Agu.. Escaped Imprisonment

[Lenwen]

Ok so as the topic states, Agu escaped being imprisoned via all the other "Great old ones" .. I know I have read it some where that Agu the embodiement of birth / rebirth was already gone or something like that when they went to imprision all the old ones (or something very similar to that) Can anyone help me find it I do not have all my books, else I'd be able to find it.

Thank you in advance.

[cosmicfish]

Are you talking about Apsu? I am not familiar with Agu.

[Svartalf]

Apsu is a Sumerian god from Pantheons of Megaverse, Agu is a Great Old One... but granted, maybe this thread would be better placed in PFRPG board (unless the requested info in Rifts material, but I have no idea about that, I thought the only free Old One was Xy/Thoth)

[The Beast]

Ok so as the topic states, Agu escaped being imprisoned via all the other "Great old ones" .. I know I have read it some where that Agu the embodiement of birth / rebirth was already gone or something like that when they went to imprision all the old ones (or something very similar to that) Can anyone help me find it I do not have all my books, else I'd be able to find it.

Thank you in advance.

One Ones or Dragons & Gods for PFRPG (possibly the main book as well), CB1 or Dark Conversions (maybe) for Rifts.

[say652]

So an old one is running around loose.
Whats the bounty on that sucker.

[Nekira Sudacne]

So an old one is running around loose.
Whats the bounty on that sucker.

I am not convinced that that is actually true and Lewen isn't just remembering something from a Game or conversation as if it were written canon. i've made that mistake on occasion!

[The Beast]

So an old one is running around loose.
Whats the bounty on that sucker.

I am not convinced that that is actually true and Lewen isn't just remembering something from a Game or conversation as if it were written canon. i've made that mistake on occasion!

No, he was asking about the embodiment part.

[Nekira Sudacne]

So an old one is running around loose.
Whats the bounty on that sucker.

I am not convinced that that is actually true and Lewen isn't just remembering something from a Game or conversation as if it were written canon. i've made that mistake on occasion!

No, he was asking about the embodiment part.

No he wasn't? it's a thread broken off from another thread where he is convinced he read somewhere that Agu was never imprisoned with the other Old Ones. He knows Agu is the embodyment of birth/rebirth already. he can't find it, and i'm not convinced it's anywhere to be found.

[say652]

Compared to a Splugorth how many times more powerful are we talking??

[Tor]

Nxla is considered a tier lower, if that helps.

Then there's that Slyph fellow, who is similarly considered lower than the GOO.

[glitterboy2098]

we're talking "it took dozens of gods and nearly all the spirits of light in the universe to seal them away, and most of them died in the process" powerful..

[Nekira Sudacne]

Nxla is considered a tier lower, if that helps.

Then there's that Slyph fellow, who is similarly considered lower than the GOO.

No, it says "According to Legend", not "He actually is", while entries for Slyph and the vampire intelligences state explictly that they ARE lesser old ones, leading me to beleive the legend is just that, a legend, and while he's clearly a top-teir alien intelligence, that dosn't mean he's actually a lesser old one.

[say652]

Totally down for this level adventure. This is actually closer to the power levels I actually play and design characters to play at.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Totally down for this level adventure. This is actually closer to the power levels I actually play and design characters to play at.

Take a look at Apsu's stats in Dragons and Gods. and remember as cosmically powerful as that is, he dosn't even reach the level of lesser old ones. Greater old ones can slaughter billions, simultaniously, in less than one melee round. the only direct battle we have even vauge mentions of mention a greater old one exterminating not only entire races to extinction, but their pantheon of gods, simultaniously, without any actual effort. they are stated to collapse universes and destory every living in them, wiping out uncountable QUADRILLIONS of beings, planets, and stars in one turn. There are not even stats for greater old ones. they are like the Lady of Pain. the only rule is "you lose. Immediately."

[Tor]

we're talking "it took dozens of gods and nearly all the spirits of light in the universe to seal them away, and most of them died in the process" powerful..

In all fairness, even imprisoning a normal intelligence isn't exactly an easy feat.

Perhaps gods just sacrificed spirits of light the way Demon Lords are currently doing, to enact deific level events with little threat to themself?

[say652]

So lets start with almost supernatural intelligence work are way up to being able to kill a splugorth then seriously take these munchkinized powerhouses and try to recapture the escaped old one.

[The Beast]

So an old one is running around loose.
Whats the bounty on that sucker.

I am not convinced that that is actually true and Lewen isn't just remembering something from a Game or conversation as if it were written canon. i've made that mistake on occasion!

No, he was asking about the embodiment part.

