Neo-Human S.Nat Transformation in SDC

[drewkitty ~..~]

Staring another topic to not clutter up the other one running right now.

A thought ocured to me "how would the Neo-Human Supernatural Transfomation power work in an SDC setting, as if a Neo-Human had been rifted to a SDC setting?". I was wondering, since there is not any canon that directly talks about this.

Please side step the issue of the power's duration. That is a debate for the other topic.

Knee jerk reaction for me would to be to ether double or triple the char's SDC and maybe give the char a Nat. AR of like 7 or 10.
Maybe some minor Regeneration effects with the added SDC.

[Glistam]

In an S.D.C. environment I would say it probably adds a natural A.R. of 10+1D4, and doubles S.D.C. in addition to the supernatural strength.

[ShadowLogan]

I'd probably treat it similar to the N&SS body hardening Exercises (also in Rifts Japan and Rifts Conversion Book 1 in terms of MDC), either as one of the powers in question OR as a basis to work out the differences.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I'd probably treat it similar to the N&SS body hardening Exercises (also in Rifts Japan and Rifts Conversion Book 1 in terms of MDC), either as one of the powers in question OR as a basis to work out the differences.

Sooo...you are saying that the Neo-Humans will automatically have the SNT on all the time? *scratches head wondering if we are on the same page about what is being talked about*

[eliakon]

No when active you get the natural armor rating and a boat load of SDC (and possibly HP).
I would, personally do this
double sdc (with a minimum of +100 sdc)
double HP
Grant an nAR equal to their PE to a maximum of 17
Energy auras, glowing blonde hair and flying rocks optional

[Tor]

Easiest solution is that the power only works in a place as magically enriched as Rifts Earth Same with Psi-Stalker MDC transformations and Mega-Juicers.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Easiest solution is that the power only works in a place as magically enriched as Rifts Earth Same with Psi-Stalker MDC transformations and Mega-Juicers.

You got text citation to back up what you said about the PS's & M-J's?

[Tor]

I meant solution as a house rule. Otherwise I think CB1 had generic notes for MDC>SDC changes.

[Svartalf]

pst stalker MDC transformation? that's a novelty from RUE?

[ShadowLogan]

I'd probably treat it similar to the N&SS body hardening Exercises (also in Rifts Japan and Rifts Conversion Book 1 in terms of MDC), either as one of the powers in question OR as a basis to work out the differences.

Sooo...you are saying that the Neo-Humans will automatically have the SNT on all the time? *scratches head wondering if we are on the same page about what is being talked about*

No it would not be on all the time.

Rifts Japan allows the body hardening exercise to transform SDC &/or HP into MDC by spending PPE, much like the Neo-Human who instead uses ISP. That is the part I would look at. If no BHE fit the feel of the NHT to drop in directly for the power, then I would look at specific examples to try and work something out for a less-direct conversion.

Chi-Gung M.D. Skin BHE results in a natural AR of 18 and at least 100 SDC (per Rifts Japan pg197). I could simply say that when the NHSNT occurs this part applies instead of what is in the book when applicable when in SDC universes. Or this replaces applicable parts of NHSNT entirely, but still must be activated in the same way to receive any of the benefits since the NHSNT is closer to "Summon Inner Strength" on steroids than actual physical training.

[Tor]

CB says to convert MDC into SDC (and to reduce it if it's really high MDC) so this sadly kinda nerfs the purely 1:1 SDC>MDC abilities to being pointless in non-MDC settings.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I'd probably treat it similar to the N&SS body hardening Exercises (also in Rifts Japan and Rifts Conversion Book 1 in terms of MDC), either as one of the powers in question OR as a basis to work out the differences.

Sooo...you are saying that the Neo-Humans will automatically have the SNT on all the time? *scratches head wondering if we are on the same page about what is being talked about*

No it would not be on all the time.

Rifts Japan allows the body hardening exercise to transform SDC &/or HP into MDC by spending PPE, much like the Neo-Human who instead uses ISP. That is the part I would look at. If no BHE fit the feel of the NHT to drop in directly for the power, then I would look at specific examples to try and work something out for a less-direct conversion.

Chi-Gung M.D. Skin BHE results in a natural AR of 18 and at least 100 SDC (per Rifts Japan pg197). I could simply say that when the NHSNT occurs this part applies instead of what is in the book when applicable when in SDC universes. Or this replaces applicable parts of NHSNT entirely, but still must be activated in the same way to receive any of the benefits since the NHSNT is closer to "Summon Inner Strength" on steroids than actual physical training.

ah you meant the RJapan body hardening stuff not the N&S body Hardening stuff. It was confusing cause all of the N&S Body hardening stuff (except for Chi-Gung) are like skills when giving the bonuses to SDC.

However, I was not asking "What is the NH SNT?".
I was asking about the specifics about how you would translate/convert the NH SNT bonuses to fit the SDC settings. As if a Neo-Human was rifted to one of the SDC settings.(OP updated to reflect this clarification of the question.)

[ShadowLogan]

@Drewkitty
Full Disclosure I don't have easy access to N&SS, and my first statement was more gut/first place I would look toward because of Rifts Japan gives them that ability to turn SDC/HP into MDC. I do not know if N&SS had anything similar that gave them an activated "armor" off hand. But comparing the two RJ and N&SS should help in that regard.

@Tor
That is correct, but some MDC <=> SDC conversions also result in an AR (ex. Armor of Ithan, PA, 'bots, etc) being assigned or dropped, so I could see the power resulting in a natural AR instead of providing bonus SDC/HP.

[Glistam]

How about don't bother with a "conversion" and just multiply their HP and SDC by 100, which is what it's literally doing in Rifts?

[drewkitty ~..~]

How about don't bother with a "conversion" and just multiply their HP and SDC by 100, which is what it's literally doing in Rifts?

That would effectively turn them into a short (RT 1st ed) zentradie.

[Daniel Stoker]

Or someone with APS Metal?


Daniel Stoker

[Tor]

I say just do nothing, sometimes it pays to be in certain dimensions. Let'm whine about it.

[Library Ogre]

I'd probably go with double, and wouldn't include an AR. In general, when not in a Rifts-level environment, being Supernatural isn't as big of a boon.