munchkin creation contest.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:21 pm

Setting Aztek vs Inca pantheon war.

Create munchkin, choose side.

Rules.
Physical munchkin.10 points.
Energy munchkin. 15 points.
Magic munchkin. 25 points.
Psionic munchkin. 40 points.

-5points per magic item.
-10 pounts per rune item.

Fabled technological Munchkin. 100 points.
A Skill Munchkin. 50 points.

Killer Cyborg · Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:22 pm

Aztec Mulka.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:27 pm

Killer Cyborg wrote:Aztec Mulka.

125 point entry.

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:31 pm

The best power chars are a mix of two or three of the categories you listed.

Besides...it is the player that is the munchkin not the char. Unless there are blatant misinterpretations within the creation of the char, then it is a munchkin char. :evil:

Incriptus · Unread post by **Incriptus** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:07 pm

I've always said that Munchkin isn't simply choosing a powerful character. As choosing to play character X, the GM simply has you fight 2 character X's. No the true secret of muchkinism is you choose something that looks reasonable on the surface, only to find out later it's over powered. Often times by combining (as Drew Kitty said) things that were never intended to be combined. I did vote for Super Powers, as it's been my experience that they're the most likely to have over looked how well they combine with each other.

Other options are Race + Class combo's that weren't intended to exist
Bonus points for people who have their own house ruled equipment.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:31 pm

Yea I love super powers but!
The strongest doesn't always win.

The invincible yellow sun man could just as easily be cast into a dimensional portal as anyone else.

My choice is psionics.

So much munchkinism from the high saves to varying effects.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:58 pm

Add in that just about everything can be hurt by psionics the ability to blank and reprogram minds forcefields to flight and the incredible healing abilities all other occs lack.

Seljuk Psi Slinger Sea Inquisitor Warrior of Valhalla.
The Mighty Mind Dragon. Choosing the Inca.
75 point entry.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am

Ok Rifts, pony up. Show me ancient Dragon psi-stalker murder wraith...uh....Inca.

Where the bonus to save vs.psionics is higher than the target number.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:02 am

Alrik Vas wrote:Ok Rifts, pony up. Show me ancient Dragon psi-stalker murder wraith...uh....Inca.

Where the bonus to save vs.psionics is higher than the target number.

90 points.

13eowulf · Unread post by **13eowulf** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:36 pm

Terran (Human) Vagabond...... Using the following add-ons:
-Super Powers (CB1)
-Half Wizard
--Adding Sorcerous Proficiencies
--Adding a Familiar (Avian Biomech)
-Latent Psionics
-Sea Inquisitor
-Renegade Native American
--Totem Animal
--4 minor Fetishes
-Magic Tattoos
-Blackmarketeer

There is more if you want to take it that far.

Spoiler:

Now if you want to go full genitalia-to-the-wall Munchkin

Spoiler:

EDIT: Disclaimer: The OP called for munckin, so I came with my munchkin hat on. I would never even attempt to submit the above to a GM.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:25 pm

I am stunned. Um wow that most definitely is the munchkinist munchkin I've ever heard of.

I think we have a winner.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:28 pm

13eowulf wrote:
EDIT: Disclaimer: The OP called for munckin, so I came with my munchkin hat on. I would never even attempt to submit the above to a GM.

Good thing. Inducing either suicidal or homicidal tendencies in a GM is NOT conducive to successful long running campaigns.
"Sorry, guys. I broke the GM with my character concept. He's in the back, hunched over his campaign folders, trying to tear his eyes out."

13eowulf · Unread post by **13eowulf** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:35 pm

say652 wrote:I am stunned. Um wow that most definitely is the munchkinist munchkin I've ever heard of.

Go big or go home? :lol:

say652 wrote:I think we have a winner.

*bows*

13eowulf · Unread post by **13eowulf** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:42 pm

taalismn wrote:
13eowulf wrote:
EDIT: Disclaimer: The OP called for munckin, so I came with my munchkin hat on. I would never even attempt to submit the above to a GM.

Good thing. Inducing either suicidal or homicidal tendencies in a GM is NOT conducive to successful long running campaigns.
"Sorry, guys. I broke the GM with my character concept. He's in the back, hunched over his campaign folders, trying to tear his eyes out."

