOW.

[Rimmer]

It never made sense for Borgs to be weaker than bots.
A full conversion Borg is 90% mechanical replacement... that 10% shouldn't make any difference in strength compared to a robot.

It's all about size.
Most Borgs just aren't big enough for Robotic Strength.

Standard full conversion borg is 8 feet tall.

same as a SAMAS.

and a SAMAS is HOLLOW.

Yes well a samas may well be hollow, but unfortunatly i think yoiu have forgotten the most important reason why they have robotic strength and borgs don't, which is........................................................................



Somebody want to help me with this..................................................



Anyone ?.........................................................................................




Sod it, I got nothing here......................................................................





I'm going to have to agree with NS here and leave the arguements to brainier people

[Blight]

Look at borge pic in the n-gage rifts game, no way by the rules he could lift that slab. oh he looks like he could, but by the rule he can't . Hmmm...
what would be the robotic PS of a 12 ton fork lift?

[Tinker Dragoon]

actually You're all wrong.
human/Cybernetic/PS Exceptional ps is at x 20
unextraordinary /Biosystems is at PS x 10

Bionic/Augmented PS is at x 40

Robotic and Supernatural PS are at x 50.
in HU2, Bionics all have Extraordinary PS at x 100 ..

Nope. Better go back and read the books. Bionic strength has no listed weight capacity, only power punch damage. PSx40 is only for Crazies and other beings that can "carry and lift two times more than a normal person of equivalent strength and endurance." Robotic and Supernatural P.S. are not the same and have never been listed as such. The RGMG specifically gives Robotic P.S. as x25, while the RMB and RGMG both give Supernatural as x50.

Heroes Unlimited uses vastly different weight capacities than Rifts for every strength type, and also never specifically states what bionic strength is equal to, other than a vague note on page 113: "A cyborg can not lift half a ton over his head just because his arm has exceptional strength...". From the half-ton reference one assumes that cyborgs have greater than human strength, but whether it is Extraordinary or Superhuman, or Supernatural can not be determined.

what would be the robotic PS of a 12 ton fork lift?

960 in Rifts, 80 in HU, assuming that by 12 tons you mean the lifting capacity of said forklift.