say652 wrote:I if I was Gming the game, I would houserule that Negate Magic or Anti Magic cloud would forcibly transform them back to human/normal form.
Save vs magic +4 and forced transformations last for 1D6 melees.
One of the first abilities nightbane have are "immune to transformation effects" they can't be forced to transform, detransform or change shape (except by nightbane talents and a certain ability, and even then that is limited to forcing the facade to become the morphus, and they get a rather hefty saving throw).
As for negating talents, that is prety vague, you can dispell the set in motion effects of spell like talents (a talent that copies a magical enchantment or marks an object might be dispellable by a non-bane power), hence why some listed takents have saves and what not. I vaguly recall a rifter or other unnoficialish source having a character or class/power that specifically negates supernatural (magical) abilities.
But in general nightbane powers are "innate" (think why negate super abilities does not negate aliens who have suoer power genetically. Anti-magic cloud doesn't bother dragons, etc.) and the morphus and its abilities are the true form.
At best you could rule that such spells "force the bane out of the cloud" and prevent it from entering if it fails its save. Dispels only removing lasting effects (that offer a save vs magic) that the nightbane does nit have to concentrate or spend ppe to maintain.
I am pretty sure you can shield yourself from some kinds of nightbane magical talents and nightlord abilities if you are venturing into rifts and palladium fantasy with these characters. But that would just amount to "no effect" on the shielded object/character.
Incidently the ability that forces bane and other creatures to show their true form is a nightbane talent I believe. They ARE supposed to be conditionally strong after all.
I don't have my books on me so i cant give you the actual page number, but the start of the nightbane section up through the talents mentions most of this in a few words here and there.