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Heroes Unlimited Dragon & Gods
So Rifts has their Conversion Book 2, Palladium Fantasy has its D&G.
Gods (and to a lesser part Dragons....a much lesser part, though the supernatural applies a lot) Have been a staple of the Super Hero genre for almost as long as there has been a super hero genre.
Obviously we can just borrow from the other two books at will for our gaming needs.
But instead of that, how about a different slant. How about building the various Gods of Earthly myth under the (slightly bent) rules of HU Power Categories?
Gods (and to a lesser part Dragons....a much lesser part, though the supernatural applies a lot) Have been a staple of the Super Hero genre for almost as long as there has been a super hero genre.
Obviously we can just borrow from the other two books at will for our gaming needs.
But instead of that, how about a different slant. How about building the various Gods of Earthly myth under the (slightly bent) rules of HU Power Categories?
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Re: Heroes Unlimited Dragon & Gods
Mephisto wrote:Marrowlight wrote:So Rifts has their Conversion Book 2, Palladium Fantasy has its D&G.
Gods (and to a lesser part Dragons....a much lesser part, though the supernatural applies a lot) Have been a staple of the Super Hero genre for almost as long as there has been a super hero genre.
Obviously we can just borrow from the other two books at will for our gaming needs.
But instead of that, how about a different slant. How about building the various Gods of Earthly myth under the (slightly bent) rules of HU Power Categories?
Immortal qualifies as a power category. But should there be a Demon Category, a Deevil Category, a Champion category (in the history of Samson, Achilles, Sigurd, etc?), a Saint category, etc. What do you have in mind, and how far to do you want to go with it?
More along the lines of Hephaestus being an ancient Hardware or perhaps Super-Invention character. Thor with his mystical weapon category. stuff like that.
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Re: Heroes Unlimited Dragon & Gods
Mephisto wrote:Marrowlight wrote:Mephisto wrote:Marrowlight wrote:So Rifts has their Conversion Book 2, Palladium Fantasy has its D&G.
Gods (and to a lesser part Dragons....a much lesser part, though the supernatural applies a lot) Have been a staple of the Super Hero genre for almost as long as there has been a super hero genre.
Obviously we can just borrow from the other two books at will for our gaming needs.
But instead of that, how about a different slant. How about building the various Gods of Earthly myth under the (slightly bent) rules of HU Power Categories?
Immortal qualifies as a power category. But should there be a Demon Category, a Deevil Category, a Champion category (in the history of Samson, Achilles, Sigurd, etc?), a Saint category, etc. What do you have in mind, and how far to do you want to go with it?
More along the lines of Hephaestus being an ancient Hardware or perhaps Super-Invention character. Thor with his mystical weapon category. stuff like that.
Oh so you want specific gods done in HU Power Format, as opposed to Power Categories that allow the creation of diefic-level characters?
Mm, could be fun(ny)
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I borrow a lot from the other Palladium Books, in terms of gods, demons, alien intelligences, godlings, demigods, etc.
I try to keep a level of uniformity and consistancy (it's supposed to be a Megaverse after all) so I would prefer that whether you are in PFRPG, HUII, Rifts, or Phase World, a demi-god is a demi-god is a demi-god. Same stats, same abilities, etc.
Same thing for Dragons: while I like using them for HU, I would prefer that they not follow a different template or have differing abilities than in other settings. This especially makes it easier to port a dragon character from HU to PFRPG for example, or Rifts, or whereever.
Currently, I am working on an article for the Rifter on characters of a cosmic god-like nature. I plan on covering gods, demi-gods, The Titans of Myth, and cosmic god-like entities. The article will include templates for gods, and I want to tie-in to The Megaverse Builder, an excellent Palladium source book (okay, it's actually a Dimension Book) by Carl Gleba.
