re-juicing of the Orc

[Axelmania]

I seem to remember an argument a while ago because the conversion book said that Orcs were often Juicers (some might have been mentioned in Vampire Kingdoms too, hard to remember) but then Juicer Uprising said they couldn't...

Just realized that Conversion Book Revised which came out AFTER Juicer Uprising seems to have compromised here, it says they CAN be juiced (contradicting JU) but that it often fails and messes them up, which I'm okay with, suits their psychology.

Wondering if anyone has any stories of Orc Juicers in their campaigns.

[Library Ogre]

I don't have any stories of Orc Juicers, but I tend to run juicers under the "fantasy sci-fi" rules... I like to weave as much science as possible in, while letting the core assumptions of the technology stand.

So, I figure the main obstacle to Orc Juicers is a different physiology. It may be as simple as "Orc Juicers need a bio-comp programmed for orcs, and some different drugs in different proportions", which would tend to be my assumption for a relatively non-magic race. It might be weirder and more complex (i.e. Orcs, being faerie creatures at core, have a violent and unexpected reaction to some part of the Juicer process), but I tend to avoid explanations like that, barring other evidence.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Yup old buddy
Had a orc juicer ,along with a few others before wb10 come out good times

[Nox Equites]

If they can do juicer conversions on Elves and Dwarves Orcs can't be impossible. Some types might not be viable such as Delphi since orcs cannot be psionic.

[say652]

Before Algor became mdc I was a Fan of Delphi Juicer Frost Giants.

I say House Rule.

I don't see the harm in high Sdc creatures getting Juiced.

Orcs are not really High Sdc so again I don't so the Harm.

Before they cracked down on the Juice Rules, I had an Amaki House of Juicers that retired into the House of Cyborgs.

Games are supposed to be fun, and if Playing an Orc Juicer is your fun I say Rocc On.

[Nekira Sudacne]

If they can do juicer conversions on Elves and Dwarves Orcs can't be impossible.

How do you figure that?

Orc biology could be radically different from either, or even not radically, just different enough to make it impossible.

They are fictional races. they can be as similar or different as desired

[rem1093]

You can go with the Maxi Killer. It seams that unless you are a shapeshifter or a Supernatural creature you can use this.

[say652]

You can go with the Maxi Killer. It seams that unless you are a shapeshifter or a Supernatural creature you can use this.

For The Win.

You are 100% Correct

[Nox Equites]

If they can do juicer conversions on Elves and Dwarves Orcs can't be impossible.

How do you figure that?

Orc biology could be radically different from either, or even not radically, just different enough to make it impossible.

They are fictional races. they can be as similar or different as desired

Considering that orcs are stated as being power obsessed enough to try anything for an edge, including borg conversion, you wouldn't have trouble finding test subjects.

[eliakon]

If they can do juicer conversions on Elves and Dwarves Orcs can't be impossible.

How do you figure that?

Orc biology could be radically different from either, or even not radically, just different enough to make it impossible.

They are fictional races. they can be as similar or different as desired

Considering that orcs are stated as being power obsessed enough to try anything for an edge, including borg conversion, you wouldn't have trouble finding test subjects.

True...
...but that doesn't mean that it will WORK.
The GM can allow it or not as they see fit.
But that is something that the orc wont know until they submit.
That said I can see Orcs willing to go along with all sorts of things that might grant an edge.

[Nekira Sudacne]

If they can do juicer conversions on Elves and Dwarves Orcs can't be impossible.

How do you figure that?

Orc biology could be radically different from either, or even not radically, just different enough to make it impossible.

They are fictional races. they can be as similar or different as desired

Considering that orcs are stated as being power obsessed enough to try anything for an edge, including borg conversion, you wouldn't have trouble finding test subjects.

Sure? You can try to juice an orc. Dosn't mean they'll be sucessful

[Library Ogre]

As I said earlier, one can invent any number of reasons why the juicing process won't work on an orc, but I don't see any particular reason why it would not. If they had some innate magical powers, or even a mild form of regeneration, there'd be an argument for it, but "Orcs cannot ever be juiced" is simply fiat, barring some other reason.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I wouldn't say its flatly impossible. I just am saying we don't know it is possible. Fictional races can have arbitrary rules.

Just playing devils advocate here. I would likely allow an orc juicer myself if I were GMing.

[eliakon]

As I said earlier, one can invent any number of reasons why the juicing process won't work on an orc, but I don't see any particular reason why it would not. If they had some innate magical powers, or even a mild form of regeneration, there'd be an argument for it, but "Orcs cannot ever be juiced" is simply fiat, barring some other reason.

