Bionic Horses

[Nightmask]

I would say the answer on psionics from the astral is easy.
Sensitive Powers are almost always allowed as per the word "generally"
Other powers may or may not be, again as per the word "generally".
Consult your individual GM for the specific rulings for your particular game.
Seriously that's it.
The sentence is qualified with a variable (generally) meaning that there is no one hard and fast specific way to interpret it because the sentence itself has an undefined qualifier in it. As such you are literally required to have an additional source of authority provide the needed definition...and as there is no published source the only extant one is the individual game master of each individual game. Meaning that the definition of what powers can be used from the Astral Plane are up to each GM and will vary from GM to GM and likely from game to game.

It says- They can generally only affect the physical world by sensitive powers. Can and only are the source of a limit. That basically means can usually (not taking in account specifics and acceptations) only...

So it is not per the word generally that makes sensitive always affect the physical plain but the can affect the physical world with.
Note: per the previous sentence any power that does not require touch can be used but when combined with this one most would only affect other astral bodies.

You can house rule it but the book is saying that can usually only affect the material plane with sensitive powers.

Generally means usually-so we know typically non-sensitive powers should not work. Examples of these exemptions from earlier books have been brought up, that means we know they have told use cases that powers other sensitive being used by astral bodies to affect the physical plane. So it would seam to be logical from the game as a whole they will tell us when a non-sensitive power works by default canon.

The word generally seams to allow for pre-existing exemptions to still be valid. That is a level of thoughtfulness not normally seen in PB rule changes.

The word generally does not completely negate or even typically negate limiters attached to it, it just acknowledges existence of possible exceptions. But for the most part only sensitive powers should work and non-sensitive powers working are an acceptation not the rule.

No, really, trying to limit them to just sensitive powers is the house rule. Trying to claim that using any non-sensitive powers is an exception is a house rule. The actual rule simply points to sensitive powers as being most commonly used it doesn't limit usage to sensitive powers with exceptions. As written you've use of those powers that don't require a physical body to function (which includes powers that require making physical contact by touching someone), naturally given the nature of sensitive powers they'd still mostly be available while most physical wouldn't because you've no body for them to work on hence the need to look at the power to see if it meets the criteria of not requiring a physical body or making physical contact.

[Blue_Lion]

I would say the answer on psionics from the astral is easy.
Sensitive Powers are almost always allowed as per the word "generally"
Other powers may or may not be, again as per the word "generally".
Consult your individual GM for the specific rulings for your particular game.
Seriously that's it.
The sentence is qualified with a variable (generally) meaning that there is no one hard and fast specific way to interpret it because the sentence itself has an undefined qualifier in it. As such you are literally required to have an additional source of authority provide the needed definition...and as there is no published source the only extant one is the individual game master of each individual game. Meaning that the definition of what powers can be used from the Astral Plane are up to each GM and will vary from GM to GM and likely from game to game.

It says- They can generally only affect the physical world by sensitive powers. Can and only are the source of a limit. That basically means can usually (not taking in account specifics and acceptations) only...

So it is not per the word generally that makes sensitive always affect the physical plain but the can affect the physical world with.
Note: per the previous sentence any power that does not require touch can be used but when combined with this one most would only affect other astral bodies.

You can house rule it but the book is saying that can usually only affect the material plane with sensitive powers.

Generally means usually-so we know typically non-sensitive powers should not work. Examples of these exemptions from earlier books have been brought up, that means we know they have told use cases that powers other sensitive being used by astral bodies to affect the physical plane. So it would seam to be logical from the game as a whole they will tell us when a non-sensitive power works by default canon.

The word generally seams to allow for pre-existing exemptions to still be valid. That is a level of thoughtfulness not normally seen in PB rule changes.

The word generally does not completely negate or even typically negate limiters attached to it, it just acknowledges existence of possible exceptions. But for the most part only sensitive powers should work and non-sensitive powers working are an acceptation not the rule.

No, really, trying to limit them to just sensitive powers is the house rule. Trying to claim that using any non-sensitive powers is an exception is a house rule. The actual rule simply points to sensitive powers as being most commonly used it doesn't limit usage to sensitive powers with exceptions. As written you've use of those powers that don't require a physical body to function (which includes powers that require making physical contact by touching someone), naturally given the nature of sensitive powers they'd still mostly be available while most physical wouldn't because you've no body for them to work on hence the need to look at the power to see if it meets the criteria of not requiring a physical body or making physical contact.

If it was generally only or will generally only then your statement is correct.
But as the statement is can generally only that means the it is a statement of lack off ability. The word can makes it a statement about lack of ability to do so. That means this statement is not correct by rules of english.

[Nightmask]

I would say the answer on psionics from the astral is easy.
Sensitive Powers are almost always allowed as per the word "generally"
Other powers may or may not be, again as per the word "generally".
Consult your individual GM for the specific rulings for your particular game.
Seriously that's it.
The sentence is qualified with a variable (generally) meaning that there is no one hard and fast specific way to interpret it because the sentence itself has an undefined qualifier in it. As such you are literally required to have an additional source of authority provide the needed definition...and as there is no published source the only extant one is the individual game master of each individual game. Meaning that the definition of what powers can be used from the Astral Plane are up to each GM and will vary from GM to GM and likely from game to game.