I try to keep a level of uniformity and consistancy (it's supposed to be a Megaverse after all) so I would prefer that whether you are in PFRPG, HUII, Rifts, or Phase World, a demi-god is a demi-god is a demi-god. Same stats, same abilities, etc.
Same thing for Dragons: while I like using them for HU, I would prefer that they not follow a different template or have differing abilities than in other settings. This especially makes it easier to port a dragon character from HU to PFRPG for example, or Rifts, or whereever.
Currently, I am working on an article for the Rifter on characters of a cosmic god-like nature. I plan on covering gods, demi-gods, The Titans of Myth, and cosmic god-like entities. The article will include templates for gods, and I want to tie-in to The Megaverse Builder, an excellent Palladium source book (okay, it's actually a Dimension Book) by Carl Gleba.
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ages past i did a campeign kinda around this idea...
a "return of the old gods" was happening and the heroes trying to stop it...
sadly, they only ever met a couple of the old "gods"
really, lookin at it, there wasn't a whole lot of reason to make once great gods anything more than just regular heroes at the power levels...
the "gods" they encountered included
Thor - Mystic Weapon (of course) - Ran it that "Thor" was a title imbued by a secret society upon their champion... as was
Modi - Mystic Item (Gauntlets with specific gems + gem powers)
and
Odin - Mystic Trainin
the campeign ended before others developed...
in a later campeign (mostly a different group) the story continued in another city with the attempted return of the Egyptian "gods", or at least creatures taking on their names..
alas, none of the second group's "gods" shared traits with their predecessors aside from appearances for the most par... so they weren't really noteworthy aside from the PC who was an Experiment character that thought he hosted the spirits of both a demon and an angel (and thus had only a couple of powers in each form, but also had three distinct thought patterns and thus three skill sets...)
but that was only amusing 'cause he'd hold councels with himself (and was effectively "team leader" ...)
a "return of the old gods" was happening and the heroes trying to stop it...
sadly, they only ever met a couple of the old "gods"
really, lookin at it, there wasn't a whole lot of reason to make once great gods anything more than just regular heroes at the power levels...
the "gods" they encountered included
Thor - Mystic Weapon (of course) - Ran it that "Thor" was a title imbued by a secret society upon their champion... as was
Modi - Mystic Item (Gauntlets with specific gems + gem powers)
and
Odin - Mystic Trainin
the campeign ended before others developed...
in a later campeign (mostly a different group) the story continued in another city with the attempted return of the Egyptian "gods", or at least creatures taking on their names..
alas, none of the second group's "gods" shared traits with their predecessors aside from appearances for the most par... so they weren't really noteworthy aside from the PC who was an Experiment character that thought he hosted the spirits of both a demon and an angel (and thus had only a couple of powers in each form, but also had three distinct thought patterns and thus three skill sets...)
but that was only amusing 'cause he'd hold councels with himself (and was effectively "team leader" ...)
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Hey, Sentinel! About your Rifter article!
This is for Sentinel: I am very interested in your Rifter article on creating cosmic-like beings, gods, etc. I've been thinking about creating an Avatar out of Powers Unlimited Two for an Olympian god not mentioned in Pantheons of the Megaverse, specifically, Thanatos, Greek God of Death. If you could please pm me some ideas on how to do this, I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm anxiously waiting for Powers Unlimited Three to come out! I also have the wonderful Megaverse Builder book.
I'm anxiously waiting for Powers Unlimited Three to come out! I also have the wonderful Megaverse Builder book.
I have mixed feelings on this issue. I agree with Sentinel that specific gods should be consistant between all the various lines put out by Palladium. On the other hand, the idea of imposters, avatars, demingods and representatives of the gods would be wonderful. Having a demigod or godling who was the son of Hephaestus, used his name, but was a Immortal Super Inventor or Hardware character would work well. Maybe there is a affilated race that is mistaken for gods, or even specific gods similar to the Eternals and Olympians in Marvel.
