Damage for a Giant Sized Chain Saw Sword

[Sir_Nytehawk357]

Was wanting input for damage I was thinking of just doubling the dame for the Vibro-chainsaw Sword that is Optional For the Pit Fighter Power Armor.
What does everyone think.

[taalismn]

Or use the damage stats for the chainsaw arm off the Northern Gun Scorpion Battler; 1d6x10 MD on a fully powered slice, 4d6 MD unpowered. Of course, if you don't have a robot's nuclear powerplant powering it, so you may be limited in the amount of time your giant can handle the thing running on full rip-and -roar.

[Alrik Vas]

Chainsword comes to mind, immediately make the sign of the Aquilla.

[ShadowLogan]

Was wanting input for damage I was thinking of just doubling the dame for the Vibro-chainsaw Sword that is Optional For the Pit Fighter Power Armor.
What does everyone think.

Well the general rule in Palladium is that "giant-size" does one extra die of damage compared to the normal-size item. That is how Palladium Fantasy handles the issue, and IINM there is at least one such reference in Rifts.

[dragonfett]

Was wanting input for damage I was thinking of just doubling the dame for the Vibro-chainsaw Sword that is Optional For the Pit Fighter Power Armor.
What does everyone think.

Well the general rule in Palladium is that "giant-size" does one extra die of damage compared to the normal-size item. That is how Palladium Fantasy handles the issue, and IINM there is at least one such reference in Rifts.

At first glance that is the trend in Rifts as well. I just checked the RUE comparing the damage a normal sized Vibro Long Sword does versus a Giant Sized Vibro Sword and the increase is one die, from 2d6 MD to 3d6 MD. Of course that could also mean the increase in damage is 50%.

[Dog_O_War]

Was wanting input for damage I was thinking of just doubling the dame for the Vibro-chainsaw Sword that is Optional For the Pit Fighter Power Armor.
What does everyone think.

How big are we talking here?

[Alrik Vas]

Was wanting input for damage I was thinking of just doubling the dame for the Vibro-chainsaw Sword that is Optional For the Pit Fighter Power Armor.
What does everyone think.

Well the general rule in Palladium is that "giant-size" does one extra die of damage compared to the normal-size item. That is how Palladium Fantasy handles the issue, and IINM there is at least one such reference in Rifts.

At first glance that is the trend in Rifts as well. I just checked the RUE comparing the damage a normal sized Vibro Long Sword does versus a Giant Sized Vibro Sword and the increase is one die, from 2d6 MD to 3d6 MD. Of course that could also mean the increase in damage is 50%.

While it can be viewed that way, I'd take large size with multipliers going up a category die type. 1d4x10 becomes 1d6x10 becomes 2d4x10 becomes 2d6x10 etc.

[kaid]

There is also a power armor sized chain sword that comes standard with the thunder hound power armor in NG2. I am not sure thats giant sized enough for you but it requires power armor to use correctly so at least appropriate heavy cyborgs.titans things in the 8-10 foot range.

[kaid]

Also I would probably note that even for like a two handed chain sword wielded by something the size of the pit fighter which is not a ton bigger than the thunder hound is probably only going to do 1d or 2d more. Just look at some of the power armor vibro weapons that are much bigger than the man portable ones but the damage gain for extra size is generally only 1 or 2 d6.

[kaid]

Oh random aside number two you may want to check the vibro chain saw thing for the forrester power armor. It has one built in and I can't recall off the top of my head if it is more/less or the same as what the thunder hound has.

[Blue_Lion]

I thought PA used giant sized weapons already. Giant sized vibro swords used by borgs and pa.

[kaid]

Well the gladiator and the thunder hound while power armor are I believe both on the smaller size range. Some of the light power armor is basically man sized + a few inches depending on height of the pilot. Some like the samson and GB are like 10-11 feet tall. I think most power armor melee weapons are already basically claymore type size so two handed at best for normal human wielders so if not giant at least high end of manageable for unaugmented people.

It is also good to note though that size in general does not scale up in rifts with size of weapons the damage difference between a one handed vibro sword and a two handed power armor wielded vibro scythe is I believe 2d6.

[Alrik Vas]

Then there see weapons like what that giant robot has in Pantheons of The Megaverse. Like 20ft long, weighs something like half a ton, made by a genius...

...deals 5d6.

[kaid]

Then there see weapons like what that giant robot has in Pantheons of The Megaverse. Like 20ft long, weighs something like half a ton, made by a genius...

...deals 5d6.

Yes the damage ranges in rifts are somewhat constrained so you really don't see that much change with the size of a weapon. And honestly it does make some sense. What is doing the damage on something like a vibro chainsword would be the area of contact of the weapon on the target. A bigger weapon increases your swing range but the actual area that is inflicting damage does not appreciably change with a larger or smaller weapon. The biggest plus with a larger weapon is greater mass but with things like chain swords/vibro weapons it is the technology doing the damage and the power behind it and the mass of the weapon itself would not have that much impact on the cutting action.

[Alrik Vas]

if you drop a vibro knife blade down on an MDC surface with a slight curve to it...what happens?

If you drop a vibro great sword on the same surface, what happens?

If you drop a 500lbs vibro-blade you need a Robot PS so high to wield that the punch damage is better than the weapon itself, what does that tell us?

Drastically different versions of the same thing occur because of things like mass.

[kaid]

Actually the question is would the behavior be any different. If the vibro blade makes the blade effectively frictionless then they will all fall at the speed of gravity so basically they will drop until they can't likely by their hilt. So the the long weapon will "penetrate" deeper but the damage they are doing is basically the same its just getting pushed farther. In effect you could cut just as deep if you had a tiny dagger with the least hilt possible could potentially penetrate the farthest of all of them as it would be strictly a matter of when friction/hilts/other impediments blocked its progress.

If the vibro blade is not frictionless in practice then the larger weapon likely penetrates farther but due to larger surface area friction itself becomes a large hinderance.

All one has to do is look at how mega damage punch vs mega damage melee weapons are handled to realize in rifts physical strength when in mega damage combat does not have much of an impact on melee weapon damage at all.

[Alrik Vas]

Vibro blades can't be frictionless. If they were they wouldn't deal damage, they'd just destroy things.

In any case, the abstraction of damage is again limiting our ability to have this discussion.

However, if the book says they're frictionless, and we're going to go with that, the bigger, longer weapon would still deal much more damage. Penetration is kill, the larger the penetration area, the more damage is inflicted on an unprotected area.

[Sir_Nytehawk357]

Thanks everyone for you response's. My reason for asking is have a Robot pilot that likes the Blocker and thinks it would be awesome to wield a chain-sword with the shield.

[DenBruce]

sepaking of damage , well i bet its absolutely high damage since its a Giant sized chain saw sword , so maybe its a highly painful weapon..

[Killer Cyborg]

Was wanting input for damage I was thinking of just doubling the dame for the Vibro-chainsaw Sword that is Optional For the Pit Fighter Power Armor.
What does everyone think.

Well the general rule in Palladium is that "giant-size" does one extra die of damage compared to the normal-size item. That is how Palladium Fantasy handles the issue, and IINM there is at least one such reference in Rifts.

That's how it works with vibro-weapons as a rule as well.
A Vibro-Sword does 2d6 MD, and a Giant Vibro Sword does 3d6 MD.

[kaid]

I actually was rereading NG1 and NG2 and the pit fighters vibro blade already is a giant sized version of the chainsword the thunderhound has. It is basically the power armor claymore version of a chain sword where the thunderhound basically is using a one handed type chainsword.