It says- They can generally only affect the physical world by sensitive powers. Can and only are the source of a limit. That basically means can usually (not taking in account specifics and acceptations) only...

So it is not per the word generally that makes sensitive always affect the physical plain but the can affect the physical world with.
Note: per the previous sentence any power that does not require touch can be used but when combined with this one most would only affect other astral bodies.

You can house rule it but the book is saying that can usually only affect the material plane with sensitive powers.

Generally means usually-so we know typically non-sensitive powers should not work. Examples of these exemptions from earlier books have been brought up, that means we know they have told use cases that powers other sensitive being used by astral bodies to affect the physical plane. So it would seam to be logical from the game as a whole they will tell us when a non-sensitive power works by default canon.

The word generally seams to allow for pre-existing exemptions to still be valid. That is a level of thoughtfulness not normally seen in PB rule changes.

The word generally does not completely negate or even typically negate limiters attached to it, it just acknowledges existence of possible exceptions. But for the most part only sensitive powers should work and non-sensitive powers working are an acceptation not the rule.

No, really, trying to limit them to just sensitive powers is the house rule. Trying to claim that using any non-sensitive powers is an exception is a house rule. The actual rule simply points to sensitive powers as being most commonly used it doesn't limit usage to sensitive powers with exceptions. As written you've use of those powers that don't require a physical body to function (which includes powers that require making physical contact by touching someone), naturally given the nature of sensitive powers they'd still mostly be available while most physical wouldn't because you've no body for them to work on hence the need to look at the power to see if it meets the criteria of not requiring a physical body or making physical contact.

If it was generally only or will generally only then your statement is correct.
But as the statement is can generally only that means the it is a statement of lack off ability. The word can makes it a statement about lack of ability to do so. That means this statement is not correct by rules of english.

The rules of English don't support your claims, they never have.

[taalismn]

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The rules of English don't support your claims, they never have.

English routinely mugs other languages for content. Its credibility is suspect.

Now, can we get back to bionically uplifting Mr. Ed?

[eliakon]

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The rules of English don't support your claims, they never have.

English routinely mugs other languages for content. Its credibility is suspect.

Now, can we get back to bionically uplifting Mr. Ed?

A horse of course is a horse of course and a horse can borg of course of course because that horse is in the wonderful world of Rifts.

[Blue_Lion]

I would say the answer on psionics from the astral is easy.
Sensitive Powers are almost always allowed as per the word "generally"
Other powers may or may not be, again as per the word "generally".
Consult your individual GM for the specific rulings for your particular game.
Seriously that's it.
The sentence is qualified with a variable (generally) meaning that there is no one hard and fast specific way to interpret it because the sentence itself has an undefined qualifier in it. As such you are literally required to have an additional source of authority provide the needed definition...and as there is no published source the only extant one is the individual game master of each individual game. Meaning that the definition of what powers can be used from the Astral Plane are up to each GM and will vary from GM to GM and likely from game to game.

It says- They can generally only affect the physical world by sensitive powers. Can and only are the source of a limit. That basically means can usually (not taking in account specifics and acceptations) only...

So it is not per the word generally that makes sensitive always affect the physical plain but the can affect the physical world with.
Note: per the previous sentence any power that does not require touch can be used but when combined with this one most would only affect other astral bodies.

You can house rule it but the book is saying that can usually only affect the material plane with sensitive powers.

Generally means usually-so we know typically non-sensitive powers should not work. Examples of these exemptions from earlier books have been brought up, that means we know they have told use cases that powers other sensitive being used by astral bodies to affect the physical plane. So it would seam to be logical from the game as a whole they will tell us when a non-sensitive power works by default canon.

The word generally seams to allow for pre-existing exemptions to still be valid. That is a level of thoughtfulness not normally seen in PB rule changes.

The word generally does not completely negate or even typically negate limiters attached to it, it just acknowledges existence of possible exceptions. But for the most part only sensitive powers should work and non-sensitive powers working are an acceptation not the rule.

No, really, trying to limit them to just sensitive powers is the house rule. Trying to claim that using any non-sensitive powers is an exception is a house rule. The actual rule simply points to sensitive powers as being most commonly used it doesn't limit usage to sensitive powers with exceptions. As written you've use of those powers that don't require a physical body to function (which includes powers that require making physical contact by touching someone), naturally given the nature of sensitive powers they'd still mostly be available while most physical wouldn't because you've no body for them to work on hence the need to look at the power to see if it meets the criteria of not requiring a physical body or making physical contact.

If it was generally only or will generally only then your statement is correct.
But as the statement is can generally only that means the it is a statement of lack off ability. The word can makes it a statement about lack of ability to do so. That means this statement is not correct by rules of english.

The rules of English don't support your claims, they never have.