LOL, heh, yeah.
Honestly I created the above as a thought exercised. It started off adding all the individual add-ons I saw in different submitted characters (to me as a GM) to a single character.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:55 pm

I just wow.
You covered everything on the munchkin list at least twice.

13eowulf · Unread post by **13eowulf** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:00 pm

say652 wrote:I just wow.
You covered everything on the munchkin list at least twice.

You should see the full sheet. It is a 104 page document.

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:30 pm

My most munching charter for rifts is not from rifts.
Immortal martial artist from N&SS that has self rez.
LVL 15 martial artist with all but one marital art form from ninjas and super spies.
He also has the mage class from ninjas and super spies that can learn any magic he finds in written form and is a TW in rifts. In addition over a century of college so he learned nearly every skill in the book.
So he has chi, supernatural powers, magic, skills, and psionic.

Note he did not start out that way but was part of a epic campaign that the GM came up with for a deployment. The charters all grew over time and the campaign. The end of it was when the three immoral PCs saved a human nation on rifts earth from the original FOM being manipulated a group of AIs.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:40 pm

I usually pick one thing and max it out.
Strength, mdc, saves, psionics, have yet to develop a usable magic munchkin...

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:51 pm

My most munchkin character pales in comparison to most everything listed so far, though he might be a contender just based off pure awesome.

Well, if I did class breakdown correctly. Having 25exp levels is a bit silly.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:27 am

Tinker Gizmoteer Nightspawn (40 skills, 802 MDC) + four swords... cuz she's got four arms, duh. Leads a group that uses Macross 2 mecha and has an astral kingdom that was created by a group of psychics. her morphus takes half damage from lasers, heat, and fire

Spoiler:

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:38 am

say652 wrote:I usually pick one thing and max it out.
Strength, mdc, saves, psionics, have yet to develop a usable magic munchkin...

seeing as how munchkin is supposed to misinterpret rules a mage that uses my favorite, kill anything with a face spell combo.
create deck of cards (permanent)
infinite deck of cards
card daggers
52 cards to the face

make it better by doing time slip and applying a deck, still in the box, with carpet of adhesion onto the target, while drawing a face with a sharpie if needed, both non-violent or hostile actions on their own. Then cancel the time slip by activating the 52 cards to the face after reaching a safe distance to avoid your now flailing foe.

munchkin enough?

misread or rather misinterpret that all spells being magic means that card daggers must then be magic weapons and in Rifts that would make them do M.D.

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:24 am

say652

flatline · Unread post by **flatline** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:01 am

I don't even understand what half of these characters are.

--flatline

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:56 am

CyCo wrote:say652

"Say my name" the old sickly baldman growls.
"Heisenberg"

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:04 pm

Flying Snow on good rolls can get upwards of 30 attacks a melee, deals unheard of H2H damage inexcess of 500md on average and Crits on a rolled 12 or better.
Munchkin as Trizzzzuck.

Powersurge. Lightning powered munchkin with over 15,000mdc able to create over 40 copies of himself.
Very very munchkin.

But, I am only able to successfully Munchkin by reading and rereading Super powers and min maxing to the extreme.

The 104 page Vagabond, wow.

The four armed nightbane, while powerful loses munchkin points for the rune weapons.

And The Gambitesque 52 to the face. Lololololol.
Images of Gladiator being blasted threw the hull of a shiar ship filled my brain. very cool and munchkin combo.

flatline · Unread post by **flatline** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:50 pm

say652 wrote:But, I am only able to successfully Munchkin by reading and rereading Super powers and min maxing to the extreme.

Your characters are book legal?

Perhaps you can make a case study of Powersurge and show us how he was created.

--flatline

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:10 pm

Search, its all already posted.

13eowulf · Unread post by **13eowulf** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:15 pm

say652 wrote:Search, its all already posted.

There are 82 seperate threads in which you mention Powersurge, could you narrow it down some?

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:13 pm

My character for a heroes unlimited rifts crossover.
And no not a canon character.

Chronicle · Unread post by **Chronicle** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:02 pm

A full sized Vampire old rules Zentradi with 2400+ Supernatural PS.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:12 pm

O.o
2D4×10+2285 damage per hit.