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RockJock wrote:I have mixed feelings on this issue. I agree with Sentinel that specific gods should be consistant between all the various lines put out by Palladium. On the other hand, the idea of imposters, avatars, demingods and representatives of the gods would be wonderful. Having a demigod or godling who was the son of Hephaestus, used his name, but was a Immortal Super Inventor or Hardware character would work well. Maybe there is a affilated race that is mistaken for gods, or even specific gods similar to the Eternals and Olympians in Marvel.
I feel the same way about keeping the gods who have been given stats consistent between all the various Palladium lines. If I have a god intervene in an adventure I usually have them do it through an avatar (usually created using the Godling R.C.C. from Pantheons, or the new category from PU2). I my games the gods don't manifest in an HU2 dimension either because of the lack of high P.P.E. levels or followers makes it difficult, or the risk is to great for them to appear in their full glory. I also think that if Nightlords, and Supernatural Intelligences can splinter their life sources to create avatars then some of the more powerful deities should be able to do the same thing, even though it is not mentioned anywere I can find that they can do so.
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JTwig wrote:I also think that if Nightlords, and Supernatural Intelligences can splinter their life sources to create avatars then some of the more powerful deities should be able to do the same thing, even though it is not mentioned anywere I can find that they can do so.
Actually, the inability to create life essence fragments is one of the prime differences between gods and alien intelligences. If a "god" can create essence fragments, it's not really a god, but an alien intelligence worshipped as a deity.
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When it comes to gods featured in mythology, I find that I prefer to use their mythological history as is.
From their starting point in my campaign, I can take liberties, but if I use Thor, I will use Sif, and both his sons, Magni and Modi, and anything else from Norse mythology.
If I want a unique thunder god, I'll create one.
First though, I need a template to do that, and one doesn't exist.
It has been suggested that one simply use Alien Intelligences, but gods aren't AIs, so that isn't of much use.
Dragons and Gods (PFRPG) is a nice half-step, but it isn't specific enough by half. Deific powers are great though.
What I am working on will definitively allow a GM to determine the gods stats, his skill orientation, how many OCCs he or she may possess, and what their focus is (IE: God of Strength, God Of Thunder, God of Darkness, god of Sock-Darning, etc) and include relevant bonuses for those orientations and focuses (foci). Certain gods may possess special powers and I want to quantify those as well.
I want to make it possible to create a god who thrives on worship, as well as comic-book gods like Thor who don't require worshipers to sustain their power.
My source material in this includes over three-dozen texts on world mythologies (including Christianity), the internet, as well as a wealth of Thor, Sandman, Wonder Woman, and other comics focusing on mythology. And, a large grain of salt.
I have read until my eyeballs bled, washed them, and then resumed reading.
From their starting point in my campaign, I can take liberties, but if I use Thor, I will use Sif, and both his sons, Magni and Modi, and anything else from Norse mythology.
If I want a unique thunder god, I'll create one.
First though, I need a template to do that, and one doesn't exist.
It has been suggested that one simply use Alien Intelligences, but gods aren't AIs, so that isn't of much use.
Dragons and Gods (PFRPG) is a nice half-step, but it isn't specific enough by half. Deific powers are great though.
What I am working on will definitively allow a GM to determine the gods stats, his skill orientation, how many OCCs he or she may possess, and what their focus is (IE: God of Strength, God Of Thunder, God of Darkness, god of Sock-Darning, etc) and include relevant bonuses for those orientations and focuses (foci). Certain gods may possess special powers and I want to quantify those as well.
I want to make it possible to create a god who thrives on worship, as well as comic-book gods like Thor who don't require worshipers to sustain their power.
My source material in this includes over three-dozen texts on world mythologies (including Christianity), the internet, as well as a wealth of Thor, Sandman, Wonder Woman, and other comics focusing on mythology. And, a large grain of salt.
I have read until my eyeballs bled, washed them, and then resumed reading.