Awe but they do.
Can-to be able to-be permited to-
generally-in most cases, ussally- in general terms, without regards to particulars and exceptions.
only-and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively.

so that means the statement reads.

they are able to-in most cases(without reguards to particulars and exceptions)-excusively

So it literally is a statment that a is only able to affect physical world exclusively with senstive that allows for exceptions. Looking at the game we have examples of exceptions on the books that tell us they are. So it is not a house rule but the meaning of the statement. Fallowing the rules of english genreally does not negate an attached restriction but instead allows for eceptions to be made.

Only members are allowed-is a restriction to members with no allowance for exception be made.
Generally only members are allowed-that it is restricted to members but an exception can be made.

When used without a restriction it means usually.
when used with a restriction it means not counting particulars and exceptions.

Generally tom drives the red car-tom usually drives the red car.
Only tom drives the red car-tom and no one else drives the red car.
Generally only tom drives the red car-tom and no one else drives the red car but there may be exceptions.

By the rules of english a restriction with generally allows an exception while keeping the restriction.

[eliakon]

Spoiler:

It says- They can generally only affect the physical world by sensitive powers. Can and only are the source of a limit. That basically means can usually (not taking in account specifics and acceptations) only...

So it is not per the word generally that makes sensitive always affect the physical plain but the can affect the physical world with.
Note: per the previous sentence any power that does not require touch can be used but when combined with this one most would only affect other astral bodies.

You can house rule it but the book is saying that can usually only affect the material plane with sensitive powers.

Generally means usually-so we know typically non-sensitive powers should not work. Examples of these exemptions from earlier books have been brought up, that means we know they have told use cases that powers other sensitive being used by astral bodies to affect the physical plane. So it would seam to be logical from the game as a whole they will tell us when a non-sensitive power works by default canon.

The word generally seams to allow for pre-existing exemptions to still be valid. That is a level of thoughtfulness not normally seen in PB rule changes.

The word generally does not completely negate or even typically negate limiters attached to it, it just acknowledges existence of possible exceptions. But for the most part only sensitive powers should work and non-sensitive powers working are an acceptation not the rule.

No, really, trying to limit them to just sensitive powers is the house rule. Trying to claim that using any non-sensitive powers is an exception is a house rule. The actual rule simply points to sensitive powers as being most commonly used it doesn't limit usage to sensitive powers with exceptions. As written you've use of those powers that don't require a physical body to function (which includes powers that require making physical contact by touching someone), naturally given the nature of sensitive powers they'd still mostly be available while most physical wouldn't because you've no body for them to work on hence the need to look at the power to see if it meets the criteria of not requiring a physical body or making physical contact.

If it was generally only or will generally only then your statement is correct.
But as the statement is can generally only that means the it is a statement of lack off ability. The word can makes it a statement about lack of ability to do so. That means this statement is not correct by rules of english.

The rules of English don't support your claims, they never have.

Awe but they do.
Can-to be able to-be permited to-
generally-in most cases, ussally- in general terms, without regards to particulars and exceptions.
only-and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively.

so that means the statement reads.

they are able to-in most cases(without reguards to particulars and exceptions)-excusively

So it literally is a statment that a is only able to affect physical world exclusively with senstive that allows for exceptions. Looking at the game we have examples of exceptions on the books that tell us they are. So it is not a house rule but the meaning of the statement. Fallowing the rules of english genreally does not negate an attached restriction but instead allows for eceptions to be made.

Only members are allowed-is a restriction to members with no allowance for exception be made.
Generally only members are allowed-that it is restricted to members but an exception can be made.

When used without a restriction it means usually.
when used with a restriction it means not counting particulars and exceptions.

Generally tom drives the red car-tom usually drives the red car.
Only tom drives the red car-tom and no one else drives the red car.
Generally only tom drives the red car-tom and no one else drives the red car but there may be exceptions.

By the rules of english a restriction with generally allows an exception while keeping the restriction.

There you got the last word in.
Now can you please drop the totally off topic issue like several people have politely asked and let the actual subject be discussed before the thread is locked for circular argument? Besides being rude to anyone that wishes to discuss the thread. By this point it is pretty clear what the positions of each side in the dispute are, what their support and justifications are and the chances of any further back and forth circular arguments changing it are somewhere between zero and none.
Thank You

[Blue_Lion]

There you got the last word in.
Now can you please drop the totally off topic issue like several people have politely asked and let the actual subject be discussed before the thread is locked for circular argument? Besides being rude to anyone that wishes to discuss the thread. By this point it is pretty clear what the positions of each side in the dispute are, what their support and justifications are and the chances of any further back and forth circular arguments changing it are somewhere between zero and none.
Thank You

I did attempt to step out once, but others included you wanted to keep the discusstion going.
So it is what is currently being dicused in the thread. You post seams a personal attack and not anything constructive.
If the orginal topic was still being discussed that is what I would be discussing.
Is there something about bionic hourses you wish to discuss and have not mentioned in over a month.

[Mack]

Enough.