F-14S Supercat File complete

[Tim Wing]

F-14s in the UN Spacy and UEDF? Sure. Why not!

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[taalismn]

F-14s in the UN Spacy and UEDF? Sure. Why not!

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Didn't spot this earlier, but hell yes, I can see this.

[Arnie100]

Tim, I still wanna see your versions of the VF-4 and VA-3 variable fighters.

[Alpha 11]

Cool.

[Tim Wing]

Oh, both the VA-3 and VF-4 are in the works. The VA-3, in my view, will be a surface Navy only Veritech. As for the VF-4: can you say most complex and expensive Veritech ever? So much so that its production was cut short, and it lasted in service for only ten or so years... maybe less?

[jaymz]

Nice work Tim

[glitterboy2098]

a good summary of the real world F-14 history and service:
http://www.airvectors.net/avtomcat.html

[BookWyrm]

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

[jedi078]

a good summary of the real world F-14 history and service:
http://www.airvectors.net/avtomcat.html

Thanks for the link.....it seems like the Iranian Air Force put the F-14 to good use.

In may Roboech universe a lot of military aircraft were given 'robotechnology' upgrades after the SDF-1's disappearance due to the fears of an alien invasion.

[ShadowLogan]

i totally approve. Personaly i am hoping someone does this for the Raptor as well...maybe even something official as a replacement for the Shadow Alphas?

In all likely hood though the F-22 Raptor doesn't exist in RT. The Global War that starts in 1989 might cause the project to be canceled/shelved instead of selected in April of 1991 (where it spends about a decade in development), or it might even push for the YF-23 to be selected instead.

[glitterboy2098]

actually it does. it appear in the canon comic "From the stars", issue 3, page 1.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ ... 56e039.jpg

and it isn't the YF-22, it is a full blown production model F-22.

so evidently they did build it, and probably used it. i suspect that they didn't build many (probably about the same # as they did in real life)

[Tim Wing]

The inclusion of the F-22 in the canon comics always bugged me. In the Robotech universe, we never see the move to stealth as a design requirement that we see in the real world. Not a single design from the series has any stealth like attributes... except maybe the F-110 Falcon II, and its tall vertical tail surface ruins any stealth attributes it would have from the side.

I was going to kinda use this site as a what if page for mid eighties experimental aircraft designs. So, expect to see the F-16XL, F-15 STOL variant, the F-20 Tigershark, and others.

As for the F-22... The picture in the comic isn't exactly "pure" F-22... I might draw it up as a non-stealthy F-22. Or I might go with some of the pre YF-22 and YF-23. I'm partial to Rockwell's design concept. Also, it would be fitting if Rockwell ended up being the builder of the USAF's new fighter since they (or Stonewell) were the prime contractors for the VF-1 Valkyrie.

http://notreally.info/transport/planes/ ... mg//atfpnt

[ShadowLogan]

The inclusion of the F-22 in the canon comics always bugged me. In the Robotech universe, we never see the move to stealth as a design requirement that we see in the real world. Not a single design from the series has any stealth like attributes... except maybe the F-110 Falcon II, and its tall vertical tail surface ruins any stealth attributes it would have from the side.

Well this is a product of the early/mid-80s where Stealth wasn't a driving factor in designs. Projections by the military call for passive stealth like on the F-22 and F-35 to lose their effectiveness w/n the life span of the design though, requiring them to adopt active stealth. Also it might resemble an F-22, but it may not be as stealthy, instead looking at it for other advanced attributes (like maneuvering, super cruise, etc).

The F-110 though might be able to make up for it w/o Radar Absorbant Material, or it can operate in two states: stealthy (remove the tail) and non-stealthy (install the tail). Also the Alpha fighter can make one think of the YF-23 design in some respects.

actually it does. it appear in the canon comic "From the stars", issue 3, page 1.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ ... 56e039.jpg

and it isn't the YF-22, it is a full blown production model F-22.

so evidently they did build it, and probably used it. i suspect that they didn't build many (probably about the same # as they did in real life)

Eh, while it might not be the YF-22, it could still be one of the (flyable) EMD units. It doesn't prove it entered production as its at an air show.

[Seto Kaiba]

yeah i think if they did bring a veritech in for stealth it would have to be a human project to replace the Shadow tech that was sabatoged by Haydonite...and for that i could totally see the Raptor being the base.

Er... why would they turn to what would, by then, be a forty year-old, hopelessly obsolete pre-robotechnology conventional jet fighter? With the Invid out of the picture, the Earth Forces don't have any real compulsion to pursue passive or active stealth on their fighter designs. The whole reason for the Shadow Fighter and all the ships using shadow devices for active stealth was to counter the Invid protoculture sensors.

After the Haydonite betrayal, their biggest concerns are 1. disposing of the faulty shadow technology systems and 2. finding ways to reliably detect shadow-stealthed Haydonite ships and mecha. There's no advantage in returning to passively radar-stealthy designs when the enemy's already shown they're more than able to spot ships and fighters protected by the best radar countermeasures in human history.

Of course, there's another reason that Robotech won't be introducing a new VF based on the F-22 at any point... let's just say the original creators have "been there, done that" about twenty years back and ripping off their work is the last thing Harmony Gold wants to be seen doing.

EDIT: Okay, technically it's more like the original creators have done it three times in total... here are the other two: the YF-24 Evolution and the YF-30 Chronos.

[Tim Wing]

Added a Reference Notes section to the F-14 file. I'll be going back and adding these to all my old posts.

http://www.robotechillustrated.com/un-s ... 14-tomcat/