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Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:Actually, the inability to create life essence fragments is one of the prime differences between gods and alien intelligences. If a "god" can create essence fragments, it's not really a god, but an alien intelligence worshipped as a deity.
Is that a Palladium thing, I've never seen that before. I don't have Dragons & Gods is that from that book. Mythology is full of deities that send an avatar to aid their followers.
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While the gods of Palladium do not appear to be able to create essence fragments, PUII gives us the Avatar of a god (Immortal class), so yes, gods can have extensions of themselves.
when you get right down to it, Sentinel's right.~Uncle Servo.
Sentinel. you'll be always loved by the German Princess.~Nelly
That's twice in one day Sentinel has cleaned up my mess.~The Galactus Kid.
That's the best place to start. Otherwise, listen to Sentinel~lather
Listen to the Sentinel...he speaks truth.~ Shadyslug
Sentinel you have the biggest sig I've ever seen~Natasha
Sentinel. you'll be always loved by the German Princess.~Nelly
That's twice in one day Sentinel has cleaned up my mess.~The Galactus Kid.
That's the best place to start. Otherwise, listen to Sentinel~lather
Listen to the Sentinel...he speaks truth.~ Shadyslug
Sentinel you have the biggest sig I've ever seen~Natasha
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Sentinel wrote:While the gods of Palladium do not appear to be able to create essence fragments, PUII gives us the Avatar of a god (Immortal class), so yes, gods can have extensions of themselves.
Palladiums D&G have Protodeific abilities common to all true gods(though not all gods can do them all and some gods are better at one or two than others are).
In that book the deities have descriptions of AVatars, though some rarely send them.
Sao, yes, True Gods can send Avatars out.
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Ranger wrote:Personnaly I would rather Palladium come up with a god OCC/power catagory. Not godling or demi-god but that of a full fledged god. That way I can create my own and then also let a certian friend correct the gods in the other books to what they are in myth versus what KS found on a google search. Not that KS did a bad job, just that a certian poster here (SENTINEL, I am looking at you) keeps saying that they are not according to myth.
Well, in both KS and Sentinel's defences, it depends on which version of a God/ess you are speaking of.
Look up the Titan Nemesis for a good example.
For another thing, some tales of two different gods/pantheons were mixed and merged into one god or pantheon.
The greek/Roman gods are a good example of this.
I was always taught that the Romans jsut changed the Greek Gods names and used/stole them form the greeks.
In reality they already had their own similar gods and just absorbed the more interesting greek myth's about them.
Then there are the Teutonic/Norse gods....
..is Odin the Allfather or is Tyr the head of the gods?
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Sir_Spirit wrote:Sentinel wrote:While the gods of Palladium do not appear to be able to create essence fragments, PUII gives us the Avatar of a god (Immortal class), so yes, gods can have extensions of themselves.
Palladiums D&G have Protodeific abilities common to all true gods(though not all gods can do them all and some gods are better at one or two than others are).
In that book the deities have descriptions of AVatars, though some rarely send them.
Sao, yes, True Gods can send Avatars out.
I agree with you, but there are those who would say that because Dragons and Gods is a PFRPG book and not an HU book, the standards aren't applicable.
Personally, I try to make the Megaverse live up to it's name, and make everything as compatible as possible.
Between the two examples however, one from D&G and the other from PUII, I'd say that gives the gods their avatars if they want them.
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That's the best place to start. Otherwise, listen to Sentinel~lather
Listen to the Sentinel...he speaks truth.~ Shadyslug
Sentinel you have the biggest sig I've ever seen~Natasha
Sentinel. you'll be always loved by the German Princess.~Nelly
That's twice in one day Sentinel has cleaned up my mess.~The Galactus Kid.
That's the best place to start. Otherwise, listen to Sentinel~lather
Listen to the Sentinel...he speaks truth.~ Shadyslug
Sentinel you have the biggest sig I've ever seen~Natasha