Just to play devils advocate then...
...Arn't orc's supposed to be a debased descendant of a fairy folk or some such?
Which could mean that somewhere in there metabolism there is still enough nonsuchioum that the KoolBoost++ carrier drug that everyone uses catalyzes and you get cyanide as a side effect?

As a GM I would house rule that it would be allowed...
...but that would have to be a house rule since we don't know what it is about there metabolism that prevents it... since none of us know anything about the workings of either their imaginary metabolism or the chemical processes involved in the imaginary juicer process.

[Nightmask]

Aren't orcs one of the listed species that can be juiced? I haven't looked over the stats in the various books in a while but I seem to remember orcs being on that list.

[Library Ogre]

As I said earlier, one can invent any number of reasons why the juicing process won't work on an orc, but I don't see any particular reason why it would not. If they had some innate magical powers, or even a mild form of regeneration, there'd be an argument for it, but "Orcs cannot ever be juiced" is simply fiat, barring some other reason.

Just to play devils advocate then...
...Arn't orc's supposed to be a debased descendant of a fairy folk or some such?
Which could mean that somewhere in there metabolism there is still enough nonsuchioum that the KoolBoost++ carrier drug that everyone uses catalyzes and you get cyanide as a side effect?

As a GM I would house rule that it would be allowed...
...but that would have to be a house rule since we don't know what it is about there metabolism that prevents it... since none of us know anything about the workings of either their imaginary metabolism or the chemical processes involved in the imaginary juicer process.

As I said earlier, one can invent any number of reasons why the juicing process won't work on an orc , but "Orcs cannot ever be juiced" is simply fiat

Once again, for the people in the back.

[Axelmania]

If they can do juicer conversions on Elves and Dwarves Orcs can't be impossible.

Elves and Dwarves aren't explicitly related to faerie folk like Goblins/Hobgoblins/Kobolds/Orcs are.

You can go with the Maxi Killer. It seams that unless you are a shapeshifter or a Supernatural creature you can use this.

"So far, no variant of Juicer augmentation works on them" (JU16) implies that even this wouldn't work on Trolls/Orcs/Goblins/Giants.

It's POSSIBLE that the Splugorth hadn't gotten around to trying it out, but I find it hard to believe that Splynncryth doesn't have some Goblin/Orc slaves to spare for varied racial experimentation on the Maxi-Killer symbiote.

JUp54 does have a pretty loose "a variety of human-like D-Bees" statement, but goblins/orcs don't seem as human-like as dwarves/elves.

Then again... Kydians/Wolfen/Simvan/Hawrk don't seem closer to humans than orcs/goblins so it could be a pretty loose 'like' referring to perhaps just being humanoid?

Aren't orcs one of the listed species that can be juiced? I haven't looked over the stats in the various books in a while but I seem to remember orcs being on that list.

I'll elaborate what I mentioned in the OP.

Conversion Book p 91 "orcs have been known to embrace all manner of human augmentation, especially bionic conversions and crazies and juicer conversions"

Juicer Uprising p 15 "Orcs, Goblins and Giants: These D-Bees come primarily from the Palladium World and similar places of magic. So far, no variant of Juicer augmentation works on them."

Conversion Book Revised p 102 "Attempts at Juicer conversions are only successful 1-33% of the time."

Thus the title being 're-juicing' because CB juiced them, JU un-juiced them, CBR re-juiced, but with a compromise between CB/JU in that it only works for less than 1/3 and the failures die or become vegetables.

[Nox Equites]

As per original CB1 there is no commentary about orcs having fae ancestry. That would be goblins. One interpretation of the WB10 wording is that orcs can only be standard juicers. Poor memories and phrasing don't combine well.

[Library Ogre]

As per original CB1 there is no commentary about orcs having fae ancestry. That would be goblins. One interpretation of the WB10 wording is that orcs can only be standard juicers. Poor memories and phrasing don't combine well.

Goblins, hob-goblins, kobolds and orcs are believed to be malicious, ugly members of the faerie folk, but except for the Cobbler Goblin, these races lack any natural magic powers.

[Axelmania]

As per original CB1 there is no commentary about orcs having fae ancestry. That would be goblins.

Page 91 didn't mention this under Orcs like it did for the Goblins, but page 99 mentioned Gobs/Hobs/Kobs/Orcs all as cousins to Faerie Folk.

One interpretation of the WB10 wording is that orcs can only be standard juicers. Poor memories and phrasing don't combine well.

WB10 outright forbid it, I believe the 1/3 success rate in CBR was a compromise between that and the original CB having it be a popular OCC choice.

So basically it's popular... many Orcs become Juicers... and then 2/3 of them die soon after, but that doesn't seem to slow them down.