75points.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:21 pm

I am rather fond of demonstrating how munchkin is a playing style not a character. One person (or games) 'Munchkin' is another games 'low end normal'....and vice versa. My Tellas game had every PC in it built as a full character and then added all the abilities of a Demigod on top of that. (Demigod dragon, Demigod Nightbane, Demigod Kildred, Demigod Zhembahk, ect......) And as my players will tell you it turned out that they had insufficient to fight their way out of the problems they were facing. Those characters were not munchkin they were barely adequate. On the flip side in one of my urban games every single character was a normal person type (Vagabonds, Urchins, City Rats, Saddle Tramps, Saloon Bums, etc) all humans or human similar races (elves, gnomes, dwarves, etc) with at most minor psi. In this game something as (usually seen as) low powered as a Headhunter with major psi would have been seen as an overpowered munchkin.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:49 am

Headhunter compared to city rat isn't munchkin. If the game calls for demigod characters, then what have you.

What's munchkin is characters and playstyles that overtly and subtly bring unintended ability. The motto of the munchkin tends to be, "Well it doesn't say you can't."

But even that can be misleading, as reason should defeat rules issues. The real problem is creation of issue where there is none, then resolving it with "reason" that has explicit benefit, usually short term, for the party in question.

A lot can fall under this. Like, people who borrow better versions of skills from other game lines, particularly physical skills. Usually the reason being is that they are from the setting where the skill version originates, but they have low to zero transition issue to their new environment, mechanically, regardless. The same is said for gear. SDC to MDC conversion has been abused to all holy hell in many games, by munchkins.

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:01 am

I got it there is a vegetable alien in AU that has the ability to turn into a copy of some one with all ration traits and skills. They turn into perfect copies of a target with no mention like the other doppelgangers in the book about not working on supernatural.

I present to you the Dop-elpoep so make one and pick a class. So what would be a good class to take. I am fond of TWs so I make a Dop-elpoep with the OCC TW he then creates resin bases and studies and exact copies of each other presented munchkin charter. He now can use his power to switch bodies to each of them and adding his powers and TW skills to the munchkin charter he is coping.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:52 pm

Alrik Vas wrote:Headhunter compared to city rat isn't munchkin.

The example was that in a game of all minor psi's trying to take major psi (for 3-4 times the psychic power of any other person) would be munchkin....it was an attempt to demonstrate that munchkin is relative. A 'weak' character can still be munchkin if they are deliberately overpowered for the setting they are in.

Alrik Vas wrote: If the game calls for demigod characters, then what have you.

What's munchkin is characters and playstyles that overtly and subtly bring unintended ability. The motto of the munchkin tends to be, "Well it doesn't say you can't."

I agree....that is why I used the example I did.

Alrik Vas wrote:But even that can be misleading, as reason should defeat rules issues. The real problem is creation of issue where there is none, then resolving it with "reason" that has explicit benefit, usually short term, for the party in question.

A lot can fall under this. Like, people who borrow better versions of skills from other game lines, particularly physical skills. Usually the reason being is that they are from the setting where the skill version originates, but they have low to zero transition issue to their new environment, mechanically, regardless. The same is said for gear. SDC to MDC conversion has been abused to all holy hell in many games, by munchkins.

Amen to this. I have become a real stickler on moving stuff between SDC/MDC worlds for this very reason.

grimmhold · Unread post by **grimmhold** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:38 pm

[quote="say652"]Flying Snow on good rolls can get upwards of 30 attacks a melee, deals unheard of H2H damage inexcess of 500md on average and Crits on a rolled 12 or better.
Munchkin as Trizzzzuck.

Who or what is "Flying Snow"?

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:00 am

Once had a Valkyrie Pilot that in combination of the Human Talents let him have 16 attacks per melee in his Valkyrie. GM also gave him 4 of the Automated Attack bits. they can fire 3x per melee the plasma spear 2x per melee. Plus the VMS carries 64 SRM's usually AP or plasma, if we use AP (Using RUE's AP rules of double damage on 18-20 and triple on a nat 20 makes this very mean) first 3 attacks of the Melee round would be doing 21D6x10 each then you would still have 2 attacks of the plasma spear at 3d6x10 and still have 11 attacks left for other mayhem such as more missles (it's ROF limits it to 9 missiles per volley and after the first three it would still have 37 missiles left to split among the 11 remaining attacks.

And yes this character actually saw play. And was only played at the GM's insistence. For some reason he was obsessed with the VMS. I had originally wanted to play a regular Veritech Pilot with the VAF-7A.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:08 am

Here's a book legal character, who at Level 1 has...