No he wasn't? it's a thread broken off from another thread where he is convinced he read somewhere that Agu was never imprisoned with the other Old Ones. He knows Agu is the embodyment of birth/rebirth already. he can't find it, and i'm not convinced it's anywhere to be found.

If that's the case then he's completely wrong. All the Old Ones are asleep and imprisoned.

[RiftJunkie]

we're talking "it took dozens of gods and nearly all the spirits of light in the universe to seal them away, and most of them died in the process" powerful..

I think it was Northern Hinterlands or one of the Land of the Damned books that said it was many PANTHEONS of gods (most of which were wiped out!) to fight the Old Ones. I know it sounds picky, but I think that helps get a picture of just how crazy powerful the Old Ones were.

[Tor]

If that's the case then he's completely wrong. All the Old Ones are asleep and imprisoned.

Nope, Thoth still qualifies, though I guess you could argue that his true personality 'sleeps' and is imprisoned within that bird-brain.

Even then, that's just the Great Old Ones. The not-so-great Old Ones (I think maybe called Lesser Old Ones) are of unknown quantity and could still be out there doing stuff.

[Nekira Sudacne]

If that's the case then he's completely wrong. All the Old Ones are asleep and imprisoned.

Nope, Thoth still qualifies, though I guess you could argue that his true personality 'sleeps' and is imprisoned within that bird-brain.

actually his writeup says explictly he dosen't still qualify, and that he is vastly underpowered with a fundamental nature shift that can never again become the great old one even if all his memories are returned.

[michael silverbane]

actually his writeup says explictly he dosen't still qualify, and that he is vastly underpowered with a fundamental nature shift that can never again become the great old one even if all his memories are returned.

With all of his great old one know-how back, he could come up with a way to siphon off the power of the imprisoned great old ones to become some new kind of cranky menace! waah!

[glitterboy2098]

so at best (worst?) Thoth is a fragment of an old one, with the rest of it burned up in the transformation process. (since old ones are probably more magic than matter..)

[Lenwen]

so at best (worst?) Thoth is a fragment of an old one, with the rest of it burned up in the transformation process. (since old ones are probably more magic than matter..)

Yes, This is exactly as I pictured a "splintered" life essence of one of the Greater old ones .. (And it is said, Thoth is thee most powerful god of all I believe).

I started this thread, because I am convinced some where in a book I read that the Great old one who's symbol is Birth an rebirth .. was never found to be put to sleep with the others because that great old one, was a "deviant" great old one.

Tho admittedly (again) I do not have all my books handy, hence me starting this thread to see if anyone else, can find it / has that quote .

The way I see it the "Great Old One's" were on a power level, that their "splintered" essences are many more times powerful then even "lesser" intelligence that we have stats for right now In my games I've categorized gods as follows ..

Head of Pantheon "All fathers" = Millions of MDC, hundreds of thousands of PPE / ISP / Chi (insert power type here) are capable of reality warping events in its immediate vicinity only , as well as every power all magic .. as well as just utter physical powerhouses.

Mother of Pantheon "All mothers" = Hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of MDC (everything else similar in power)

Arch Enemy god of pantheon = always at LEAST 3/4ths of the all fathers powers, all simliar power minus the reality warping.

Then we move down the the as I call them ..

Old Gods (These would be the Allfather's brothers / sister gods.. )
Always at least 25 to 50% power of All fathers power. (All fathers are immune to 75% of damage inflicted upon them by any other deity of their own religion)

Gods - These would be the direct "sons / daughters" of the All father / All mother deity themselves.

Lesser Gods (These would be the "sons" / "daughters" of .. the All father "sibling" gods..

Thoth = (in my world) Hundreds of millions MDC, Reality warping capability, Able to utilize all "Dragons an Gods" deity level powers at 1/20th cost.

[Tor]

I didn't see anything about Thoth being unable to regain his power.

Just that he would retain his memories of Thoth and we are assured that he is such a good dude that he would never turn evil.

He's just such a nice guy.

For some reason the thousands of years he has been Thoth are going to outweigh the possibly millions he spent as Xy.

Also let's never mind him possibly visiting Azlum. That couldn't cause any problems.

After all, Thoth never visits Atlantis and he isn't a particularly curious fellow, so he would never want to check out that weird Rift that Splynncryth is protecting.

Thoth is thee most powerful god of all I believe

Depends on what you mean by powerful. I would not say that of his Africa version. What does make him a contender for the position was the D+G ability he gained to copy any OCC of a follower. He could bypass the earning XP process entirely if he simply got a worshipper of an OCC he wanted. He could easily learn numerous super useful OCCS and get all kinds of bonuses and abilities this way.