Mack wrote:Couple things to keep in mind:
-- There's not a firm definition of "greater supernatural being."
-- KS often writes in generalities and not specifics, especially in descriptive (or 'fluff') text.
We do have clear examples of specific beings who are explicitly called GSBs though. For example in Dark Conversions we see the heading "A Greater Supernatural Being" for:
*pg 89, the Goqua
*pg 94, the Mindolar
Anything obviously much more powerful than either of these (I think all AIs, gods and greater demon lords would qualify) it seems like a pretty fair assumption. The gray area is probably stuff like minor demon lords, greater demons, demon regents and godlings.
Shark_Force wrote:it is often extremely unclear whether something is "fluff" text or not.
Fluff is a non-canonical concept. Even biased viewpoints from NPC diaries are still canon as to the contents of those diaries, if not necessarily the state of the world.
eliakon wrote:More importantly
The text in question was copied from BTS1
In that game greater beings were so powerful they needed a limit on how they could be brought over... ergo, the text.
This prevented them from simply popping in at whim.
And this thus explained why they were not part of the common lore, and why the nightly news didn't cover the latest monster rampage.
In Rifts? Not So Much.
RUE's 276's "Rifts Terms" definition of Supernatural Beings on 277 doesn't appear to be a blatent copy-and-paste and seems to convey some intention to have this also be the state here. Unless I'm wrong and this did appear in BTS?
"not even part of our plane of existence and must somehow link themselves to our human dimension"
..
"One way for great supernatural beings to enter our plane of existence is by sending forth lesser servants"
..
"In most cases, beings on the level of a god (including Alien Intelligences) must have thousands or even hundreds of thousands of worshipers or believers before they can materialize on that plane"
The "MOST" and "MUST" stand out to me. This appears to be the case for Vampire Intelligences and certain cases like Nxla, but it doesn't appear to be pointed out in other cases like the Splugorth or Zllyphan.
If most god-level beings (which would probably mean most gods, unless gods are a minority amongst god-level beings) needed 2000+ worshipers to materialize, it would be interesting to know which are the exception to this generalization and can materialize with fewer-to-no worshipers, as they could take a more direct hand in the events of Rifts and set up a worshiper base through inspiring acts of direct intervention.
Of course, I've been critical of RUE277 before due to Gargoyles-are-mortal-supernaturals so I don't put much confidence in that paragraph, but my problems with this entry's sweeping statements about all supernatural beings do not really come into conflict with these more specific statements about the GREAT (pretty similar-sounding to GREATER) subset of SBs.