IQ 28
PS 40 (robotic level)
PP 26
Speed 220 (150mph) running (also flies at 200mph)

12 Attacks per melee

620 MDC

But the kicker is the number of skills: 64 (yes, sixty-four at level 1)

Spoiler:

Axelmania · Unread post by **Axelmania** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:41 am

Anyone ever played a Hundred Handed?

wyrmraker · Unread post by **wyrmraker** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:40 am

Chronicle wrote:A full sized Vampire old rules Zentradi with 2400+ Supernatural PS.

You sorta beat me to it. Personally, I would go with a 1st Ed unmicronized Zentraedi (PE and PS multiplied by 100) with super powers under the Mega Hero template. Gives him SNPS, +50% to SDC (which becomes MDC in Rifts). Add in the powers of Shrinking, and Channel and Redirect Energy. If feeling especially malicious, toss in Force Field powers (Create Force Field grants a maximum MDC force field of about 200,000 (PE 2000 multipied by 100)).
Roughly it means a First Level character with:
2500 SNPS (625 tons)
3000 MDC
Immunity to energy (and the ability to refire the energy out)
For extra oomph, add in a chi-heavy martial arts form (base chi is rtoughly 2000, before additions)

Would I allow it? Hell, no! Is it book legal? Technically, yes, depending on GM allowance for crossover.

guardiandashi · Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:29 am

Axelmania wrote:Anyone ever played a Hundred Handed?

played no, encountered yes and with my most "munchkinesk character"
Alecia DeVreis the hundredhanded was a minor menace (25xp) for defeating it.

Alecia was a character that started out as someone that Thought she was human, but was really a human DB. Special forces from the mercs book.
she also had the highest psionics from the random background table.
in addition I rolled well enough on the strength and PP stats that she was over stat cap for cybernetics.

the GM decided to have her have an "accident" using a plasma ejector (he had it detonate by getting hit while firing) before the game even started, and she got "rescued by Archie as an experiment" which involved him using robotic/bionic replacements to replace the blown off body parts.
she had a bionic left arm and partial left torso replacement. bionic Left eye (disguised) bionic right hand and some forearm, bionic left leg (I think) and right foot (maybe)
she also got a custom shemarrian armor/powerarmor and was assigned a Modified Monst Rex made to resemble a Wolf, or a Tiger, that had an AI with a personality profile that was essentially a copy of Alecia.
she also got a full set of shemarrian standard gear, including the railgun, and after a few adventures was assigned 2 "normal" shemarrian bots.

later adventures involved Alecia Dimension hopping repeatedly, where she commonly picked up gear and skills from other places.
known settings she ended up in: manhunter, Scrapers, Origional Battlestar Galactica, Battletech, Star Wars, Star Trek, several "world" settings the GM created, including something he called "tulip world" which was partially populated by some seriously NASTY practical joker plants.

In Tulip World there are fields of these ~6-8 foot tall Tulip looking plants, that have a rather unique defense mechanism. they do NOT appreciate people and things walking close to them so they tend to blast them with large amounts of Pollen, the problem is the Pollen they shoot is a VERY powerful Mutagenic Compound, that can trigger all kinds of random (roll D100-D1000 for effect and large number of effects and lead to subtables) mutation effects.

Known effects include: beneficial mutations, Malevolent Mutations, super power effects, Race and body type changes, etc. no one ever rolled it but I am sure it is possible to go from being a "normal human" to suddenly being a dog boy, or dragon or whatever, limb changes growing hair fur or scales etc.
I know when Alecia was around level 8 or 9 Special forces she ran into one of those mutation encounters and by the time it was all over ... she was required to change her class to Godling. and after another few sets of adventures she gained a set of "deific powers" that included enhanced psionic abilities and Magic along with a Deific Title. After words she became "Alecia DeVreis Godess of high tech warfare"

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:02 pm

guardiandashi wrote:[ ... she was required to change her class to Godling. and after another few sets of adventures she gained a set of "deific powers" that included enhanced psionic abilities and Magic along with a Deific Title. After words she became "Alecia DeVreis Godess of high tech warfare"

Good thing you didn't have an Oh My Goddess-style 'couplet' system in place, otherwise somebody would have had to have been made over into 'DemonLord of Catastrophic Battlefield Screwups".

favorite munchkin type.